Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread albertcat
1860's underpinnings were white ** They are also traditionally red. Especially in wool. Like wool flannel petticoats or bloomers. But I've seen red bustles and hoopskirts and cage hoops. Also red silk petticoats. I've never seen a red chemise though The only black underpinning

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread penny1a
Many thanks to everyone for your responses. I had never thought about it before and a friend asked me the question. I thought I would ask those people in the know! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBo

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread Carmen Beaudry
On 1/18/2012 6:22 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: penny,? as you know, I am away from home and my referrences, but Cunnington has severel citations about underwear in general and?I think at least one I have seen re mourning.? Since (fashionable) women were just beginning to wear drawers and with t

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread Lavolta Press
On 1/18/2012 6:35 PM, hhalb94...@aol.com wrote: Women only wearing white because it was pure and they didn't want to be thought of as a floosie is, I think, a modern romantic view, not actual history. White corsets and underclothing were also status symbols to some extent--they showed the we

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread Lavolta Press
The perception that Victorian colored corsets and underclothing are risque is a modern perception promoted by books and websites that also promote the idea that corsets and underclothing are inherently erotic. I'm not disputing that underclothing might have been used for erotic purposes by s

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread hhalb94479
Women only wearing white because it was pure and they didn't want to be thought of as a floosie is, I think, a modern romantic view, not actual history. Underwear was white because the period laundry practices involved very hot water and what sense does it make to have colorful undies if you ar

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
penny,? as you know, I am away from home and my referrences, but Cunnington has severel citations about underwear in general and?I think at least one I have seen re mourning.? Since (fashionable) women were just beginning to wear drawers and with the layers of chemise, corset and corset cover, e

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread Marjorie Wilser
Highly doubtful unless she had nothing better to spend her money on. On Jan 18, 2012, at 2:24 PM, > wrote: If a woman is in mourning during the 1860s, were her underpinnings black? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.i

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread hhalb94479
1860's underpinnings were white so they could be boiled in the laundry. At the time they were not able to produce a black dye that was colorfast in cotton. So underpinnings under mourning clothing would have been white. Maggie H --Original Message-- From: Carmen Beaudry Sender: h-cos

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread Carmen Beaudry
The only black Victorian underwear I've seen, besides corsets, was made of silk, and judging by the trimming, certainly wasn't for mourning. Melusine From: "penn...@costumegallery.com" If a woman is in mourning during the 1860s, were her underpinnings black? Penny Ladnier, ___

Re: [h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread Ann Catelli
I've never read anything to that effect. Certainly by the 1870s or 80s, every thread of mourning was advertised, and I don't recall any underwear being black. Ann in CT From: "penn...@costumegallery.com" If a woman is in mourning during the 1860s, were he

[h-cost] 1860s Mourning and Underpinnings

2012-01-18 Thread penny1a
If a woman is in mourning during the 1860s, were her underpinnings black? Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook:

Re: [h-cost] ping? nothing since Jan 13

2012-01-18 Thread annbwass
Quick and dirty sewing like I haven't done in ages. Tomorrow is our square dance for the local spring festival with the theme, "Rollin' on the River." The committee folks are doing full fantasy ante-bellum outfits with hoops and ruffles, in blue and ginger, of all colors. Well, I don't have tha