Re: [h-cost] Ye olde modern art
In a message dated 7/8/2009 1:37:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, otsi...@socket.net writes: Whoever designed the game look has actually done more than gone to a Ren Faire, Yeah they watched Dangerous Beauty too. Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. --Oscar Wilde **Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221917659x1201411421/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.media plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
Besides, admit it - it was fun. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:28 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion you were stealthy!?! I should have tried that; maybe my mother and the principal wouldn't have been on a first-name basis. My mom - bless her - said that as long as my grades were good I could wear whatever I wanted within the sense of decency (although she would have kept me in the sweater sets she bought me in elementary school if she could have). Actually, we had to be uppity and strident - it was the time for it and we needed to be heard as people, not just girls. It may not have won us fans in the administration but they finally heard us. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
And late minutes - don't forget those. (number of minutes you signed back in after curfew - other restrictions if you had too many) Dinner was family style you couldn't go in until you had 8 people. Calls of we need 2 for dinner in the hallways. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of cbellfl...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:11 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie Of course!? So could we. From 2:00 to 4:00 on Sunday afternoon.? Doors open.? Feet on the floor.? Housemother wandering the halls.? And they had to sign in at the desk in the lobby.? Catherine -Original Message- From: Beth Chamberlain bcham...@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.)? ? Beth? ? ? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Placenames - was Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's
--- On Wed, 8/7/09, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Oh, the memories you guys (**that's Jersey for ya'll**) are bringing back. COMMENT Not in the Jersey where I live, it isn't.We still speak the Queen's English and also Jersey-French. I really do wish that you Americans, posting on Lists with an international readership,- would remember that if there is a New Anyplace in your US place names - then there is an original Anyplace - likely back in one of the old countries That forgetfulness/ignorance is one reason why my mail from the States sometimes takes weeks to get here, while the USPostal Service tries to find my address more than 3000 miles from where I actually live! It's also the reason why part of my sign-off is usually dwelling in 'old' Jersey. Anf you'd be surprised at the number of queries that causes, from those whose grasp of Geography History is somewhat lacking. Matthew Baker, :-) [ only half-joking] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
Besides, admit it - it was fun. The 60s were where I discovered ethnic garments and embroidery, thanks to Cost Plus and the Pier One that existed back then (not the Yuppie thing it turned into later). I got interested then, started researching, and here I am today - one of the few historical costumers who does ethnic stuff. I wore one of these to CostumeCon this year, including lots of cross stitch. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
I did props for The Devil's Disciple and needed old fashioned handcuffs. I got them from the sheriff guy who patrolled campus late at night. We got to chatting and I mentioned needing them and he said they had some I could borrow. They were so cool! I have no idea how old they really were, but at least 100 years, I'd guess, iron, with heavy locks. Probably should have been in a museum, but there they were, hanging out at the local jail. They were large, maybe meant for leg shackles--the actor just slipped his hands in to them without opening. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:21 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie Oh, the memories you guys (that's Jersey for ya'll) are bringing back. OT, but I remember getting props for Fieffer's Little Murders and signing out the reason/destination was to get a gun (I was picking up a deer rifle and blanks from the local sheriff). Can you imagine what kind of rukus that would cause today? Kate Pinner -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of cbellfl...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:11 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie Of course!? So could we. From 2:00 to 4:00 on Sunday afternoon.? Doors open.? Feet on the floor.? Housemother wandering the halls.? And they had to sign in at the desk in the lobby.? Catherine -Original Message- From: Beth Chamberlain bcham...@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.)? ? Beth? ? ? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
What happened if you didn't get 8? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:29 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie And late minutes - don't forget those. (number of minutes you signed back in after curfew - other restrictions if you had too many) Dinner was family style you couldn't go in until you had 8 people. Calls of we need 2 for dinner in the hallways. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of cbellfl...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:11 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie Of course!? So could we. From 2:00 to 4:00 on Sunday afternoon.? Doors open.? Feet on the floor.? Housemother wandering the halls.? And they had to sign in at the desk in the lobby.? Catherine -Original Message- From: Beth Chamberlain bcham...@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.)? ? Beth? ? ? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: book recommendation
I just read a great book, The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society, by Mary Ann Shaffer and Annie Barrows, set in Guernsey right after World War II. Written in the form of letters, for those of you who like that (ala 84 Charring Cross Road). When I tried Google Earth to get a glimpse, it first took me somewhere inland, I had to specify Guernsey ISLAND, instead. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:05 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Placenames - was Virginia Women's Colleges in the1960's --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Oh, the memories you guys (**that's Jersey for ya'll**) are bringing back. COMMENT Not in the Jersey where I live, it isn't.We still speak the Queen's English and also Jersey-French. I really do wish that you Americans, posting on Lists with an international readership,- would remember that if there is a New Anyplace in your US place names - then there is an original Anyplace - likely back in one of the old countries That forgetfulness/ignorance is one reason why my mail from the States sometimes takes weeks to get here, while the USPostal Service tries to find my address more than 3000 miles from where I actually live! It's also the reason why part of my sign-off is usually dwelling in 'old' Jersey. Anf you'd be surprised at the number of queries that causes, from those whose grasp of Geography History is somewhat lacking. Matthew Baker, :-) [ only half-joking] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s?
In a message dated 7/8/2009 2:52:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kay...@gmail.com writes: and Folkwear Patterns, are two prominent products of the 60s Hippie movement I love that Folkwear is in Barnardsville, NC. Alas, I'm on the coast and Barnardsville is near Asheville in the Mountains (That makes some sense. The Black Mountain School is near there too. Very big and hugely influential in the arts in the '60's) so it's about a 6 hour drive, but, still **Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221917659x1201411421/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.media plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
You to wait until enough other people showed up. (Unless there was no one else in line) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie What happened if you didn't get 8? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Placenames - was Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's
Actually, as I wrote that, I thought of you and your sign-off Kate Pinner -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 1:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Placenames - was Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Oh, the memories you guys (**that's Jersey for ya'll**) are bringing back. COMMENT Not in the Jersey where I live, it isn't.We still speak the Queen's English and also Jersey-French. I really do wish that you Americans, posting on Lists with an international readership,- would remember that if there is a New Anyplace in your US place names - then there is an original Anyplace - likely back in one of the old countries That forgetfulness/ignorance is one reason why my mail from the States sometimes takes weeks to get here, while the USPostal Service tries to find my address more than 3000 miles from where I actually live! It's also the reason why part of my sign-off is usually dwelling in 'old' Jersey. Anf you'd be surprised at the number of queries that causes, from those whose grasp of Geography History is somewhat lacking. Matthew Baker, :-) [ only half-joking] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] WWI Khaki Drill?
Andy, Have you tried contacting WWI reenactors? There have to be some out that way. Also, check out http://www.ima-usa.com/. And, have you asked Byron? Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ethnic Costume Re: 1960 hippie fashion
Very handsome it was, too. Ann in CT reading Anawalt's big ethnic costume book; it's a shame she doesn't understand western European clothing worth beans. --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com wrote: The 60s were where I discovered ethnic garments and embroidery, I got interested then, started researching, and here I am today - one of the few historical costumers who does ethnic stuff. I wore one of these to CostumeCon this year, including lots of cross stitch. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s?
I learned how to sew, period. Ann Wass **Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s?
What costume things did you learn in the 60s? Tempera paint crayon masks, cutting holes for eyes in sheets. I think I learned to crochet about then to make bridles for my Breyer horses. I was a small kid in the 60s. PS. Really enjoying stories of what the college kids were doing in the 60s. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s?
Betsey Johnson had some cute, Laura Ashley-ish patterns; I still have one! -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Käthe Barrows Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:47 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s? Back in the 1960s I discovered ethnic garments and embroidery. (Any ethnic garment that survived into the 21st Century is strongly historically based, because nowadays ethnics all over the world wear things like t-shirts.) So nowadays I use ikat from Guatemala, saree fabric from India, and mud cloth from Africa in my everyday garments, and sometimes I recreate ethnic garments. Also in the 60s I re-discovered natural fiber, especially what it's good for and what polyester isn't good for. So I can usually tell by touch, sometimes even by sight, if bargain fabric is natural fiber when I go shopping for fabric for something historical. But the best things I learned in the 60s were the fiber crafts, like macramé, weaving, and embroidery (crochet was big in the 60s but I learned it later). This shows up in many of my historical garments, as surface decoration or compulsive hand-finishing. I volunteer at a maritime historical park and often do historical nautical macramé demos there. BTW, Laurel Burch-designed stuff, and Folkwear Patterns, are two prominent products of the 60s Hippie movement (and I have photos to prove it). -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed. -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: book recommendation
Wow, I thought it was grim enough. It boggles my mind to think of people doing stuff to others, Just because they could. What about common humanity? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: book recommendation Don't assume that it presents an accurate picture of life in post-War Guernsey. It names addresses that have never existed; mis-spells Guernsey names; and to anyone who knows the Channell islands, the history of the Occupation, and of the post-War period when the islands were literally Bankrupt, it is quite obvious that the Authors know very little about the Island; and have drawn their references from a few, populist sources created by non-Residents. There are better books out there - both fiction and non-fiction - which really DO give an accurate background picture of the unique culture of the Anglo-Norman Isles. I've lived in Jersey for over 40 years now; and I married a girl who was of primary-school-age during the Occupation. I was passionately interested in what happened in the C.I. during the Occupation, - and shortly after I met her, I started collecting all the verbal histories I could from her large family, and their friends. Her parents had a Wehrmacht Major forcibly billetted on them, who commandeered the four best rooms in their 4-story house; and this left them sleeping in the attics, and living and cooking in the servants' basement - when they had food to cook, and fuel to cook it with.. Grim doesn't even begin to describe the conditions in Jersey and Guernsey during the Occupation for the Population for whom there were NO evacuation ships available in 1940; who perforce had to remain and suffer under Wehrmacht Military Rule. The Island populations were taken hostage on an huge scale. - and there was no escape possible. Een though few rabid Nazis seem to have been posted to the Islands, except to Alderney, the helplessness of the Islanders allowed the occupying troops to cmmit all kinds of petty cruelties. - simply because they could; and wpouold not be punixhed under their own CMJ. Julian Wilson, aka matthew Baker in the SCA. --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com wrote: From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: book recommendation To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 8:09 PM I just read a great book, The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society, by Mary Ann Shaffer and Annie Barrows, set in Guernsey right after World War II. Written in the form of letters, for those of you who like that (ala 84 Charring Cross Road). When I tried Google Earth to get a glimpse, it first took me somewhere inland, I had to specify Guernsey ISLAND, instead. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:05 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Placenames - was Virginia Women's Colleges in the1960's --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Oh, the memories you guys (**that's Jersey for ya'll**) are bringing back. COMMENT Not in the Jersey where I live, it isn't.We still speak the Queen's English and also Jersey-French. I really do wish that you Americans, posting on Lists with an international readership,- would remember that if there is a New Anyplace in your US place names - then there is an original Anyplace - likely back in one of the old countries That forgetfulness/ignorance is one reason why my mail from the States sometimes takes weeks to get here, while the USPostal Service tries to find my address more than 3000 miles from where I actually live! It's also the reason why part of my sign-off is usually dwelling in 'old' Jersey. Anf you'd be surprised at the number of queries that causes, from those whose grasp of Geography History is somewhat lacking. Matthew Baker, :-) [ only half-joking] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s?
I had a Barbie doll dress kit. You cut out the fabric, but instead of sewing, they had little, tiny, thin, twisty, hard to work with (can you tell I hated it) double sided tape, which you were supposed to use to put the thing together with. It never stuck correctly. I was bummed. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of annbw...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:02 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What costume things did you learn in the 60s? I learned how to sew, period. Ann Wass **Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ethnic Costume Re: 1960 hippie fashion
Thanks. If you can't dazzle 'em with your brains, baffle 'em with embroidery. Very handsome it was, too. I wore one of these to CostumeCon this year, including lots of cross stitch. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
Beth Chamberlain wrote: By the 80's we could show up for class in jeans, sweats or even pj's. I always wondered if the girls in pj's with uncombed hair would have dared to do that if there were guys in class. The Home Ec students were certainly encouraged to dress nicely for certain events but in class it was pretty much anything goes. Not at the public high school I graduated from. Uncombed hair might get overlooked, but PJ's would get you sent home. It was definitely not 'anything goes'. I can remember a number of times where students got sent home for 'inappropriate' or 'distracting' dress. Midrifs showing, dyed or bleached hair, boys with long hair, and yes, even a pajama incident. (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.) The state college I attended in the early 90's still does not allow men in the women's dorm. Period. Times change, but not everywhere. And I shudder to think that clothes I wore in high school are now considered vintage. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see?
At 12:16 AM 7/8/2009, you wrote: Pierre Sandy Pettinger wrote: Well, we just heard of an interesting-sounding fabric store, via one of our friends on another costume list - and it also applies to the current thread about 60's and 70's clothing! Which costume list? ICG-D - a Yahoo group - stands for International Costumers' Guild - Discussion, but is not limited to ICG members - all are welcome. Re Gombar's Fabrics, if they put up a website I'd be interested in buying from them that way. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costume New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com Sandy Our friend Sophia Kelly Shultz sends this information: Gombar's Fabrics is located in St. Clair, PA (home of the famous St. Clair fern fossils, for you fossil collectors out there). It is the last fabric store in Schuylkill Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
