Re: [h-cost] 1913? Yes....Plus Italian tranlation from Pinky the Brain
Hi Chiara, I agree, look very early teens,the high waist and the lacey over dress,very My Fair Lady or The Music Man type of design melody. Oh and your tag line:. Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » I had it a week ago,that's sorta the tag line from Pinky and the Brain Cartoon. English translation: Pinky : So what are we going to do today,Brain?(Professor) Brain: Same thing we always do Pinky, plan to take over the world It was one of my kids fav cartoon. My mom was Italian and my daughter leaves for Florence in 16 days,Sept 1, 2009 for a years study. That was fun,though it didn't translate exactly as said into English... --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913? To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 10:19 PM Thank look kinda similar to the dresses worn in the Movie Titanic. Browse through those photo albums and see if anything matches up. ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1913? I would look so good in this dress. http://rdwf.org.uk/doctors/images/29/hum12.jpg It's an episode of Doctor Who (series 3) set in 1913. Is there a pattern for something similar that anyone can recommend? I'm sorry, it's the best still picture of it I can find. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PhD programs in costume history
Congratulations Emma, what an exciting place to be. I would love to read your thesis. Is it available via interlibrary loan? Anyway, I know that the University of Minnesota has a program since I will probably wind up in it myself when I can get back to finishing my PhD. Good luck finding a school and don't let *anyone* pressure into starting your PhD before you're ready or you will burn-out faster than you can blink! Mind you, on the other hand, if you want to go to school now, don't wait if you don't have to. Just my two cents worth. Cheers, Danielle At 01:19 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: I just defended my Master's thesis (on metal corsets-whee!) and during my defense, my committee challanged my idea that I should wait while my husband gets his PhD. They were all of the opinion that I need to get a PhD in costume history RIGHT NOW and I need to teach. So rather than my earlier plan of taking the next several years off before continuing my education, I'm starting to look at grad schools *now,* and I'm looking at costume history rather than museum studies. I'm not convinced that this is the route I want to take, but I'm willing to look. Do you, the minds of h-cost, with experience that spans both decades and the globe, have any recommendations? Are there schools you wished you knew about when you were younger? Schools friends or relatives have attended? Programs that are the stuff of fantasy (or, alternately, the stuff of nightmares, so I know what to avoid...)? I am interested in the study of costume and/or textile history, not necessarily theatre costuming (though I'm not opposed, if there's a spectacular program). Completely at a loss of what to do, now that the thesis is done, Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913? some bases to use,maybe..
MaggiRos, Hi, here are a few numbersof patterns you could use as a base.Simplicity 4055, Butterick 6630 and 4890. The net and lace over gown/top looks like a triangle shawl shape with the front ends cut off level with the high waist, from what I see. I did not watch the show so I don't know what the total gown looks like. The Gown on the left looks a bit like it. I just googled Images, fashions 1913 and got a bunch of hits Love this era. melody --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Maggie maggi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maggie maggi...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] 1913? To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:14 PM I would look so good in this dress. http://rdwf.org.uk/doctors/images/29/hum12.jpg It's an episode of Doctor Who (series 3) set in 1913. Is there a pattern for something similar that anyone can recommend? I'm sorry, it's the best still picture of it I can find. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913? Yes....Plus Italian translation from Pinky the Brain
Heh, no, of course it would not, but to the Italians it matches exactly what they want to convey. ;) Much like Che 'ce does not translate in English to what it means for them. Basically, they are saying 'Sup, it is a shorten version of Che cosa fa - loosely ... what is going on. And then it goes a bit further as it applies to the situation and region you are in. YMMV. :D (disclaimer: This is not book learn'en but rather from immersion into Siena's culture for five months.) ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913? YesPlus Italian tranlation from Pinky the Brain Hi Chiara, I agree, look very early teens,the high waist and the lacey over dress,very My Fair Lady or The Music Man type of design melody. Oh and your tag line:. Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » I had it a week ago,that's sorta the tag line from Pinky and the Brain Cartoon. English translation: Pinky : So what are we going to do today,Brain?(Professor) Brain: Same thing we always do Pinky, plan to take over the world It was one of my kids fav cartoon. My mom was Italian and my daughter leaves for Florence in 16 days,Sept 1, 2009 for a years study. That was fun,though it didn't translate exactly as said into English... --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913? To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 10:19 PM Thank look kinda similar to the dresses worn in the Movie Titanic. Browse through those photo albums and see if anything matches up. ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1913? I would look so good in this dress. http://rdwf.org.uk/doctors/images/29/hum12.jpg It's an episode of Doctor Who (series 3) set in 1913. Is there a pattern for something similar that anyone can recommend? I'm sorry, it's the best still picture of it I can find. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Costume display in Brisbane
For those of you in Brisbane - or even in Australia, the Museum of Brisbane has a display of Queensland Fashion showing currently, and until the end of October 2009. It's called Dressing Up Brisbane and you can find more about it at: http://www.museumofbrisbane.com.au/Exhibitions/Current/Current/tabid/66/Default.aspx?ItemId=49 What's the best - its free! Some of the gowns go back to the 1870's - shortly after the State was incorporated. I'll be visiting and will write a report on it for the list. Megan McConnell Embroidery Editor BellaOnline.com E-Mail: embroid...@bellaonline.com Website: embroidery.bellaonline.com Proud Member Divine Divas of the Web Proud Member WOSIB My Personal Website When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, She's so charming. I want them to say, Be careful, I think she's armed. -G. Stoddart __ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PhD programs in costume history
In a message dated 8/16/2009 8:26:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, f...@lavoltapress.com writes: Of course, but my point is, do they teach you about _antique_ silk processing in such programs? My sister-in-law certainly got no historical education--they gave her practical information that would enable her to get a good job in a modern factory. I certainly think, since many topics are fascinating, that the student has to made a decision as to whether they are going to graduate school strictly because they enjoy learning, or because they need the degree for a job after graduation; and that the courses they take should be chosen with that goal in mind. I can't speak for all programs. We did not, unfortunately, get as much hands-on textile conservation type training as we would have liked at Maryland. We expressed our concerns, and I think the faculty was preparing to include more, when our program was closed down. As for the other knowledge needed, that is where the support areas come in. One has all the departments on campus to choose from and, in our case, we could even take courses at other institutions in the Washington, DC, area. One graduate student I know at Cornell studied machine-made lace in the late 19th century for her master's and is now studying Renaissance era lace for her Ph.D. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PhD programs in costume history
My thesis isn't available *yet.* In addition to the thesis itself, I'm looking at breaking it up into a couple of smaller papers for submissions for presentation and/or publication various places. I'll keep the list posted. Don't worry, I'm not being pushed anywhere I don't want to be, it's just not somewhere I expected to go, *yet.* Emma From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg [gilshal...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] PhD programs in costume history Congratulations Emma, what an exciting place to be. I would love to read your thesis. Is it available via interlibrary loan? Anyway, I know that the University of Minnesota has a program since I will probably wind up in it myself when I can get back to finishing my PhD. Good luck finding a school and don't let *anyone* pressure into starting your PhD before you're ready or you will burn-out faster than you can blink! Mind you, on the other hand, if you want to go to school now, don't wait if you don't have to. Just my two cents worth. Cheers, Danielle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913? some bases to use,maybe..
Here's one from Past Patterns. http://www.pastpatterns.com/8109.html These types of gowns usually have an unssen lightly boned foundation bodice that the other stuff is draped onto. A pattern like this might include such a detail. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] PhD programs in costume history
Fibers are fibers--the natural fibers haven't changed--they are still chemically the same. Fabric structures, also, are, for the most part the same--weaving, knitting (even knitting machines go back quite a way in history), netting, felting. Even though my degree is in history, I took most of the courses in a university textile arts program, as well as most of the ones in two university clothing design programs (ready-to-wear and couture, respectively). As well as having studied costume history, reproduced historic costume, and collected antique clothing for over 35 years. I even do dyeing. Although it's not the main interest of my readers, I was so interested in the material on 1820s dyeing technology that I discovered, that I inserted some of it into _The Lady's Stratagem_. I've mostly been using Procion dyes, but my interest in natural dyeing was renewed (I dropped it after I finished taking textile arts) and I started to collect more old manuals on it. So yes, Ann, I have long known that plain weave is still plain weave, that stocking frames have a venerable history, etc. And I am sure that some textile technology programs are not designed entirely or mostly to cater to the student who wants a job in a modern factory. On the other hand, some programs apparently _do_. Therefore my suggestion is merely, that the student find the program tailored to his or her interests, both in terms of what he/she studies and his/her career goals--what he/she intends to do with the degree. College is a lot of fun, and if I had my way I'd be taking a course or two all the time, all my life. As it is, I have to settle for reading--which, at least, is also one of my favorite ways to learn. (In many ways, for many subjects, I personally find self-study preferable to classes.) The fact is, a degree is time consuming, and increasingly expensive. Therefore, it's a luxury to get one that does not lead to a paying career or to take time off from a paying career to get one. Even for the enjoyment aspect: When I was taking the series of courses in pattern design, etc. for ready-to-wear, I learned a lot. I produced historically inspired designs for every project, since that was my interest. (My goal was to produce historically inspired designs I could wear every day, I wasn't doing reenactment.) However, since that was not the goal of the program, I endured constant criticism, in particular from one instructor who was entirely unsympathetic to my tastes. And vice versa. I became fed up with her constant exhortations to imitate everyone else who was commercially successful, instead of trying to do something original. Pretty soon I let those exhortations go in one ear and out the other. I stuck with the program, I gained a great deal of valuable information, and I still use it regularly. But in retrospect, if I had been going to college to major in garment design, I'd have chosen another college. The instructors in my couture program, at a different college, were more sympathetic. For someone interested in old technology, a textile arts program--which in my experience focuses on hand weaving, spinning, and various other hand-done fiber-related techniques--might be a better choice, if the degree goal is fun and personal learning rather than a paying career. I am not, by any means, saying it is wrong to get a degree merely for personal learning and enjoyment. I'm just saying that it is a luxury the student should carefully consider from a career standpoint. Fran Lavolta Press New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com And while you are correct that SOME modern dyes are different, we learned about the basics, too, like indigo. In fact, I did my dissertation on the transition from natural to synthetic dyes in the mid-19th century. I had to know and understand where natural dyes came from and how they worked as a background for the early development of synthetic dyes. Not all programs are designed solely to prepare people for the modern textile industry. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913?
I don't care what my friend, who is one of the people who puts Chicago TARDIS together, says, but I really liked that episode! Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
