Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
The whip would be the driver, or, in other words, the person whipping the horse, or handling the whip. Simple transfer of tool name to occupation. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:41 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dyed cloth from the Iron Age
At 09:12 PM 6/26/2012, you wrote: This from a bog body: http://sciencenordic.com/dyed-clothes-came-fashion-early-iron-age What I find most striking is the twilled plaid. I did a double take because I thought for sure that nobody could be wearing *houndstooth* plaid so early. The rest of the accessory finds are pretty interesting too. -Laura Actually, patterned cloth is much older than the Iron-Age. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
Whip means the Driver of the cart or carriage. The Driver carries a whip to communicate with the carriage horse (NOT to beat it) because when driving you do not have legs to guide the horse. Used correctly, the whip is used to reach the horse's side and touch him with the whip, instead of a leg. More than you asked for: In current Competition Carriage Driving, the driver is REQUIRED to carry the correct type of carriage whip and know how to properly use it. The Whip is so important that the Driving Magazine is actually called The Whip meaning the Carriage Driver and all the skills necessary to be called a Carriage Driver. FMI : http://www.americandrivingsociety.org/history.asp Susan NJ On Jun 28, 12, at 12:41 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
As support to my statement that the whip is the driver of the coach. Here is a website about an event in Newport which sounds lovely: http://www.newportmansions.org/events/a-weekend-of-coaching A quote from the text on that website: All seating is outside, with the driver, known as a whip, sitting in the slightly elevated right front seat, and the whip’s wife or female relative taking up the “box seat” on the left. Teena From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
The whip is the one driving the coach. The dress only apply if he is the host and not a hired/employed coachman. Teena From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
My guess is that it means the person driving the coach or carriage. A century earlier, during the Regency era, someone who was good at driving a horse or horses was called a notable whip. Emily On 6/27/2012 11:41 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook:http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
In a Regency context, a great whip would be a gentleman who excelled at driving horses attached to some kind of carriage. This would not be used for the man who drove coaches for a living but only for someone of means who liked to race and show off his skill. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dyed Cloth from the Iron Age
(Apologies if you get this twice, the first one didn't appear to go through) This from a bog body: http://sciencenordic.com/dyed-clothes-came-fashion-early-iron-age What I find most striking is the twilled plaid. I did a double take because I thought for sure that nobody could be wearing *houndstooth* plaid so early. The rest of the accessory finds are pretty interesting too. -Laura ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
I believe the term whip, as used here, refers to the driver who carries (and uses) an actual whip. A whip carried the whip. Depending on the context of the useage, there may be overtones of skill indicated. A man who was a poor whip wasn't very good at driving his curricle, phaeton, or other type of wheeled vehicle. The foregoing is courtesy of a misspent youth in which I read copious amounts of Georgette Heyer. A check of the online OED gives the following: whip, n. 4. a. One who wields a driving-whip; a driver of horses, a coachman. (Usually with descriptive adj. or phr. expressing skill or style.) [quotations] 1775 R. B. Sheridan, Rivals, i. i, None of the London whips of any degree of ton wear wigs now. 1836 Dickens, Pickwick Papers, (1837) xiii. 128 You're a wery good whip, and can do what you like with your horses. 1855 F. E. Smedley, Harry Coverdale's Courtship, v, The old boy is nothing of a whip. 1884 Earl of Malmesbury, Mem. Ex-Minister, I. 16 He..drove four-in-hand better than any whip between Windsor and London. Ginni Morgan penn...@costumegallery.com 6/27/12 9:41 PM I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
Isnt the whip the driver of the coach? The others sound like his friends. What a fun question! --cin On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
from context on this page http://vasportsman.com/Coaching_in_Newport.pdf, I believe that in the modern sport of Coaching, whip may refer to the main driver, usually the owner or at least the organizer of a coaching group, the one who weilds the literal whip. Coaching, as is currently quite popular in England, because of Prince Phillip's enthusiasm for it, and apparently among the East Coast upper crust here in the US. Supporting multiple, multiple-horse teams, building and maintaining carriages -- definitely a 1% avocation. chimene On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OP - Pret-a-Papier, Isabelle de Borchagrave
Emily Gilbert wrote: Those are astonishing! By the way, the fourth photo down is labeled a dress based on a 1730 design, but it looks to me more like a gentleman's banyan over a waistcoat. What do you all think? Indeed it does. Also, can 18th century experts tell me why the saque-back dress is caught up like that? I thought that style was always worn with the pleats hanging straight down to the floor. This is where we need Bjarne! I love the blue 1908 dress. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip? My Take on it..
My take on reading the script mentioned seems like it is refering to an outing perhaps like a caravan to a destination,organised by a Host. That Host would be the Whip, keeping all the guests from getting lost or seperated ,and on the right bus or touring car and any independent cars from getting lost. It is taken from Fox Hunting, The Whip originates from Fox hunting terms. The Whip(s) are members of the hunting staff who are responsible for keeping hounds in order and focused together. If hounds attemptto split off from pack or pack becomes disorganised, Whip(per-ins) redirect hounds back under the direction of the hunt leader. Whips keep partys focused and on task. As 1914 probably didn't have alot os road signs ,good roads or good drivers...someone leading the pack may have been a real necessity. My 2 cents for what its worth. Melody From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] PING PLEASE?
It is now 12.30 am (just after midnight) Friday morning. There has been nothing come in since about 9.30 AM Friday. that's 15+ hours and seems like a long time. I know it's just before SOME 4th-of-July-long-weekend events, but it seems early for EVERYbody to have disappeared? see you soon, I hope chimene ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
A correction to the the East Coast upper crust here in the US.: Many horse owners ride and drive their horses in the USA. Some folks drive one pony and others can afford to drive 4 horses pulling a large carriage, as described in the original email. Some folks drive just for fun and other compete for titles and championships. FMI: http://www.gladstonedriving.org/History/gea_whip.html SUsan On Jun 28, 12, at 10:58 PM, Patricia Dunham wrote: from context on this page http://vasportsman.com/Coaching_in_Newport.pdf, I believe that in the modern sport of Coaching, whip may refer to the main driver, usually the owner or at least the organizer of a coaching group, the one who weilds the literal whip. Coaching, as is currently quite popular in England, because of Prince Phillip's enthusiasm for it, and apparently among the East Coast upper crust here in the US. Supporting multiple, multiple-horse teams, building and maintaining carriages -- definitely a 1% avocation. chimene On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
