[h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight
I recently acquired a real treasure, a bound book of Vogue magazines from 1919. I am having a blast trying to choose which articles to use first. Its like being in a candy shop. In the magazine issues, there are advertisements for rubber garments like chin straps, corsets, etc., that are to be worn to lose weight. I gathered the chin strap was worn at night. Has anyone heard of rubber garments used in this manner? Would women have worn these items under their everyday clothing? I imagine if they did it would be rather hot during the warm months... are is that how you were supposed to lose weight. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gestational Stays
Hi Kathy, First off, let me warn you not to wear stays during your pregnancy, please...I was told by my doctor, back in the way back machine (12 years ago) that they could very easily cause miscarrage. Since breast binding wasn't an unheard of thing, it is possible that they bound, just enough for support and wore looser clothing. I'm thinking to, that quite possibly they loosened their stays as they got bigger, until the point they couldn't wear them. There is also the possibility of a less heavily boned set of stays, much like the forerunner of the jumps, I haven't come across such a thing, but it is a possibility. As it was a very different time, I am sure they must have done things we would never dream of doing when pregnant, as in tight lacing...our bodies are differently shaped as well, from not being tight laced from childhood, so they may have gotten away with things differently then we can today. Kelly just my ramblings - Original Message - From: Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume List h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Gestational Stays I'm doing a little nosing around on this subject. Another discussion offlist brought up the issue of support in the Elizabethan era during pregnancy. Is there any evidence of what women did while pregnant but not yet confined, for support? I'm sure the middle class couldn't afford a lengthy confinement, if at all. They had to do something while waiting for the end to come. I know there is a pattern from ohh.. I think late 18th early 19th c. out there, I'm wondering where they got the idea from. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight
In the magazine issues, there are advertisements for rubber garments like chin straps, corsets, etc., that are to be worn to lose weight. I gathered the chin strap was worn at night. Has anyone heard of rubber garments used in this manner? Would women have worn these items under their everyday clothing? I imagine if they did it would be rather hot during the warm months... are is that how you were supposed to lose weight. Yes. The rubber piece was supposed to induce spot reducing. when I was younger (college in the mid-80's) I had an entire plastic suit designed to be worn over exercise clothes. Jockeys and wrestlers still do this to lose weight. You can also buy neoprene sweats for various anatomy parts to spot reduce horses (mostly the throat). The weight loss is temporary, of course, as it's all water. There is also a version of chin support for women that is supposed to counter the effects of gravity. It covered the whole lower throat and lower jaw line, strapped over the head and was worn at night to prevent baggy jowls, double chins, etc. That one might actually work if a person started wearing it before the effects of gravity became visible. Sort of like moisturizer and sun screen preventing wrinkles---if you start doing it *before* you have wrinkles! :-) Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help
Not going to be terribly deatailed, as I'm by no means an expert on Chinese equipment (learning) - but I know that pirates of the time wore what looks lots like a European gambeson, but which was made of paper and (?)cotton. I also know that a type of lamellar armour was widely used in china that was made of laquered rhino hide (the particular species of rhino was made extinct by it's use - today I suppose you'd have to use leather or something similar). They also used laquered rawhide - but i forget the date on that one. (sorry - warned you I'd be a bit vague). other thing is - have you tried contacting the royal armouries museum at leeds - they have some chines armour on display, and there's a good chance they'll have lots more in the reserve collection (they do with every other department!). They've been very helpful whenever I've been to see them (I'm sure they'd be as helpful by e-mail / letter). Debbie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice
Rebecca, The terminology you use is confusing to British people, so can we clarify? Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course only if they're studying a foreign language. Do you mean that your son will study abroad *after* he gets his degree? Is he looking for a postgraduate course in literature? To many Americans, it *is* a foreign language! ;-) and at the risk of butting in--I'm not speaking for Rebecca--many students in High School and College/University choose to spend one year or half a year studying in another country. Usually it's with a list of accepted/screened education facilities and the credits apply just as if they did the year at home. Basically, it's to give them a better sense of their place in the world and exposure to other cultures that American children generally lack. On the other hand, the three students we had from other countries in my high school all said they would be repeating the year at home when they got back, but it was worth it for the experience. (fwiw, the countries were France, Brazil and Australia) Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice
Kate M Bunting wrote: Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course only if they're studying a foreign language. Kate, over here most American students never get the chance to study abroad for a year, it's usually a special program for top students with costs borne entirely by the family so very few can afford it. But the programs do tend to be more varied than just languages. I had the chance to go to Italy for Roman archaeology, or study Dickens in London while I was in college, but expenses were prohibitive. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice)
So it looks as though I'm going to be in England for a week in March, and part of it I'll be staying with a family. These are people who are interested in history, BTW, but not necessarily in clothing. What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over there or especially American? grin 0 Chris Laning | [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Davis, California ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice)
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Chris Laning wrote: What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over there or especially American? grin I have had good luck with Vermont maple syrup and local wines (I have always lived in wine regions). Anything that is native to where you live will have a cachet to it. However, one dear friend in London begs me to bring her the newest US cleaning supplies! She lived here for a few years and got used to all the fancy products, then went back to Britain and had to wait years for them to be introduced there. Same experience with disposable diapers (this was about 20 years ago.) If I were visiting her today I'd probably bring a Swiffer. I wouldn't suggest cleaning supplies as a gift for strangers, though. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice
Dawn wrote: Kate, over here most American students never get the chance to study abroad for a year, it's usually a special program for top students with costs borne entirely by the family so very few can afford it. But the programs do tend to be more varied than just languages. If the student happens to be at a University that has a Study Abroad Exchange program, the costs are the same as attending their school for that year (plus a couple hundred in extra fees, and airfare). More info can be found at http://www.isep.org/. Definitely worth checking out if you have a future student considering colleges and thinking about study abroad at some point. - Hope (whose daughter just finished a semester in South Korea and is now in Japan--wish those programs had been in place when I was going to school! Oh, costume content--she just sent me some silk from South Korea. Next Regency gown here I come...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice
We are lucky that Beloit is very internationally minded. All school related costs will remain the same and will be paid to Beloit. This means that his financial aid packet will remain the same - Thank God!! They have some sort of reciprical agreement with many schools around the world and supposedly the only extra costs will be the plane ticket and his spending money. --- Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kate M Bunting wrote: Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course only if they're studying a foreign language. Kate, over here most American students never get the chance to study abroad for a year, it's usually a special program for top students with costs borne entirely by the family so very few can afford it. But the programs do tend to be more varied than just languages. I had the chance to go to Italy for Roman archaeology, or study Dickens in London while I was in college, but expenses were prohibitive. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't find the painting. I'll have to do a little more digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather than middle class, which is where the focus of my efforts are. But.. it's a start. I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. :-) I appreciate the concern, however I personally can't event *get* pregnant anymore, so miscarriage is not a concern of mine. It is indeed a concern to the person I would be making it for, however. The Gestational stays that I am thinking of have expansion lacing in the front so as not to constrict the belly. This is something of a nosy bit of research to see how such a thing was handled at the time. Hi Kathy, First off, let me warn you not to wear stays during your pregnancy, I know from my research in Venetian dress, indeed, they wore what amounted to a muumuu type.. thing... chiton? sort of affair in the last days when nothing will fit. This is however, in the stages of full confinement when no one will see her except immediate family. Since breast binding wasn't an unheard of thing, it is possible that they bound, just enough for support and wore looser clothing. This is a logical assumption, it's a question of what happens after they outgrew their stays - did they have a soft pair of bodies? Or, is it like the pattern I have described and has expansion lacing in a say, quilt-stiffened corset? Or as you suggest, and bound? I'm thinking to, that quite possibly they loosened their stays as they got bigger, until the point they couldn't wear them. then again too, Elizabethan corsetry wasn't designed to be tightened severely. That's a Victorian convention. as in tight lacing... Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] yo-yo quilts
I meant to put in a link for the National Quilt Register, for anyone who's interested. ( Late-night brain strikes again! ) Here 'tis: http://amol.org.au/nqr/ Also, if anyone wants to read my grandmother's story, her name was Mathilde ( Tillie ) Budich, and you can find it through the 'Search the Register' page. ( Can you tell that I'm *incredibly* proud that two of my grandmother's quilts are in the Register? ) Susan, how lovely that you have something that your mom was making, that you can continue. Happy 'yo-yo'-ing! Joannah --- Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mom passed away 3 years ago. In her stash, there were yo-yos. I made them into pillow tops at Christmas and a laptop quilt for my niece. I still had pieces, as well as yo-yos left, so now I have a stash of yo-yos and yo-yos to be. I knit charity items while watching TV, and sometimes, also stitch up a few yo-yos. I have collected photos of completed yo-yo bed quilts to guide me toward my final goal. Susan Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness Carol H. On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Joannah Hansen wrote: --- Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the time, she was also making a yo-yo quilt. Mrs. Burbidge carried a bag with her full of her circles for yoyos where ever they traveled. She showed me a completed section of the quilt. On the back of each yoyo, she stitched the date and location as to where she made it. She said it was her journal of their travels. Penny E. Ladnier There must be something about yo-yo quilts - my maternal grandmother got hooked on making them, although she never dated them. Below is an excerpt from the story that my mother wrote about her for the National Quilt Register: In the 80s she watched me making a 'yo-yo' patch cover for a doll's cot and that started her on another quite enormous project. She began to make yo-yo bed covers for all the girls in the family and herself. We can be sure of 14 that she made in about 8 years. She actually wore out needles sewing all those circles! She liked the idea of using up all those small, odd shaped scraps. The Burbidges sound like lovely people, you were so lucky to know them. Joannah _ Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Well, I didn't do a whole lot of research into it, but I was in the last trimester of my pregnancy last year during Faire, and simply wore a very good supporting bra under my loose kirtle and surcoat. My character is solidly middle-class. With the kirtle/surcoat outfit, you really don't need stays or hoops underneath to achieve the right look - using a stiff facing at the bottom of the kirtle achieved the needed stick-out-ness without any petticoats or hoops (which wouldn't fit over an ever-expanding belly :-) My second outfit was based on a Flemish working-woman kirtle and front-laced overgown. This worked well, as I could let out the laces as needed, or dispense with the overgown if the day was really hot. (Same with the surcoat above). If the undergown is fitted correctly, it is supposed to support without any corsetry at all. I, however, have never been able to do this fitting on myself satisfactorily, and so again wore a bra during pregnancy, and wear reed-boned stays otherwise. I have photos, but nowhere to put them up online. I can send them to you directly if you would like - let me know. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Quoting Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't find the painting. I'll have to do a little more digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather than middle class, which is where the focus of my efforts are. But.. it's a start. I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I don't think that's the correct name for the covered in pearls painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help
The highway billboard showed Leslie Mundy smiling proudly and saying: Hi. My thanks to Genie Barrett and D (Debloughcostumes) for answering my post. I apologize for not stating up front that I have already seen the Osprey manuals. This is the (scant) bibliography that I have at my disposal: Sorry, can't give you anything else. I don't collect information on China much past the Tang, and this is a bit later than that :) Wish I could, Genie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seriously off topic - need advice
I attended York Uni and still live in the city now. I can't vouch for the Literature course - but it's a friendly place that has plenty of American students. York always scores highly in the Times best Uni lists (it's number 7 on the list below) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,8403,00.html On 25/01/06, REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are lucky that Beloit is very internationally minded. All school related costs will remain the same and will be paid to Beloit. This means that his financial aid packet will remain the same - Thank God!! They have some sort of reciprical agreement with many schools around the world and supposedly the only extra costs will be the plane ticket and his spending money. --- Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kate M Bunting wrote: Our university students normally spend a year abroad *during* their course only if they're studying a foreign language. Kate, over here most American students never get the chance to study abroad for a year, it's usually a special program for top students with costs borne entirely by the family so very few can afford it. But the programs do tend to be more varied than just languages. I had the chance to go to Italy for Roman archaeology, or study Dickens in London while I was in college, but expenses were prohibitive. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Caroline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help
Again, thanks to Debbie and Genie. Thank you for your suggestions. I will see if I can contact anyone at the Royal Armouries Museum at Leeds... However, I have to say that I'm pretty sure we're not dealing with armor, lamellar or any other formal kind. And we aren't the Japanese pirates. For the military grunts of the time there seems to be a trend for padded/quilted cotton twill protective clothing. None of the pictures in General Qi's manual shows obvious armor on the infantrymen. The manual's title is Jixiao Xinshu (also Ji Xiao Xin Shu) or New Book for Effective Discipline (1561). I still haven't been able to get the pictures scanned. Again, thank. --Leslie Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane. http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. Thanks. kate - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Quoting Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't find the painting. I'll have to do a little more digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather than middle class, which is where the focus of my efforts are. But.. it's a start. I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I don't think that's the correct name for the covered in pearls painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice)
At 22:09 25/01/2006, you wrote: I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are 2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. Karen Seamstrix Ooooh, I didn't know about those - I use the clear plastic carrier bags that come from my favourite fabric shop! Thinks - now I know someone who's visiting me with smaller ziplocs - hmmm! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help
Try contacting Glenn Kauffman at the University of Georgia. He's a textile expert for Japan and other areas. He's an instructor at UGA, and spends 6 months a year in Japan in his workshop. He'd definitely know where to send you. He loves the history of Japan and the textiles that were along the way. I had Japanese history one semester. We covere the periods and the textiles that were for that period. He'd know about the armor and the daily clothing of the Japanese. I did a report on the Anui, the indiginous peoples of Japan. They were like the Indians to the New World settlers. His name may be listed on their website under the Art department.Fabrci Design and Textile history, weaving, design and protfolio classes. - Original Message - From: Leslie Mundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historic-Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ming Period (1560-1580) Infantry Soldier Costume Help Again, thanks to Debbie and Genie. Thank you for your suggestions. I will see if I can contact anyone at the Royal Armouries Museum at Leeds... However, I have to say that I'm pretty sure we're not dealing with armor, lamellar or any other formal kind. And we aren't the Japanese pirates. For the military grunts of the time there seems to be a trend for padded/quilted cotton twill protective clothing. None of the pictures in General Qi's manual shows obvious armor on the infantrymen. The manual's title is Jixiao Xinshu (also Ji Xiao Xin Shu) or New Book for Effective Discipline (1561). I still haven't been able to get the pictures scanned. Again, thank. --Leslie Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane. http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice)
Suzi Clarke wrote: Ooooh, I didn't know about those - I use the clear plastic carrier bags that come from my favourite fabric shop! Thinks - now I know someone who's visiting me with smaller ziplocs - hmmm! those big ziplock bags: I can roll up med size sheepkskins and fit 2 or 3 in the XL! They have a handle grip molded to the top of them. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Quoting michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I have a picture of Mildred Coke, Lady Burghley, 1562-3, oil on panel. She is wearing a surcoat, what look to be black/red worked sleeves and partlet (it's a black and white image but this seems a reasonable assumption) and an unusual garment underneath. There is a girdle around her expanding middle and above that are diagonal lines of scalloped trim. Below the girdle is a plain skirt. There is also a very narrow horizontal line just below her breasts. Her sleeves reflect the scallop shape, but they are upside down and rather more ornate. Cool. Where did you find this wonderful picture? Jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Rubber garments to hide or lose weight
I cannot speak for some of the stuff in the original post but I have a couple of bits to add: When I was much younger -- well, not that much for I am still bahh, you'll never believe it -- I used to do odd things like try to keep fit. Part of that was to make arm and head holes in a dry cleaning plastic cover and wear it under my track (sweat) suit while training. I know, I know, I know, there are good reasons not to do this but, hell, it works when done right. As to hiding flab, these days I often work with those mountains of fitness called professional wrestlers. For one popular wrestler who has a second, masked and bodysuited character, I made a neoprene (wetsuit fabric) bodysuit to wear under the costume to thin him in. It works, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Hi -- The Eleonora painting was auctioned off at Sotheby's this past year. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Quoting Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. The tinyurl is the link to the same page . Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let me know) just look at that pregnant face ... http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorTole do.jpg http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 and she certainly looks pregnant to me! Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg http://tinyurl.com/css6h Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02 108.jpg http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 Maegherita of Austria http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.j pg http://tinyurl.com/8rqty The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=99961artistid=206 The Pearly Queen http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg and protrait of a woman in red http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg That last one is from 1620. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Quoting monica spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi -- The Eleonora painting was auctioned off at Sotheby's this past year. That's right! Thanks. Jerusha (busily making a note ...) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
The painting of Lady Burley can be found in Roy Strong's The English Icon-- however it is in BW. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Yes, please! I'd love to see possible Eleanor of Toledo. Thanks. kate - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays Quoting Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gah! I think that's the one that that came to mind for me as well, she is literally covered in pearls, right? I did a quick search on Lady Burghley and couldn't find the painting. I'll have to do a little more digging. She however is an example of nobility, rather than middle class, which is where the focus of my efforts are. But.. it's a start. I know that there's a portrait of Lady Burghley in a very pregnant state wearing a kirtle and surcoat. I don't think that's the correct name for the covered in pearls painting; I couldn't find it under that name either. I've found about a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Quoting monica spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The painting of Lady Burley can be found in Roy Strong's The English Icon-- however it is in BW. *chuckle* We have 30 books by Roy Strong at my university library. The English Icon is *not* one of them! Jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Rebecca, Please do. The more references we have, the happier we will be. :-) Kathy I have photos, but nowhere to put them up online. I can send them to you directly if you would like - let me know. Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Susan, That would be great! I am asking as a part of a team for a costuming competition, so having a link with several useful things on it would be grand. :-) We are planning a middle class English/Flemish loose gown. The model is planning a pregancy, so we wanted to make sure we had all the accomodation for it - it would add an interesting touch to the research. Kathy I've found about a half dozen or so paintings of pregnant women late in the SCA period -- including one that's just out of period. I can see about getting them posted somewhere if y'all are interested; one of them appears to be a pregnant Eleanor of Toledo! Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Sorry if this has already been posted, I have only briefly been skimming these emails. :-) This should be one of the paintings everyone has been discussing: http://www.tate.org.uk/magazine/issue4/pearlyqueen_image1.htm Here's another one by the same artist: (you may have to cut and paste) http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=99961workid=5136searchid=9046 I had saved a copy of the first picture to my hard drive some time ago and I thought it should still be up somewhere. I googled images under 'pearly queen'. Sheridan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic -need advice)
At 22:09 25/01/2006, you wrote: I will be traveling to England in early February and I was wondering if Our Cousins Across The Pond had the new Ziploc Big Bags? They are super-sized zip-loc bags with an reinforced integral handle (the XL are 2ft X 1.7ft). I've found them to be excellent for storing large chunks of fabric as well as keeping completed costumes clean and dust free. I was thinking that my hosts might like them, but if they are common Across The Pond then there's little point in bringing them over. Karen Seamstrix Ooooh, I didn't know about those - I use the clear plastic carrier bags that come from my favourite fabric shop! Thinks - now I know someone who's visiting me with smaller ziplocs - hmmm! Suzi Well, it looks like someone beat me to it and killed one of my surprises (sigh). I was planning to bring some of those with me ever since you mentioned Ziplock bags. I had been seeing the ads on TV and thought how neat they looked. All is well, though, since I have plenty of other surprises. Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 1/24/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
