In a message dated 9/24/2006 9:51:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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One of the major points made in Hollywood and History is
that women's costumes (particularly the female lead) tend to be heavily
influenced (if not totally based on) current fashion trends of the
In a message dated 9/24/2006 11:42:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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'Better round up the yurts 'cause the Tatars are startin' to circle'
LOL!
Ann Wass
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies
In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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The Conqueror, with John
Three movies that illustrate how movie costumes aren't about actual
history but rather modern ideas (whether those modern ideas are about
modern or historical fashion) are _Brigadoon_, _Rob Roy_, and
TFWNSNBU**. snip
Interestingly, _Brigadoon_, for all its straight out of the 1950s
women's
On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Catherine Kinsey wrote:
That is what really bugs me, when a production claims to be
historically accurate but so glaringly misses the mark. Also I have
mellowed a bit with age and at times can grudgingly forgive a
production
that does not claim to be
I have thought about this business of costumes reflecting fashion at the time
they were made before. If you look at a period film from the 40's the
costumes look 40's and so on. But now that I think about it more seriously, I
suspect is they are done that way to appeal to the majority of the
One of the sad things that came out of that movie is not the costumes. I
read somewhere that all of the lead actors -- and who knows how many of the
crew-- died of cancer. I think it was filmed in somewhere that they had
been doing nuclear testing.
Monica
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In a message dated 9/24/2006 5:32:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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most modern historicals owe more to Xena Warrior
Princess and the like than any historical research for their
costuming...
God! Xena is OK because she's a complete fantasy [for some in more ways
I find Deadwood...though beautiful...a bit over designed. Good show, however.
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In a message dated 9/24/2006 6:24:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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But it's not really worth arguing over...producers of TV and movies are
going to do what they like with costume and language...bummer, but true.
As they should, since it's
In a message dated 9/24/2006 6:40:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I have friends who love Deadwood's costumes but watch it with the sound
OFF. They don't appreciate the language, either.
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That's nuts! I don't understand being offended
In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:28:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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until being shown how even
more rediculous some real crinolines of the period were,
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For balls, but not everyday wear. Of course she IS at court.
In a message dated 9/25/2006 1:11:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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HERCULES!
Yikes! It looks like Xena! Where the hell are the Greeks??
Yeah, but gotta love them leather pants!
Ann Wass
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In a message dated 9/24/2006 9:57:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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But if you are thinking of films like Troy (which I'm convinced was
costumed
primarily from the local Indian bazaar) and Alexander (Angelina Jolie in a
one-shouldered spandex chiton--really!), I'm
Troy was not great [one of my fave designers though, Bob Ringwood. He
designed Dune. But maybe he was having a bad day on Troy] Still
there's a
consistency to the look.
The movie I love to hate the costumes in is
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Dreadful...doubly dreadful! Some lov-er-ly bustles
In a message dated 9/25/2006 10:49:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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But now that I think about it more seriously, I suspect is they are done
that way to appeal to the majority of the audience who are NOT well informed
about the clothing of other eras.
In a message dated 9/25/2006 1:56:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I thought Dangerous Liasons was one of the better costume movies -
It is yummy and delicious with chocolate sauce and a cherry!
James Acheson, the designer, always demanded to
This came through on another list I'm on and I thought there might be
someone here interested. Please contact them directly, not me.
Colleen
Jackson County Parks Recreation in Blue Springs, Missouri is seeking a
seamstress to make reproduction clothing on an as needed basis for our
recreated
At 01:01 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote:
In a message dated 9/25/2006 10:49:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But now that I think about it more seriously, I suspect is they are done
that way to appeal to the majority of the audience who are NOT well informed
about the
On Monday 25 September 2006 6:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/24/2006 9:51:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the major points made in Hollywood and History is
that women's costumes (particularly the female lead) tend to be heavily
At 20:20 25/09/2006, you wrote:
At 01:01 PM 9/25/2006, you wrote:
In a message dated 9/25/2006 10:49:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But now that I think about it more seriously, I suspect is they are done
that way to appeal to the majority of the audience who are
And exactly when did the historical Hercules live? Come on -- mythology is the
original sci-fi/fantasy!
For my addition to the horrible costuming hall of shame, I'd like to submit
several episodes of Charmed which involved traveling back in time. One of them,
I think, was called Viking
In a message dated 9/25/2006 3:49:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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When did the drive for truly historical recreation really take off?
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I'd say it starts gaining momentum in the mid 60's. [I'm thinking film
here... since that's what
In a message dated 9/25/2006 5:05:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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And exactly when did the historical Hercules live? Come on -- mythology is
the original sci-fi/fantasy!
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C'moncan't they at least make him look a LITTLE Greek? I mean, he
Genie wrote:
When did the drive for truly historical recreation really take off?
As I understand it in the music world, performers only started
trying to play as it was originally/meant to be played within the
last 20 to 25 years.
Is that also true for costume?
Suzi replied:
Not
I was privileged to see and hear some rather special early music people,
including David Munrow and Christopher Hogwood of the Early Music
Consort.)
Suzi
You got to see David Munrow? Wow. He was something. I was so sorry to hear
that he committed suicide. His recording of the medieval
IMNSHO, the entire movie was having a bad day. Llamas, for cris' sake...the
animals are native to South America, not the Mediterranean!
--sue
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I started watching the show a couple of months ago. I'm no prude but
the length and breadth of the swearing in the first episode made my
ears curl!
Still, it's growing on me, and I wondered too about the language. It
turns out that the use of modern profanity is a deliberate choice on
the part
On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/25/2006 3:49:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When did the drive for truly historical recreation really take off?
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I remember seeing a talk with designer Theodora
Hollywood and History mention this phenomenon. Hair is almost always wrong,
again most commonly upon the female lead. The reasons for this are also
similiar to the reasons given for costumes, including the insistance of the
Actors themselves.
That book also mentions somthing curious that I
In a message dated 9/25/2006 9:34:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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IMNSHO, the entire movie [Troy] was having a bad day.
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Llamas are the least of our worries. They stab Agamemnon to death on the
battle field.
Boy, Electra's gonna have a dull
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