My friend saw those costumes in person some years back. They were mostly
made of muslin and painted to look like velvets, etc. She said they were
amazing!
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One of the neatest things I remember from 1968 Romeo and Juliet was when
our teacher pointed out that there were colors for each family---Capulets
were in warm tones and Montagues in cool tones. And after Juliet marries,
she changes to the cool tones of the Montagues.
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(snip) picked up a
fresh DVD copy of Keith Michell's Six Wives of Henry
VIII from the 70s. What a joy to watch. That show was
on a limited budget, and yet everything looks (from
camera distance) perfect! I feel much better now. (snip)
My friend saw those costumes in person some years back. They
I have got to buy that set. I loved the way Henry starts out as young and
good looking and ages until he's fat and grotesque by the end of his life.
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In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:40:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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It's the same reason I enjoyed 300 (well, and the buff guys didn't
hurt, either). The clothes were more fantasy and the history mixed with
fantasy--but it felt very much like an epic tale told
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:39:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Where,
exactly, do people go on and on about the historical accuracy of costumes
or content in cinematic movies?
Often, there is hype in the pre-movie release publicity--probably gets
written up
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I will, if I can figure out how, go to
the archives and pull a list of movies that have been discussed here, but
would welcome any title suggestions that you might care to make, be they
good or
Do anyone knows where to get Buff leather for belts?
Thank you all.
Jose
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Saragrace Knauf wrote:
Okay, this may be a little off topic, but since I heard it on the Tudor Fashion special
(TFS) on showtime, maybe it isn't too bad. I heard the word Metrosexual (MS) for the
first time in my life earlier this week in reference to what I can't remember, then I
heard it
Hi Saragrace,
This is a new word, but its ben used here in Denmark a coupple of years.
It dont refer to a homosexual man, but to the up to date fashionable
gentleman, who trims and shaves, and wears the casual everyday fashionable
outfits. He maybe works at the office, or he could also be a
Whew! So it really is on topic!
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Saragrace Knauf wrote:
Okay, this may be a
Right, as others have said, it's not about sexual activity,
it's about grooming. My personal line of definition — hair
gel. :-) It can be as simple as that, and also guys who get
manicures, facials and have their eyebrows pruned shaped.
-Carol
On May 5, 2007, at 2:48 PM,
No, that's not what I'm thinking of, although it is a similar but less
exaggerated style. This is much more like it:
http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/arth214_folder/mary_of_burgundy.h
tml
I hope that comes through all right. Shorten the hennin and starch the lower
veil until it's a
As far as I can tell, the word means something along the line of being a
sophisticated clothes horse. Sexual preference has nothing to do with it.
May I express personal annoyance that people are using this term for
historic figures? Just like Hildegard of Bingen was a liberated
women--yeah,
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I heard the word Metrosexual (MS) for the first time in my life earlier this
week in reference to what I can't remember, then I heard it yesterday for
the second time on the TFS, and just now on NPR
In a message dated 5/5/2007 3:28:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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I would've said a Beau Brummel, except for the fact that dandies (despite
what we think of them today) were a movement AWAY from Foppism TOWARDS more
mnaly fashions. Go figure.
Except that the
I am not an embroiderer, and my knowledge of medeival embroidery is
skeletal -- enough to recognize situations in which it occurs, and to know
when to go to others with a question.
This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's
working with a text reference to embroidery.
WEll I say I first saw - that's where I saw the whole idea as a 'new' thing
- then thought abpout it realised I'd known people like that for years!
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I can't help you but I will be interested in what you find. My friend who
is quite good at embroidery always makes fun of mine because it looks
horrible on the back (okay, it doesn't always look great on the front side
either.) She claims it should look almost as good on the back as one the
I'll go look, but as I recall there were various widths available during
these times. I know for sure that an ell was different lengths in different
places at different times. Some widths were surprisingly wide...like 60
inches. I'll get back to you.
Sg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrosexual
this is what I found...
Sarah Paterson
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Okay, this may be a little off topic, but since I heard it on the Tudor
Fashion special (TFS) on showtime, maybe it isn't too bad. I heard the word
Metrosexual (MS) for the first
Greetings--
Saragrace Knauf wrote:
Okay, this may be a little off topic, but since I heard it on the Tudor Fashion special
(TFS) on showtime, maybe it isn't too bad. I heard the word Metrosexual (MS) for the
first time in my life earlier this week in reference to what I can't remember, then I
In a message dated 5/5/2007 5:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May I express personal annoyance that people are using this term for
historic figures?
Now there, I agree. Metrosexuals, if they really exist, are very much
creatures of their time and place.
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I heard the word Metrosexual (MS) for the first time in my life earlier
this
week in reference to what I can't remember, then I heard it yesterday for
the second time on the TFS, and just now on NPR
There's some information in the back of the
Elizabethan Patterns of Fashion (Janet Arnold)
MaggiRos
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I'll go look, but as I recall there were various
widths available during
these times. I know for sure that an ell was
different lengths in different
Found this... http://www.siegelofca.com/view_verlane.asp?id=144
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Do anyone
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's
working with a text reference to embroidery. One possible interpretation
of the reference would be that it describes embroidery that appears on
both the inside and outside of the
To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my thing -- blackwork is
later than 1400. There are more knowledgeable folks on this list than
I in that respect.
susan
There is a form called Assisi work, uses the same stitches as blackwork, but
was often worked in red, and I believe there's extant
Though not an expert, (note:I'm having a brain fog) I believe that there are
at least 4 embroidery stitches where the embroidery appears on the front and
back. blackwork/Spanish work is one. Montenegrin crosstitch. Assisi(?) and a
fourth that escapes me. (just finished mowing the lawn in humid
Assisi work is also called voided work and is not necessarily done in red
thread. Blackwork is not necessarily done with black thread. (are we
confused yet?) :)
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To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my thing -- blackwork is
later than 1400. There are more
On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto wrote:
Though not an expert, (note:I'm having a brain fog) I believe that
there are at least 4 embroidery stitches where the embroidery appears
on the front and back. blackwork/Spanish work is one. Montenegrin
crosstitch. Assisi(?) and a fourth that escapes me.
At 06:52 PM 5/5/2007, you wrote:
To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my thing -- blackwork is
later than 1400. There are more knowledgeable folks on this list than
I in that respect.
susan
There is a form called Assisi work, uses the same stitches as
blackwork, but was often worked in
At 07:10 PM 5/5/2007, you wrote:
If it helps, the description we're working with says the decoration is in
black silk around the collar of a chemise. Presumably the chemise would be
linen but it's not specified. All my friend wants to show that is that the
nature of the description points to
Although with some stitches you can't help making the back nearly as neat as
the front (classics indeed being blackwork and tent stitch, etc), I'm not
aware of any medieval embroidery being made this way on purpose.
And whether styles like blackwork or asissi work, or several others,
On Sat, 5 May 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its appearance at cuffs and collars doesn't have any real relevance to
the state of the back, as embroidery was done prior to the making up
of the garment (usually), so that the back of the work would be
unlikely to be seen.
That would certainly
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Robin Netherton wrote:
That would certainly be the case for, say, a doublet, but for the cuffs or
collars of linen chemises, which are not lined, why would the embroidery
be done in advance, or assumed not to be seen? Chemises in 16th century
paintings are often shown
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Robin Netherton wrote:
That would certainly be the case for, say, a doublet, but for the cuffs or
collars of linen chemises, which are not lined, why would the embroidery
be done in advance, or assumed not to be seen? Chemises in
Perhaps this might work for an example though it is mid 1500s
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/LadyDacre.jpg
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Like this:
http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11viewmode=1item=49.
7.32
About 135 years later than the reference I'm tracking, but shows a
Have you read this woman's article?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/medievalneedle/assisi.htm
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On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto wrote:
Perhaps this might work for an example though it is mid 1500s
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/LadyDacre.jpg
Yes! Clearly reversible and meant to be seen as such. Proves the
principle, just not the period yet...
And here I thought this list would be full of
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
NOw that I can help with. Here's a larger image that I scanned out of
Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked
http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_FairGeraldine-qewuFig239.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/2qtsgn
Aha. I have the book,
On Sat, 5 May 2007, otsisto wrote:
Have you read this woman's article?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/medievalneedle/assisi.htm
No, and I haven't done a Web search, either. Web articles won't be citable
for my friend's purposes (an academic paper). I was really hoping that
someone here who is
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
NOw that I can help with. Here's a larger image that I scanned out of
Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked
http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_FairGeraldine-qewuFig239.jpg
or
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
There are lots of examples from this period both in English and
Italian art where the collar/cuffs are embroidered with the
implication that both sides will be seen -- more can be forthcoming if
you need additional examples. I don't know what the
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One of the neatest things I remember from 1968 Romeo and Juliet was
when
our teacher pointed out that there were colors for each
*snerk*
I'd always assumed that it meant someone (gender unspecified) who was
somewhat...omnivorous in his/her tastes in partners. ;o)
--Sue, apparently pretty clueless about this one
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