[h-cost] Can you help me with this costume?now Worth Gown

2008-06-01 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 03:05 02/06/2008, you wrote:
>You could take the track of being an 1830s person doing a fancy dress
>costume, the lines of your gown could give the impression of a
>restoration era "costume."  You could add appropriate to the period
>trims to your current gown to make it look restoraion-esque.
>
>Here's an 1890s example from the MFA in Boston:
>
>it is:
>Woman's Evening Dress in 2 parts
>French, about 1895
>Maker: House of Worth
>Silk and machine-made cotton lace
>A dress in two parts, of gold colored satin, designed in the style of
>the mid-17th century
>Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
>Gift of Mrs. J. D. Cameron Bradley, 1950
>Accession number: 50.3142a
>
>
>http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=65576&coll_keywords=&coll_accession=&coll_name=dress&coll_artist=&coll_place=&coll_medium=silk&coll_culture=&coll_classification=&coll_credit=&coll_provenance=&coll_location=&coll_has_images=1&coll_on_view=&coll_sort=2&coll_sort_order=0&coll_view=0&coll_package=0&coll_start=241
>
>I have more detailed pictures of it form an exhibition but not sure I
>can find them.
>
>Katy

Please allow me a moment's brag!

I have a Worth bodice, in not brilliant condition, which is exactly 
the same as this, except for the sleeves, and the pattern on the 
fabric. The cut is identical, the fabric the same colour but with a 
large "lily" type pattern, but the sleeves were probably "balloon" 
ish in shape - the chiffon inner is rather shredded, but I have never 
been able to work out the sleeve properly. It was bought by a friend 
for the lace, which she still has, and which is identical. However 
she didn't want the bodice (!) and I was the lucky recipient!!

Suzi


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Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume?

2008-06-01 Thread Elizabeth Walpole

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From: "Katy Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> You could take the track of being an 1830s person doing a fancy dress
> costume, the lines of your gown could give the impression of a
> restoration era "costume."  You could add appropriate to the period
> trims to your current gown to make it look restoraion-esque.
>


On that topic, I saw this picture of Queen Victoria in fancy dress as a 
Restoration era lady 
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=restoration&x=12&y=13&object=400822&row=37
 
and this is the actual costume from the painting 
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=restoration&x=12&y=13&object=74860&row=36
 A 
wide lace berthe and matching lace on the sleeves would seem to be a good 
start to try to get the impression across.
Elizabeth

Elizabeth Walpole
Canberra Australia
ewalpole[at]grapevine.com.au
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Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants

2008-06-01 Thread Elizabeth Walpole
>
> The fashion plate is not actually of a nurse, but a nursemaid, and as
> such is not the same as a household servant. She ranks alongside a
> lady's maid, and although she is wearing dark clothing, was not
> expected to wear uniform.
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Occupational-Costume-England-Eleventh-Century/dp/B00166AA20/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212255187&sr=1-8
>
> This should have the information you require.
>
> Suzi

Oops, yes, sorry for the confusion I meant nurse as in nanny, not nurse in 
the modern sense of a hospital nurse. thankyou for the correction Suzi.
Elizabeth

Elizabeth Walpole
Canberra Australia
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Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume?

2008-06-01 Thread stilskin
Before doing anything, you need to work out who the audience/what the 
expectations are for this ball.

Will you be among a group of costume nazis or is it a group coming together for 
music, manners and olde time fun?

If it is a strict costume event, you will have to go to much effort but for a 
social dance, go for the basic shape and a few accessories and trim -- your 
average community group is not going to notice the fall of a sleeve, the hieght 
of a waist or the weave of a fabric just as your average cinema audience never 
noticed Edith Head's tailored sleeve heads in that Sinbad movie.

Or, as Sun Tzu said, don't panic (actually, that was Douglas Adams, Sun Tzu 
said to know your battlefield before battle, but it all runs together in the 
wash).


-C.


> > I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However,
> > I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these
> > are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if
> > anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this
> > gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English
> > late 17th Century.
> > I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to
> > period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper
> > outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time.




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Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume?

2008-06-01 Thread Katy Bishop
You could take the track of being an 1830s person doing a fancy dress
costume, the lines of your gown could give the impression of a
restoration era "costume."  You could add appropriate to the period
trims to your current gown to make it look restoraion-esque.

Here's an 1890s example from the MFA in Boston:

it is:
Woman's Evening Dress in 2 parts
French, about 1895
Maker: House of Worth
Silk and machine-made cotton lace
A dress in two parts, of gold colored satin, designed in the style of
the mid-17th century
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
Gift of Mrs. J. D. Cameron Bradley, 1950
Accession number: 50.3142a


http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=true&id=65576&coll_keywords=&coll_accession=&coll_name=dress&coll_artist=&coll_place=&coll_medium=silk&coll_culture=&coll_classification=&coll_credit=&coll_provenance=&coll_location=&coll_has_images=1&coll_on_view=&coll_sort=2&coll_sort_order=0&coll_view=0&coll_package=0&coll_start=241

I have more detailed pictures of it form an exhibition but not sure I
can find them.

Katy

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Aylwen Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However,
> I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these
> are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if
> anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this
> gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English
> late 17th Century.
> I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to
> period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper
> outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time.
> The picture of my gown is at
> http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v252/251/81/59547/n59547_417939_7562.jpg
>
> Many thanks,
> Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] Banyan

2008-06-01 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 6/1/2008 2:36:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Besides  embroidering a cap would be fun, but as i am 
only going to use this once,  i wouldnt make two much of it.



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Re: [h-cost] Can you help me with this costume?

2008-06-01 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Saturday 31 May 2008 9:10:53 pm Aylwen Garden wrote:
> I am attending a Restoration Ball and do not have a costume. However,
> I do have one I made a few weeks ago, an 1830 daydress. I know these
> are completely different eras, but I'm desperate. I was wondering if
> anyone thought I might be able to add something/do something to this
> gown (without ruining it) to make it wearable for this ball, English
> late 17th Century.
> I am not looking for historical accuracy, just to look close to
> period, so it is truly 'dress-up'. One day I will make the proper
> outfit, I do have a pattern, but right now I do not have the time.
> The picture of my gown is at
> http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v252/251/81/59547/n5
>9547_417939_7562.jpg

It seems to me that if you want something that's even remotely close to period 
for 17th Century, the pattern of the fabric are simply wrong, as is the drape 
of the bodice.  On the other hand, the sleeves aren't too far from 17th c 
Dutch, particularly if you wear a white fichu and a chemise with lace-trimmed 
sleeves, so that the lace hangs down, or if you tack suitable lace to the 
ends.  Take a look at the pictures on this page and see what *you* think:


http://www.kipar.org/baroque-costumes/costumes_vermeer_dress.html


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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Frank A Thallas Jr
  Pretty, but definitely NOT Tudor.  My first (semi-educated) impression was
Dutch- Rubens, Rembrandt, etc portraiture
   She looks familiar.  Maybe someone here "knows" her- will be interesting
to see!

Liadain

THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO
wildernesse, the Outlands 
http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies

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Behalf Of otsisto
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:48 AM
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You are right that is not Anne Boleyn.
smaller url so others don't have to cut and paste.
http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4

It could also be Spanish

-Original Message-

I have this bad habit of finding portraits that I like on the web and then
forgetting where I saw them.  Can someone help me with this one?

The person selling it on e-bay labeled it as Anne Boleyn, but not possible.
I think it may be Austrian, but who is it and from where?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOLL-HOUSE-TUDOR-PICTURE-Anne-Boleyn-ELABORATE-FRAME_W
0QQitemZ190226350668QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112548QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem

Regina


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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Frank A Thallas Jr
  Huh!  Kewl!  Is there a place to see the "original"?
 

Liadain again,
Who should read ALL the mail before "speaking".  
- Original Message - 
From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4


Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it 
could just be posthumous.

...and, it looks like that may be the case.  It's attributed to Marcus 
Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait.  Since he 
painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it.

-E House

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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 01 June 2008 4:47:50 am otsisto wrote:
> You are right that is not Anne Boleyn.
> smaller url so others don't have to cut and paste.
> http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4
>
> It could also be Spanish

I'll third that.  Anne Boleyn was executed in 1536--decades before ruffs 
became fashionable wear.


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Re: [h-cost] Banyan

2008-06-01 Thread Leif og Bjarne Drews
Hi,
Yes i was considering one of these you mention, but i thoght this one was a 
little humouristic two. Besides embroidering a cap would be fun, but as i am 
only going to use this once, i wouldnt make two much of it.
I am using it in September at the aniversary of Gustavs Skål. We are going 
to be gathered a whole weekend, with breakfast two, and this is where i am 
going to use it.

Bjarne
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Banyan


>
> In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:57:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm
>
>
>
> 
>
> Just lovely, as usual.
>
> I hope you will also make one of those caps whose pattern looks like 4
> shapes that resemble and irona sort of pointed arch shape. You sew 
> them
> together and cover the point at the top with a tassel, then turn the 
> bottom up  like
> a cuff. You can wear that with your banyan open and flowing, your shirt 
> and
> breeches showing underneath.
>
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants

2008-06-01 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 18:58 01/06/2008, you wrote:
>Don't nurses wear veils in the UK? I remember from several movies...
>Monica
Nurses don't wear actual veils, but caps, some of which are very, 
very elaborate. St. Thomas's "sisters" used to wear a cap called a 
Nightingale, which was a nightmare to fold and starch. Some Matrons 
seem to have worn veil-like headdresses, and used to march along 
corridors like ships in full sail.

Nuns still wear veils here, but fairly simple, going by the nuns from 
the place just off Oxford Street, In London's West End.

Suzi


>In a message dated 5/31/2008 10:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>I think  nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol,  though.
>
>
>
>
>I wonder how nun's veils play into this. Sisters of mercy, y'know. Many
>nuns
>were nurses y'know, from the beginning.
>
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants

2008-06-01 Thread monica spence
Don't nurses wear veils in the UK? I remember from several movies...
Monica

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In a message dated 5/31/2008 10:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think  nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol,  though.




I wonder how nun's veils play into this. Sisters of mercy, y'know. Many
nuns
were nurses y'know, from the beginning.



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Re: [h-cost] Banyan

2008-06-01 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 6/1/2008 4:57:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm




 
Just lovely, as usual.
 
I hope you will also make one of those caps whose pattern looks like 4  
shapes that resemble and irona sort of pointed arch shape. You sew them  
together and cover the point at the top with a tassel, then turn the bottom up  
like 
a cuff. You can wear that with your banyan open and flowing, your shirt and  
breeches showing underneath.



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Re: [h-cost] 1830s-40s Servants

2008-06-01 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 5/31/2008 10:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think  nurse's caps were more of a professional symbol,  though.



 
I wonder how nun's veils play into this. Sisters of mercy, y'know. Many  nuns 
were nurses y'know, from the beginning.



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Re: [h-cost] Banyan

2008-06-01 Thread Joan Jurancich
At 01:57 AM 6/1/2008, you wrote:
>I have finished my Banyan. For those  who would like to see it, its here:
>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm
>
>Bjarne

Bjarne,
As usual, it's very handsome.  And looks to be comfortable, too.

Joan Jurancich
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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Susan Farmer
Quoting michaela de bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

*snip*

>
> http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/p/pourbus/frans_y/portlady.html
> Here's why, it was an inscription added much much later.
>

Cool!  Did not know that.  wga.hu must have done an update since the  
last time I looked at Pourbus.  :-)

Thanks!

Susan
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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Susan Farmer
Quoting michaela de bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>>  > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4
>
>>  Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it
>>  could just be posthumous.
>>
>>  ...and, it looks like that may be the case.  It's attributed to Marcus
>>  Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait.  Since he
>>  painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it.
>
>
> Where did you see the attribution?  Just curious as I didn't see it on
> the auction.
>
> It's definitely not Anne, she's wearing distinctly post 1600 Spanish
> dress so is from the Spanish or Austrian Court.

I've seen it attributed to Pourbus rather than Gheeraerts.  Wikipedia  
claims Gheeraerts -- all other sources including this entry cite  
Pourbus.
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Anne+Boleyn  With her eyes, it also  
looks like the work of Sofonisba Anguissola; but I leave the  
attribution to the folks that know.


As to it can't be Anne, I disagree.  It's attributed as a posthumous  
painting -- as the above posted indicated possibly at the behest of  
Elizabeth, her daughter, who might have requested those clothes.

Susan
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[h-cost] Fwd: Forbes' legacy lives in Carlisle

2008-06-01 Thread Ruth Anne Baumgartner
Is anyone on the list involved in this? It's my alma mater. My 40th  
reunion is the following week, so I doubt I'll get down there to see  
the encampment.
--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
scholar gypsy and amateur costumer

Begin forwarded message:

>
> If you want to go to Dickinson a weekend early, this is what you  
> will find at the college.
>
>
>
> http://postgazette.com/pg/08153/885925-37.stm

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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread michaela de bruce
> No, that wasn't in the auction description--it's the result of Google
>  searching.  Not saying that it's definitely true; just that the only places
>  I found that attributed the image to anyone said Gheeraerts.

http://www.marileecody.com/sixwivesimages.html
At the bottom it is listed as being by Frans Pourbus :) And it is much
more in his style- Pantoja, Coello and Pourbus at one stage get very
close to each other in some portraits. Coello tends to be more rigid
and restrained while Pourbus much softer and Pantoja generally is
between. But I'm really not sure why it is said to be Anne.

http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/p/pourbus/frans_y/portlady.html
Here's why, it was an inscription added much much later.

I keep thinking all the Italian ladies wore their ruffs open in this
style, many did but some were as close to Spanish in their style as
they could get.
That cross really suggests Spanish though, her hair however is not
piled very high which is also ...


I adore c1600 Spanish and Italian gowns and am definitely making
something in the style soon.
http://pintura.aut.org/SearchProducto?Produnum=41533
Something like this.

Darnit This thread has seriously derailed my current thoughts
where were in armour and modern costume mode. And I seriously need to
redo links all over the show as Gabrius has departed. But now I have a
whole lot of new links to replace them with :D

Regards,
Michaela de Bruce
http://glittersweet.com
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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Exstock
No, that wasn't in the auction description--it's the result of Google 
searching.  Not saying that it's definitely true; just that the only places 
I found that attributed the image to anyone said Gheeraerts.

-E House

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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread michaela de bruce
>  > http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4

>  Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it
>  could just be posthumous.
>
>  ...and, it looks like that may be the case.  It's attributed to Marcus
>  Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait.  Since he
>  painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it.


Where did you see the attribution?  Just curious as I didn't see it on
the auction.

It's definitely not Anne, she's wearing distinctly post 1600 Spanish
dress so is from the Spanish or Austrian Court.

I'm not sure if I came across this particular portrait on an auction
site or Bildindex. My files are huge and haven't been orderd from
across three HDDs so I'm not sure where I have that one either. I
think it was bildindex but I cannot access the site right now.
http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/late.htm
But the style is definitely in line with those images I collected a while back.

She is very much in the style of Pantoja de la Cruz:
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/cruz_juan_pantoja_de_la.html
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/p/pantoja/index.html
http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11.516

The softness and roundness of the way her features have been painted
as well as the style of dress.

Michaela de Bruce
http://glittersweet.com
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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Exstock
- Original Message - 
From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4


Well, to be fair, there's some small possibility it is a portrait of AB; it 
could just be posthumous.

...and, it looks like that may be the case.  It's attributed to Marcus 
Gheeraerts the younger, as a posthumous romanticized portrait.  Since he 
painted for QE once or twice, she may well have asked for it.

-E House

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[h-cost] Banyan

2008-06-01 Thread Leif og Bjarne Drews
I have finished my Banyan. For those  who would like to see it, its here:
http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Banyan.htm

Bjarne
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Re: [h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread otsisto
You are right that is not Anne Boleyn.
smaller url so others don't have to cut and paste.
http://tinyurl.com/5gvnl4

It could also be Spanish

-Original Message-

I have this bad habit of finding portraits that I like on the web and then
forgetting where I saw them.  Can someone help me with this one?

The person selling it on e-bay labeled it as Anne Boleyn, but not possible.
I think it may be Austrian, but who is it and from where?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOLL-HOUSE-TUDOR-PICTURE-Anne-Boleyn-ELABORATE-FRAME_W
0QQitemZ190226350668QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112548QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem

Regina


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[h-cost] portraits?

2008-06-01 Thread Wanda Pease

I have this bad habit of finding portraits that I like on the web and then
forgetting where I saw them.  Can someone help me with this one?

The person selling it on e-bay labeled it as Anne Boleyn, but not possible.
I think it may be Austrian, but who is it and from where?



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOLL-HOUSE-TUDOR-PICTURE-Anne-Boleyn-ELABORATE-FRAME_W
0QQitemZ190226350668QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112548QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi
ewItem



Regina

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