[h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread otsisto
This is suppose to be Margrete of Flanders.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Simone_Martini_037.jpg

detail
http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/images/conway/15a298a5.html

It appears that you have a sideless with a bib of some sort on top of it.
Anyone have an idea of what it might be?

De

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Re: [h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 1/26/2009 10:39:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
c...@juno.com writes:

It looks  rather like a plaquet (sp?).

Arlys



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Yes...but didn't we call it a plastron in costume history? Maybe just the  
English for plaquet. Isn't it usually covered in embroidery, jewels, plate 
and  stuff like that?
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Re: [h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread Audrey Bergeron-Morin
I was leaving this to more knowledgeable costumers, but I think I'll
chime in at this point.

Yes, it's some kind of placket, or plastron. Sideless surcoats were
stylized in this way in the later centuries. They were illustrated on
statues and other visual documents always being worn by royalty, and
often with this kind of placket in the later centures, long after they
stopped being worn. I suspect what you're looking at is some kind of
allegory or imagery, not actual clothing of the period. But... I'm no
expert, just going on memory of other discussions on this list and
others.
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Re: [h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread Cynthia J Ley
Sometimes they were fur.

Arlys

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:41:06 EST albert...@aol.com writes:
  
 In a message dated 1/26/2009 10:39:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 c...@juno.com writes:
 
 It looks  rather like a plaquet (sp?).
 
 Arlys
 
 
 
 *
  
 Yes...but didn't we call it a plastron in costume history? Maybe 
 just the  
 English for plaquet. Isn't it usually covered in embroidery, 
 jewels, plate 
 and  stuff like that?
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[h-cost] micro fiber velvet?

2009-01-26 Thread Carol Huff

Hi
Has anyone worked with the new to me micro fiber velvet? How does it 
compare to the silk velvets?

Ta
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Re: [h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread otsisto
It is a donor, not allegory and therefore wearing garments of the period.

-Original Message-
I was leaving this to more knowledgeable costumers, but I think I'll chime
in at this point.

Yes, it's some kind of placket, or plastron. Sideless surcoats were
stylized in this way in the later centuries. They were illustrated on
statues and other visual documents always being worn by royalty, and often
with this kind of placket in the later centures, long after they stopped
being worn. I suspect what you're looking at is some kind of allegory or
imagery, not actual clothing of the period. But... I'm no expert, just going
on memory of other discussions on this list and
others.


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Re: [h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread otsisto
I was emailing something to another person and I guess I put the wrong url
for the statue. whoops, bahahahd me.
Here's the correct url showing full statue, front.

This is suppose to be Margrete of Flanders.
statue
http://tinyurl.com/c2js4n

detail
http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/images/conway/15a298a5.html

If you click on the detail picture to enlarge you will notice that the
sideless' side opening has a wide band border that is shown going all the
way around. (side note: though the opening curves in the front, it is
squared in the back)
The bib is on top of the sideless and is in the front, over the shoulders
and hangs in the back.


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Re: [h-cost] odd sideless

2009-01-26 Thread Cynthia J Ley


On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:49:10 -0600 otsisto otsi...@socket.net writes:
 I was emailing something to another person and I guess I put the 
 wrong url
 for the statue. whoops, bahahahd me.
 Here's the correct url showing full statue, front.

The musicians here enjoyed the link. :-)

Arlys (music-type Laurel)

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