Re: [h-cost] Feather wings...frame work and feathers
HI, Here is a page on white, feather, articulated wings http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-pair-of-Angel-Wings/ And an articulated frame you could cover withleather or feathers. http://www.instructables.com/id/Articulated-Wing-Framework/ Hope this is what you wanted, melody --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: From: Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu Subject: [h-cost] Feather wings To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:10 AM Years ago (5-10?) someone on this list built a gorgeous pair of wings (even articulated, if I remember correctly) and posted a link -- which I no longer can find. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Failing that, does anyone have any suggestions for how to make some? Kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
Got a response! I asked: *Dear witchesbrewha,* The red one looks rather different than the other picture; are the green and white ones for sale also? And received: *Dear C,* smaller ones are for sale, I will remove the picture is is confusing people. - witchesbrewha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
BRAVA! No admission, but the desired results have been achieved. Great strategy. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: Got a response! I asked: *Dear witchesbrewha,* The red one looks rather different than the other picture; are the green and white ones for sale also? And received: *Dear C,* smaller ones are for sale, I will remove the picture is is confusing people. - witchesbrewha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
Well, she did take it down! I also had sent her an email telling her to take it down and that I had reported her to Ebay. She hasn't responded to me at all. She has a different image now up - wonder if it belongs to her or not. Sg Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:08:06 -0500 From: cvir...@thibault.org To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Got a response! I asked: *Dear witchesbrewha,* The red one looks rather different than the other picture; are the green and white ones for sale also? And received: *Dear C,* smaller ones are for sale, I will remove the picture is is confusing people. - witchesbrewha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
Quoting Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com: Well, she did take it down! I also had sent her an email telling her to take it down and that I had reported her to Ebay. She hasn't responded to me at all. She has a different image now up - wonder if it belongs to her or not. If they're well-made bum-rolls ... probably not! I thought about emailing her and asking if I could get one of the well made ones . susan - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is?
I sent her a message similar to Cynthia and received a similar response. I'm glad she took it down! -Kathy From: wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:05:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Well, she did take it down! I also had sent her an email telling her to take it down and that I had reported her to Ebay. She hasn't responded to me at all. She has a different image now up - wonder if it belongs to her or not. Sg Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 05:08:06 -0500 From: cvir...@thibault.org To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image piracy - Anyone know who this is? Got a response! I asked: *Dear witchesbrewha,* The red one looks rather different than the other picture; are the green and white ones for sale also? And received: *Dear C,* smaller ones are for sale, I will remove the picture is is confusing people. - witchesbrewha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Equus heads and hooves
Anyone have good sources/instructions/suggestions for making the heads and hooves for the horses in Equus? I think I can probably figure out the heads. It's the hooves that I worry about. When you do chopines, how do you keep them on your feet? --that's kind of what the hooves are? Kate, My chopines are fitted over another slipper (pianelle). The chopine has a band over the ball of the foot, rather like a Dr. Scholl's clog. Here's their website: http://aands.org/raisedheels/ see Pictorial Commentary for some modern repros. The detailed build of my pair is under Lesson 1. They're intended as historical re-creation, not theater. I've done Ren dance in them, but they are not galliarde-friendly. I'd make more suggestions, but I doubt their utility: I'm not familiar with Equus. FYI, Google images came up with this: platform shoes. http://www.smc.edu/theatre/images/Equus/Equus1_24.htm --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Mary I ???
http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
On Sunday 01 March 2009 6:05:45 pm Saragrace Knauf wrote: http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? No, I haven't. The style suggests to me that it is a Victorian re-drawing of a 16th century painting, possibly of a Holbein. The headdress is not of a type I've seen on Mary I (the portraits of her I've seen all show her in French hoods). That type of headdress more commonly shows up on portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots in her later years. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
I would agree, more like Mary Queen of Scots - that's a very Stuart face. And the collar with the little ruffled edge is right. But the gown with the fur trim looks more Germanic to me - any thoughts, anyone? Jean Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Sunday 01 March 2009 6:05:45 pm Saragrace Knauf wrote: http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? No, I haven't. The style suggests to me that it is a Victorian re-drawing of a 16th century painting, possibly of a Holbein. The headdress is not of a type I've seen on Mary I (the portraits of her I've seen all show her in French hoods). That type of headdress more commonly shows up on portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots in her later years. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
At 03:05 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? Sg That's a new portrait to me. And the headdress looks too late for Holbein (he died in 1543). I'd want some documentation before I'd accept it as Mary Tudor before she came to the throne. At a guess, it could be an illustration done in the 19th century. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
I have a big book of Holbein's works, and that is no Holbein. Garment reminds me of something I've seen elsewhere... a Norris redrawing if I remember right. Ok, looked up Norris, and not in there. My guess is a Victorian reproduction of a possibly lost portrait. But the dress style is more late 1560s, early 1570s; which is much too late for Queen Mary Tudor or Holbein. Kimiko --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com wrote: http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
The top bit of the dress - what looks like a partlet - reminds me a lot of that painting of young Mary Stuart, the one where she is wearing all those loverly black pearls. The head/headdress reminds me of the Widow Mary Stuart, the portrait where she is all in black and white. The rest of the gown is also reminding me of something, but definitely NOT Mary Stuart G That's quite a construction... Liadain No help, just along for the mystery tour on this one THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... wildernesse, the Outlands http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I ??? I have a big book of Holbein's works, and that is no Holbein. Garment reminds me of something I've seen elsewhere... a Norris redrawing if I remember right. Ok, looked up Norris, and not in there. My guess is a Victorian reproduction of a possibly lost portrait. But the dress style is more late 1560s, early 1570s; which is much too late for Queen Mary Tudor or Holbein. Kimiko --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com wrote: http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
I don't know about anyone else, but this sure looks Victorian to me. Anne -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:06 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Mary I ??? http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
FWIW and IMHO it looks Victorian. Might have been based on a Holbein, but I don't think the pic is 16th C. Monica -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:06 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Mary I ??? http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/Y/Q/2/mary_i_tudor_holbein_001a.jpg Anyone seen this one before - the image name indicates it is a Holbein?? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=viewcurrent=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
What a clever idea! However, does it retain any kind of shaping to the wearers silhouette? Sidney On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.comwrote: There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=viewcurrent=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
If you are a size 22, these are not strong enough for a corset. I tried. Susan On Mar 1, 09, at 8:40 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=viewcurrent=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
This is a zip-tie corset: http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undies2large.jpg http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undieslarge.jpg I find zip ties to be a little bulky, and I've had problems with them wearing through the fabric pretty quickly. However, I've only just now made my first coutil/steel boning corset, so they may be no worse than anything else. Note: if you don't run a line of stitching on the top of a boning channel, zip ties can creep, due to the one-way teeth that makes zip ties work. It's very odd to have a bone suddenly coming over your shoulder through the strap. I have not had any problems with the boning remembering shape. At the end of the day, they're still straight. Emma There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=viewcurrent=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
I had made many corsets with duct ties. There's a big difference in stiffness between duct ties and zip ties. Duct ties are with the air conditioning stuff at home depot. They're about 1/2 wide and I usually buy the ones that are 36 long. I love working with them because they're easy to trim with scissors, inexpensive and easy to obtain at my local home depot. I really have nothing but good things to say about my experience using them. If you're worried about them poking through I have melted the edges with a lighter to smooth them for use with thinner fabric. -Robin On 3/1/09, e...@huskers.unl.edu e...@huskers.unl.edu wrote: This is a zip-tie corset: http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undies2large.jpg http://anvil.unl.edu/emma/clothing/images/undieslarge.jpg I find zip ties to be a little bulky, and I've had problems with them wearing through the fabric pretty quickly. However, I've only just now made my first coutil/steel boning corset, so they may be no worse than anything else. Note: if you don't run a line of stitching on the top of a boning channel, zip ties can creep, due to the one-way teeth that makes zip ties work. It's very odd to have a bone suddenly coming over your shoulder through the strap. I have not had any problems with the boning remembering shape. At the end of the day, they're still straight. Emma There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=viewcurrent=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
At 05:52 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: What a clever idea! However, does it retain any kind of shaping to the wearers silhouette? Sidney I haven't noticed any problem with that. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
At 06:11 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: If you are a size 22, these are not strong enough for a corset. I tried. Susan I'm about a size 22 and they worked fine for me. I just made certain that the boning was pretty solid. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
Hi I made a set--works very nicely..and I'm not small. I cut the ends off and rounded them. They are in two layers of canvas... Ta Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
I have a very old Elizabethan pair that were made with the narrow zip ties. I loved the thing. More than a decade of fair wear, and they lasted with only one bone ever breaking, and it never worked through the canvas layers (2 layers). The whole front is solid boning, and the back is every other channel. I gained weight, I lost weight, and it held me through to even my largest size 24. The only issue is that there is a bend in the waistline, because I could and often did bend over to pick something up or to tie my shoes. But that bend line is not seen once the rest of the outfit is put on over it. They are only now being replaced with an effigy style body, made with flat oval reeds this time. I wanted to see how well reeds hold up in comparison. Kimiko --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.com wrote: From: Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.com Subject: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 5:40 PM There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
I would guess that this is either an entirely Victorian construction or a Victorian redrawing of someone's posthumous portrait of Mary I (if it's not misidentified from the beginning). The style of the sleeves is certainly later than Mary and Holbein, but the whole thing is unconvincing to me as a 16th-century construction. I can find a couple of examples near this extreme sleeve shape from the 1560s and early 70s. Some of Mor's work comes close, such as: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/images/aria/sk/z/sk-a-3119.z?leftcoulisse and there's the Christina of Denmark: http://tinyurl.com/co9r4m (Maybe that's what you were remembering, Kimiko? You have it on your site as well.) The sleeve isn't quite right, but overall the best match I can find is this: http://www.faucet.net/costume/1560swoman.html Unfortunately, I don't have any attribution for it--anyone recognize it? Back to the image at hand: the partlet is bizarre, especially coupled with those undersleeves. In addition, that style of headdress generally comes in plain white. Hers looks more like some of the decorated cauls from the 1560s, like the one in the third picture. I also wonder what the decor at center front of the forepart is meant to be. It doesn't look like any sort of trim or embroidery or couching I've ever seen in the 16th. Other details are just far enough off that this whole thing looks like a pastiche or a misinterpreted redrawing to me. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corset boning with zip ties
They do work well; they just have different properties than other types of boning. Zip/cable ties provide much lighter support and stiffening than steel of the same thickness. They bend more easily, which makes them ideal for the areas of a corset where you want the corset to shape itself to the body rather than the other way around (like the bust of an overbust fashion corset). They're great as a cheap alternative to real or faux whalebone in a fully boned pair of stays--you can stuff the stays full of boning, without adding pounds to the weight. They don't breathe, but then again neither do most of the options. They're incredibly easy to cut to size. The only real problem I've had with them is that in order to get them longer than about 14, you have to go up to a thicker/wider tie (or order off the interweb). Personally, I can't stand the thicker/wider ones, but that's mostly an aesthetic thing; I like the narrower bone channels and I don't like the way the thicker ones look under clothing. If I want the stiffness of the thicker ones, I just use a steel bone instead. Speaking of which, using both types in the same corset works really well, especially in Victorian corsets; you only need a few key steel bones to get the right shape, and then can use several ties to keep things firm and the fabric unwrinkled. -E House On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.com wrote: There is an interesting topic on the USITT costume designers email list about using zip ties for stays in corsets. Has anyone tried this? Here is a URL for an example: http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/CaraGreenleaf/Chain%20and%20Dresses/?action=viewcurrent=Corsetbonesuncut.jpg The professors say that it works very well. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
An inquiring mind wants to know...How can people tell that it looks like a Victorian painting. What is the difference in the style of painting? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
Penny Ladnier wrote: An inquiring mind wants to know...How can people tell that it looks like a Victorian painting. What is the difference in the style of painting? On this one, the mouth seems particularly 19th c. to me. There's a general sense of proportions and modeling of hands and face that's hard to explain; it's something that you pick up after looking at lots and lots of images from the periods in question. Plus there's a texture to the image that's more consistent with a 19th c. print. About the ID: It's worth noting that although the name Mary I usually applies to Mary Tudor (1516 – 1558), it may also be used for Mary Queen of Scots, who was Mary I of Scotland (1542 – 1587). So whoever labeled this image Mary I Tudor may have misread a label on a depiction meant to show Mary Queen of Scots. From what people have said, I gather that the later ID would be more consistent with the dress details. The misidentification could have occurred with the person who did the Victorian rendition, the person who posted it on the Web, or anyone in between. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I ???
Robin wrote: ... it's something that you pick up after looking at lots and lots of images from the periods in question. Absolutely agree with this! A quick way to get a feel for this would be to go to your nearest library and pull together two piles: costume surveys that are photographic collections of period images (like Millia Davenport and Francois Boucher), and another pile of Victorian histories of costume (like Braun Scheider, Planche, Fairholt, Racinet, or Norris) -- whatever you can find. Be sure to check both the Reference and circulating shelves. (Hmm, coffee-table medieval period survey books may also be helpful; many of them are copiously illustrated with photos of period images; Ref collection for these.) Then just sit down and compare. Pick a particular place or period and check it in each book, first the period originals; then the Victorians. If you already have a visual sense (of anything), this will work faster, but enough exposure should eventually work for anyone. You can sort of do this on-line, but there you have more work to do to verify the periodicity of your non-Victorians; it would probably be easier to start at the library. Oh yes, just because a survey of costume is more recent (ca. 1960 to present) doesn't mean it will be more reliable than Davenport or Boucher. Their strength, in spite of their ages, is that neither one does RE-DRAWING, they both do photographs of period portraits, drawings and paintings. And don't EVEN consider looking in the theatrical costuming section. Some of what you will find there is better than others, but even the best have a central focus that is something other than authenticity! have fun! Chimene ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
