[h-cost] Special Membership Rate for Costume-Con 28
Welcome to 2010! As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be valid until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase “This never happened to the other guy” on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to cc2010m...@cs.com. Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
List members may find this interesting: http://www.anthus.com/Colors/NBS.html It doesn't have every historical color, and the swatches of course depend to some extent on your monitor. Still, it contains some useful information. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
Thank you Fran --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com wrote: From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com Subject: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:06 PM List members may find this interesting: http://www.anthus.com/Colors/NBS.html It doesn't have every historical color, and the swatches of course depend to some extent on your monitor. Still, it contains some useful information. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
It's interesting. I'm fond of saying we should all just use Crayola colors, the first system we learned. It's pretty obvious that, for instance, yellow-green is different from green-yellow. Though I remember having trouble with several shades, including ocher and burnt umber (what color *IS* unburnt umber? I had no frame of reference). And until you see one, orchid is a bit confusing to compare to lavender. They're both pale purples. I finally learned that orchid is pinker than lavender. Then there's the Pantone system for printing. Trouble is, they change the colors according to popularity, and the swatch books are expensive. And the color names are numbers. . . Another argument for Crayola, which at least has descriptive names.. Ahh but wait. Crayola, too, changes its color names. Will nothing help us all? Yours for a colorful world! == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Lavolta Press wrote: List members may find this interesting: http://www.anthus.com/Colors/NBS.html It doesn't have every historical color, and the swatches of course depend to some extent on your monitor. Still, it contains some useful information. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
On 1/1/2010 12:39 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: Then there's the Pantone system for printing. Trouble is, they change the colors according to popularity, and the swatch books are expensive. Pantone doesn't change the colors as far as I know, or at least not unless it's over a long time frame. The colors are only numbered, no names. Pantone is not a guide to historical color names, or any other kind of color names. The whole point is that you and the printer each have a Pantone book or fan. You say you want color #X on the cover, and that's what you get. You don't have to specify the edition of the Pantone book or fan. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: On 1/1/2010 12:39 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: Then there's the Pantone system for printing. Trouble is, they change the colors according to popularity, and the swatch books are expensive. Pantone doesn't change the colors as far as I know, or at least not unless it's over a long time frame. The colors are only numbered, no names. Pantone is not a guide to historical color names, or any other kind of color names. The whole point is that you and the printer each have a Pantone book or fan. You say you want color #X on the cover, and that's what you get. You don't have to specify the edition of the Pantone book or fan. Thanks, Fran, for this interesting resource! Fran is correct regarding Pantone, however the books are expensive and recommended to be replaced every year. It was developed specifically for the printing industry — there are some basic ink colors that are mixed in various combinations to get the colors in the book. There have been colors added, and particularly when a company uses a new color and wants it consistent for their corporate identity. Because, of course, they can't use one of the colors that Pantone already has in the book. :-) The RGB colors listed on the page are helpful, but will depend on the calibration of the computer screen. I noticed the grays had a reddish hue on my monitor, so I adjusted it and the shades of purple make more sense now. Besides the historic color names, how is this useful to h- costume? Say someone has a fabric for sale, and even with an image online I'm not sure if it will match/coordinate with something I have, or certain shades of puce make me look ill. An understood color system means they can give me a number and I can see the exact shade. The downside of a printing ink system is that fabric dyes are different. One example of this is Spoonflower — spoonflower.com, they print custom fabric from your designs. A friend has seen color shifts between what she wanted and what she got, so it is very much worth getting a fabric sample before ordering yardage! Printers can be calibrated too. If I'm looking at those swatches and decide to print it out, it may different than when you print it. Not to mention my monitor is showing me colors of light, and paper or fabric shows me colors of inks or dyes, the additive vs subtractive color. Two colors can look different on my monitor and then print out looking the same. As far as the accuracy of the colors, who knows what they were looking at for the earlier historic shades. Garment colors can fade. How exact of a shade do you need? Just look at how many shades of teal they have: http://www.anthus.com/Colors/Colors_T.html or terra cotta. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] CONFUSING COLOUR NAMES - WAS Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: SNIPPED I'm fond of saying we should all just use Crayola colors, the first system we learned. It's pretty obvious that, for instance, yellow-green is different from green-yellow. Though I remember having trouble with several shades, SNIPPED Then there's the Pantone system for printing. Trouble is, they change the colors according to popularity, and the swatch books are expensive. And the color names are numbers. . . SNIPPED COMMENT Just to be even more confusing for those of us interested in medieval costume - skarlets were not only crimson. They ranged all the way from the most expensive black, to a light grey. Julian Wilson, in old Jersey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
Fran is correct regarding Pantone, however the books are expensive and recommended to be replaced every year. It was developed specifically for the printing industry — there are some basic ink colors that are mixed in various combinations to get the colors in the book. There have been colors added, and particularly when a company uses a new color and wants it consistent for their corporate identity. Because, of course, they can't use one of the colors that Pantone already has in the book. Your comments are erroneous in some respects, but as this is not a list on color printing and the Pantone system, I suggest that anyone who wants information on offset printing and color proofs for it consult sources on book production. Besides the historic color names, how is this useful to h-costume?\ Is there something wrong with suggesting a link to an interesting source for color information? And letting h-costume members--if they wish--take a few minutes to see if it is useful to them in any way? If you think the site linked to is erroneous or incomplete, or you want material added to it, I suggest that you contact the website owners. I am not responsible for the content of their site. If you want a website specifically oriented toward colors for fabric printing, or historic costume, I'd advise you to search the web for it and post a link. I'm sure we'll all be glad to see it. Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Fran is correct regarding Pantone, however the books are expensive and recommended to be replaced every year. It was developed specifically for the printing industry — there are some basic ink colors that are mixed in various combinations to get the colors in the book. There have been colors added, and particularly when a company uses a new color and wants it consistent for their corporate identity. Because, of course, they can't use one of the colors that Pantone already has in the book. :-) Your comments are erroneous in some respects, but as this is not a list on color printing and the Pantone system, I suggest that anyone who wants information on offset printing and color proofs for it consult sources on book production. You're welcome to PM me on that. I've worked in magazine, advertising and book production (on the print end) for many years. Besides the historic color names, how is this useful to h-costume? Is there something wrong with suggesting a link to an interesting source for color information? And letting h-costume members--if they wish--take a few minutes to see if it is useful to them in any way? If you think the site linked to is erroneous or incomplete, or you want material added to it, I suggest that you contact the website owners. I am not responsible for the content of their site. If you want a website specifically oriented toward colors for fabric printing, or historic costume, I'd advise you to search the web for it and post a link. I'm sure we'll all be glad to see it. I was hoping to continue some discussion on it, because I'm interested in color. I offered a couple of examples and hoped others would do so, too. It was meant to be a stimulating question, not a suggestion that something was wrong there. And also I did send a note to the site owner. Upon a closer examination I noticed a few colors had a pink cast to them, particularly the white and some light greens, which ought not to be pink at all. I checked a few color configurations, so I know it's not my monitor. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
