Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread AVCHASE
Bravo, Fran! What a cogent analysis of the problem. I have such a hard time getting across to people that theatrical costuming is not fashion design or couture or ready to wear or home sewing. It's about the play. Audy in the high boonies of Central Texas

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
On 3/10/2011 1:52 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Who's your audience? From what I recall from being a fashion design student at two different colleges, people seem to enter college fashion design programs for a number of different reasons: snip More comments: * In every course I was in, the

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
He posed a whole set of problems for the instructor. The females were not allowed to fit him, and he had to be sent out of the room for all their fitting sessions. snip The instructor also had to customize the whole course for him, due to the students always wearing their creations. He made

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Michael Deibert
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.comwrote: * In every course I was in, the students wanted to make garments for themselves, regardless of their goals for the course. If they were going to put all that time and money into making something they loved, they wanted

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
This is a slight misconception and I'll avoid going into sizing issues. But while there are industrial sized dress forms, the industry standard size is a medium. The actual measurements of your line's medium is based on your target market and your fit model. A fit model is the actual model you

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread michaeljdeib...@gmail.com
Replying on my phone so I apologize for any typos I miss! And I apologize if I cone across as arguing, want to make sure we're on the same page in understanding even if it means I misunderstood something along the process of learning. No, the standard industry dress form does not work -

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
I agree that it is frustrating to waste one's time on something that cannot be worn or sold but how else can they learn the process? The person who originally posted was planning to teach a *beginning* sewing class. A great many people want to learn to sew, to custom fit, and to create

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
Fran, I realy appreciate your take and advice on this trend and issue. Given the wide scope of researching ?historical costume and puting it together with contemporary interps of?this history, having an automatic market out there that will be clamoring to buy the designs in Any size does not

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Michael Deibert
Quickly to wrap this up since we seem to agree to disagree... and if you'd like to continue this because there are some interesting things brought up, feel free to send me a private email. First of all, Remember, this is an e-list that focuses explicitly on making historic clothing. I know

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Laurie Taylor
Regarding this quote, [On a side note, history of costume would be of little help to a fashion design major - unless it covers the history of modern fashion or period fashion is become a mainstream revival without my knowledge.] I disagree completely and must say so. Inspiration for new

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Carol Kocian
On Mar 11, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Michael Deibert wrote: [On a side note, history of costume would be of little help to a fashion design major - unless it covers the history of modern fashion or period fashion is become a mainstream revival without my knowledge.] When I was studying fashion

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Michael Deibert
First off let me apologize. It was a side comment that popped into my mind that almost didn't make it through to the final edited post. Perhaps my mind was preoccupied on the rest of the post that it made sense at the time? Regardless, upon both replies and rethinking it myself I have to say even

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
On 3/11/2011 5:04 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: Expecting a Class that will allow you to be able to do this is not a real prospect I'm not entirely sure what your point is. It is true that many historic techniques differ from modern ones, in fact they differ from one historic period to

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
So not only was it really half a course, but not once was the topic of how modern fashion draws conclusions from historical periods. I was going to college in a period when modern fashion was drawing very heavily from both folk and historic clothing. The instructors were well aware of that

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Michael Deibert
First, I don't think there exists a state that actually has money right now - but that's a whole nothing topic! I am definitely not talking about courses offered by fabric stores - unless one is an absolute complete beginner and even then, the projects are way too simple. Also, tuition is going

Re: [h-cost] History of Costume text?

2011-03-11 Thread Lavolta Press
As to the dream situation you refer to, its unfortunately not as easy as that. Both sides (the aspiring amateur and the industry professionals) are much more alike than either would like to agree. Except neither side is willing to even talk to each other, let alone share the information that