Re: [h-cost] 1849 millinery questions

2012-07-28 Thread Marjorie Wilser
Bavolet is the word I've heard for the curtain. I've probably mis- 
spelled it :)


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On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Lynn Downward wrote:


Hi Lauren,

Welcome to millinary, a wonderful, terrible art.

I can answer two of your questions. however, the question of  
symmetry (#2

and #4) depended on the year and the desire of the wearer. Sometimes
symmetry was all, sometimes asymmetry was the way to go. Perhaps  
someone

with more experience in 1849 fashion can help you there.

However, yes, a straw bonnet would have that curtain in the back to  
cover
your (naked!) neck. It could be made of the lining fabric or part of  
the
trimming ribbon or even some of the fabric to match your dress.  
There's a

French term that means 'curtain', can't remember it right now and that
ruffle at the back is usually called by that name.

The lining could have been shirred and look poofy or smooth against  
inside

of the bonnet and/or (are you getting the terrible part yet?) she is
wearing a cap. As soon as I wrote 'women always covered their hair' I
remembered dozens of photographs of women whose hair showed.

Best wishes on your project. I hope you'll take pictures and send us  
a link

to admire.

LynnD

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM, lauren.wal...@comcast.net wrote:




Hi,

I'm working on a 1/12 scale (dollhouse miniature) of the outfit in  
an 1849
fashion plate. (If you've subscribed to the Costume Gallery, it's  
part of

the Year in Fashion: 1949 collection,
http://www.costumegallery.com/1849/  . It's   the March 1849
Fashion

Plate : Lady with Children .)



I'm almost done with the gown and moving on to the bonne t. I am not
very knowledgeable about 19th-century headwear, and am hoping  
someone with

expertise can give me a clue or two or three .



The bonnet appears to be straw, and I think it is more or less the  
typical

shape of that decade, which I've seen variously described as
cottage/spoon/scuttle . I've read that by 1849 the brim, while  
still large
in circumference, no longer extended very far out beyond the face,  
which
seems consistent with the image . Other examples from the same year  
that
I've seen had a straight top line rather than a break between the  
caul and
brim. A ribbon trims the hat, more or less where the caul would  
turn into

the brim if they were not continuous.



So far so good.



The plate doesn't show the back of the bonnet. Other examples from  
around
the same time have some kind of fabric ruffle on the back at the  
bottom of

the caul, coming forward as far as the ribbon trim.



Here are my questions:

1) None of the real-life bonnets I've looked at is straw. On these  
other

bonnets, the fabric ruffle is made of the same fashion fabric as the
outside of the bonnet. Would a straw bonnet have the ruffle? What  
would it

be made of on a straw hat?



2) The bonnet in the fashion plate has an elaborate bow and tassel  
trim on
the visible side. Would there have been the same  trim on both  
sides of the

head ? Or just on one side?



3) There's something sort of poufy or ruffly going on inside the  
brim of
the bonnet. Would the lining have been poufy or did fashionable  
women still

wear caps under their bonnets in '49?

4) There are also flowers trimming the inside of the brim. Would  
those

have been arranged the same way on both sides of the head, or
asymmetrically?



Thank you for any thoughts you might share!

Best,

Lauren



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