Re: [h-cost] 1849 millinery questions

2012-08-26 Thread Marjorie Wilser

Please do, Lauren! I'd forgotten it was 1/12. wow. AWE :)

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On Aug 26, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Lauren Walker wrote:


Hi,
I have constructed the straw part of the 1849 hat, bound the raw  
edges, and applied the bavolet! 1/12-scale bavolet = mighty tricky.  
Now just the lining-ruffles and the lining and the bow and gimp  
trims. Whew! hats are elaborate.
Thank you to everyone for your advice and picture links and  
everything. When it's done I'll post pictures.




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Re: [h-cost] 1849 millinery questions

2012-08-26 Thread Lauren Walker
Hi,
I have constructed the straw part of the 1849 hat, bound the raw edges, and 
applied the bavolet! 1/12-scale bavolet = mighty tricky. Now just the 
lining-ruffles and the lining and the bow and gimp trims. Whew! hats are 
elaborate. 
Thank you to everyone for your advice and picture links and everything. When 
it's done I'll post pictures. 

Lauren M. Walker
lauren.wal...@comcast.net



On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:50 AM, Marjorie Wilser wrote:

> Bavolet is the word I've heard for the curtain. I've probably mis-spelled it 
> :)
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> On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Lynn Downward wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lauren,
>> 
>> Welcome to millinary, a wonderful, terrible art.
>> 
>> I can answer two of your questions. however, the question of symmetry (#2
>> and #4) depended on the year and the desire of the wearer. Sometimes
>> symmetry was all, sometimes asymmetry was the way to go. Perhaps someone
>> with more experience in 1849 fashion can help you there.
>> 
>> However, yes, a straw bonnet would have that curtain in the back to cover
>> your (naked!) neck. It could be made of the lining fabric or part of the
>> trimming ribbon or even some of the fabric to match your dress. There's a
>> French term that means 'curtain', can't remember it right now and that
>> ruffle at the back is usually called by that name.
>> 
>> The lining could have been shirred and look poofy or smooth against inside
>> of the bonnet and/or (are you getting the terrible part yet?) she is
>> wearing a cap. As soon as I wrote 'women always covered their hair' I
>> remembered dozens of photographs of women whose hair showed.
>> 
>> Best wishes on your project. I hope you'll take pictures and send us a link
>> to admire.
>> 
>> LynnD
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm working on a 1/12 scale (dollhouse miniature) of the outfit in an 1849
>>> fashion plate. (If you've subscribed to the Costume Gallery, it's part of
>>> the "Year in Fashion: 1949" collection,
>>> http://www.costumegallery.com/1849/  . It's   the March 1849   Fashion
>>> Plate : Lady with Children .)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm almost done with the gown and moving on to the bonne t. I am not
>>> very knowledgeable about 19th-century headwear, and am hoping someone with
>>> expertise can give me a clue or two or three .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The bonnet appears to be straw, and I think it is more or less the typical
>>> shape of that decade, which I've seen variously described as
>>> cottage/spoon/scuttle . I've read that by 1849 the brim, while still large
>>> in circumference, no longer extended very far out beyond the face, which
>>> seems consistent with the image . Other examples from the same year that
>>> I've seen had a straight top line rather than a break between the caul and
>>> brim. A ribbon trims the hat, more or less where the caul would turn into
>>> the brim if they were not continuous.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far so good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The plate doesn't show the back of the bonnet. Other examples from around
>>> the same time have some kind of fabric ruffle on the back at the bottom of
>>> the caul, coming forward as far as the ribbon trim.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 
>>> 1) None of the real-life bonnets I've looked at is straw. On these other
>>> bonnets, the fabric ruffle is made of the same fashion fabric as the
>>> outside of the bonnet. Would a straw bonnet have the ruffle? What would it
>>> be made of on a straw hat?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2) The bonnet in the fashion plate has an elaborate bow and tassel trim on
>>> the visible side. Would there have been the same  trim on both sides of the
>>> head ? Or just on one side?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 3) There's something sort of poufy or ruffly going on inside the brim of
>>> the bonnet. Would the lining have been poufy or did fashionable women still
>>> wear caps under their bonnets in '49?
>>> 
>>> 4) There are also flowers trimming the inside of the brim. Would those
>>> have been arranged the same way on both sides of the head, or
>>> asymmetrically?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for any thoughts you might share!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Lauren
>>> 
>>> 
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