Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
I had a pair of dark red corduroy knickerbockers in the early 1980s. Being used to wearing breeches as a musketeer in the Sealed Knot, and finding them comfortable, I was happy to follow the fashion. I remember my mother telling me years ago that plus-fours were so called because they had an extra four inches in the width (rather than the length). Don't know how correct that is. I think we were looking at an old photo of my dad in them. He was never a golfer, so the fashion must have been taken up for general wear. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor Derby, UK _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
I guess I should read all the posts before replying - fun memories. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
Seems to me that my daughter (27) and several students (college/high school) recently (in the past 2-3 years) was wearing 'floods'jeans cuffed up to the lower calf. Kate Pinner Costume Scenic Design Tech. Coord., Kelsey Theatre, MCCC 609-570-3584 pinn...@mccc.edu From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf of Rickard, Patty [ricka...@mountunion.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
No one seems to have mentioned bifurcated garments...19th C. review and philosophy of women wearing male garments...including Bible Quotations...Lots of interesting examples there! From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty [ricka...@mountunion.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants I guess I should read all the posts before replying - fun memories. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] bifurcated garments
I was astounded to learn that my very proper great-great grandmother and her daughters wore bifurcated garments on the Oregon Trail-- in 1852, very soon after Amelia Bloomer was named as their creator. One of the older daughters wrote about their experience and how the garments made walking the trail much easier than it would have been in skirts. The stuff of family legend. I suspect G-g-grandmother's prior pioneering experience influenced her to make a radical fashion choice for Oregon. In 1836 she and her husband had floated down the Allegheny on a raft; she mentions having to traipse around a portage through weeds and wet with wind, and how her skirts switched between her ankles, making walking almost impossible. G-g-grandmother was the wife of a preacher and Presbyterian missionary- I was amazed that such a character would make use of what was then rather a controversial garment. Perhaps she thought nobody she knew would see her! -- they and their large family had two wagons and did not join a train. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= http://3toad.blogspot.com/ Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Doll-clothes brain
So, since my last installment, I've been working away on making 9 rows of bias ruched organza quilling trim in 1/12 scale for an 1849 evening dress. Tomorrow I'll make the satin underskirt and start on the 16 ribbon roses. And then there can finally be pictures. (Penny Ladnier, if you're reading this: it's the pink tarletaine on the left lady from the January 1849 Year in Fashion plate.) But I've clearly gotten a bit punchy from the whole doll-scale project. Because when I saw this: http://www.fabric.com/midweek-madness-sale-home-decor-fabric-p-kaufmann-adrian-coral.aspx , a screen-printed upholstery canvas with approximately a 9 square repeat, for a moment I really wanted to buy enough of it to make myself a dress that would be the equivalent on me. I might not be able to resist. Definitely stitching past bedtime, here. Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
