This just crossed my desk, and with the recent activity on this list, it makes
sense to post it here. It's very time-limited, so if you're active on a list
or group that does Norman Conquest history or the Bayeux Tapestry, please pass
this on!
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that was severed after weaving (like
velvet, only in spots) and there were special chisels made for the tailors
to do the cutting with.
Thanks for your wisdom
Julie
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I don't know about Regency, but in many periods, gum arabic was used as a
fray preventive liquid, like Fray-Check. You can get it at art stores that
sell painting supplies.
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I cut at an angle and then cheat and use fray preventive liquid.
On 3/20/2013 5:34 PM, Jean Waddie wrote:
But in the UK, certainly modernly,
it's always knickerbockers. Knickers are female underwear, only.
One of my favorite speakers on costume history once began a lecture at an
international conference by saying, I considered giving this presentation
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This article is getting some discussion in other places. It's a shame the
author (or whoever provided the information to the author) makes so many
assumptions. For instance, the pictured garment described as a bra appears
to be fragments of a much larger item -- look at the part surviving at
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On 3/23/2012 1:03 PM, Laurie Taylor wrote:
Most Unusual Concession to Modesty: The earliest Christians believed that
the Virgin Mary was impregnated through her ear and that other women as well
had used their ears as reproductive organs. For that reason, an exposed
female ear was considered no
On 3/25/2012 11:30 PM, Laurie Taylor wrote:
I know that when I saw this image it surprised me, as it was the first time
I'd seen it ever, in spite of having done many hours of image research on
sideless surcotes, on many previous occasions. No idea why this image is so
obscure or elusive. I
On 3/13/2012 4:37 PM, Wicked Frau wrote:
Now if they will only do the same for the Arnolfini Wedding!
You mean like this?
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/jan-van-eyck-the-arnolfini-portrait
Zoom bar is at the right.
For full screen, click the icon, or with luck this will work to
Quoting back the link for Marjorie ...
With my own comment:
Lynn Downward wrote:
Maybe we don't have to go to Belgium after all. The Ghent Alterpiece is now
online.
I can assure you, it's still worth the trip, unless maybe you have a room-size
monitor. Even if you know the dimensions of the
On 10/4/2011 6:48 PM, Ulrika O'Brien wrote:
Robin wrote:
I picked up a pair of reddish-brown fashion boots at a resale shop. ...
In any case, I'd really like to wear these, but not while their color is
mismatched. So, I need a way to either lighten one, or darken the other, or
color them
Not my usual historic, but a materials question that might be answered by
you knowledgeable folks.
I picked up a pair of reddish-brown fashion boots at a resale shop. Not
leather, but they're a good imitation, they fit me perfectly, and they were
cheap. Not till I got home did I discover --
On 10/4/2011 9:12 AM, Land of Oz wrote:
Chances are they got mismatched by fading in the first place, and it's
probably your best bet for trying to match them. I don't think you are going
to find any kind of leather product that will work. It's possible something
like a permanent marker *might*
On 6/10/2011 3:05 PM, otsisto wrote:
Are there any docs. to cotehardies being laced in the back?
I very vaguely remember something to a yes and I think I may have seen pics.
but my ADD isn't letting my brain find it on my mental shelf.
I have never seen any good evidence for back lacing of
On 5/18/2011 9:55 PM, Judy Mitchell wrote:
It's likely the acetone in the nail polish that's doing it. You can buy
straight acetone at wig stores probably beauty supply places. It's still
likely to be a PitA to wipe down that much fabric though, but at least you
wouldn't be using a teensy
On 4/18/2011 10:07 AM, Sunshine Buchler wrote:
One of the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries in the VA shows a lower class woman in
a gothic fitted dress with a partlet tied on top of it. Circa 1430.
I would advise against using that image as evidence for anything, as there are
significant dating
On 4/18/2011 12:52 PM, Franchesca wrote:
I love wearing cotehardies. However, I sweat under my bosoms when I do wear
them.
Has anyone found a solution, costuming wise, for hiding this or stopping it
from showing through a fitted garment like a cotehardie?
First thing is to remember that this
On 2/1/2011 6:48 AM, Lisa A Ashton wrote:
If you are planning on attending this year's Costume Con in NJ, would you
be interested in doing a talk or two? I am the Programming Director for
hte con. Your talks are always well-attended and very appreciated.
Can't make it that far; so sorry! I
Catching up on stacked-up e-mail...
On 1/27/2011 9:09 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote:
The workshops that Robin did last year were outstanding!
blush Glad you liked them. It was great fun.
I've been to, hmm, three Costume-Cons, and had a blast every time. I've always
come as a guest
On 1/30/2011 11:41 PM, Carol Kocian wrote:
I don't know if it's related at all — when Robin Netherton demonstrated making
a gothic fitted gown, she might or might not use front and back gores
depending on the figure of the wearer. If I recall correctly, wide hips worked
well with the flare
On 1/12/2011 4:53 PM, Genie Barrett wrote:
Hi, sorry for the bandwidth, but I was hoping you could contact me
privately regarding your Anglo Saxon Costume dissertation?
Replied privately on Gale's behalf.
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the only photo we can print in
color in a volume.
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Not quite jeans, because the garments aren't pants, but it sure looks like
jeans-style denim:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hdNKiR4beIYhMuO9xwl992_jkvHQ
The article includes images of three of the paintings.
--Robin
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Chiming in late, I'm afraid, but toss my reading into this camp:
On 10/20/2010 11:47 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote:
Symbolic interpretation of armorial designs not intending to represent actual
garments?
I suppose the garments *could* be made by a variety of conjectured methods, as
others
On 9/1/2010 11:20 AM, Kathryn Pinner wrote:
White soccer socks will fit him better than girls knee socks and will stay up
better. Even loafers or docksiders (or slippers) are better than athletic shoes
Brilliant on all counts, thanks!
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Reposting here with permission; thought it might interest those of you who
were at CC28 in Milwaukee.
Original Message
Subject: Costume-Con 28 report (from a newbie perspective)
From: Amanda cupr...@yahoo.com
Hello everyone,
I just posted a report from CC28 that I wrote
I have acquired a secondhand jacket of leather-and-suede patchwork in reds and
blacks. It's in excellent shape -- leather is supple and seams are all intact
-- but it could use some cleaning (nothing major, just the sort of grime that
comes around cuffs and corners with routine wear). I know
A net-friend has a 16-year-old daughter who has become interested in historic
costuming. From photos of what she's doing, it appears to me she'd be
delighted to make contact with the sort of people who go to Costume-Con, or
possibly to Renaissance Faires. However, she's in Fredericton, New
debloughcostu...@aol.com wrote:
Firstly, even though a pocket may have been sizable enough to accomodate
the items referred to, it wouldn't be waterproof.
Secondly, who in their right mind would put them all in there together???
My coat has poachers pockets - designed for the
Lavolta Press wrote:
And in fact, most modern restaurants will give you a special bag or
container to take leftover food home in if you ask. I have had elderly
relatives who did this routinely. Not for economic reasons but because
it was physically very difficult to cook for themselves at
Penny Ladnier wrote:
Who from h-costume is going to Costume Con? I will be there Friday-Sunday.
Looking forward to a great time!
How wonderful, Penny! We've never met in person, have we, in all these years?
H-cost members: Don't forget to put a red H on your badge. I'll be wearing the
red
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Sharon Collier wrote:
Many people save their hair, the stuff that ends up in their brush, for use
in fancy hair styles. They make a rat of it and pin/arrange the rest of
the hair over it. Also, many fancy hairstyles used false pieces. There is a
scene in Jefferson In Paris, where the daughter is
Lavolta Press wrote:
For the 19th century at least, the they got the texture and body by
never washing their hair is a reenactor's myth. In fact, people were
using the equivalents of modern hair products, whether these came in a
bottle with a label or not.
You're right about that; it's an
Margaret Decker wrote:
I will be at Cost-con 28. Do you need any assistance. I've lost your e-mail add.
Margaret Decker
Answered privately.
Anyone else from the list going to be at CC28 in Milwaukee next month? Do we
want to put H's on our badges or stage a meet-up?
--Robin
Donna Hawk wrote:
Just joined the list and was cruising through some earlier conversations.
RE: Hennin - several members were pleased to find Gay's Glossaire archéologique du moyen âge et de
la renaissance, Volume 1 in Google Books as a resource.
What nobody commented on (possibly didn't
Kate Bunting wrote:
Robin wrote:
If you're seeing the whole page that has coiffet as its first entry, you're
on the right page. Below that is coiffure, which has a bunch of subsections.
Look in the right-hand column of that page, toward the bottom, long paragraph
dated 1428.
But I'm not! By
Kate Bunting wrote:
It's not my area of interest, but as I can read French and am interested in words I looked at the
Gay book out of curiosity. All I got when I searched on hennin was a virtual clipping
from the book showing the word coiffet, and I was unable to proceed further. How do you
Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. wrote:
Robin: I, of course, got the authors' names wrong, so I undoubtedly completely
confused you. I can't find the French version at work, so it's probably in
stratum 5 or 6 at home: I shall find it tonight to compare and contrast.
However, my never to be
=book_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepageq=Henninf=false
It was under hair/coiffure things.
On 1/20/10 9:40 AM, Robin Netherton ro...@netherton.net wrote:
_Glossaire
archéologique du moyen age et de la renaissance
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Penny Ladnier wrote:
Another questionable term from 1968...
Lets go the opposite direction!!! What is a B-D man's knit shirt?
Button-down?
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I've been asked about the origins of the word hennin, commonly used today
for a range of 15th-century tall headdresses. I was surprised that the OED
doesn't trace it back any further than the 19th c., but the OED is notoriously
bad with clothing terminology, and I don't have access at the
otsisto wrote:
I do not know why you are looking it up in OED as it isn't English. (Did the
English wear hennins?)
The word is used in modern English (and it's in the OED as such), and the OED
gives etymologies, so I was hoping for a clue -- but as I noted, OED is not my
reference of choice
Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. wrote:
Perrine and Mane's book on costume gives one explanation, but since they don't footnote anything, it's difficult to know if they are right. I know that metal headpieces of the same shape are found in pre-and Islamic graves in central Asia. One source I have
Maggie wrote:
Vicky, are you trying to tell someone that H-Costume should have a Facebook
presence? Or did you just invite your whole address book?
That's what FB will do if you let it get hold of your address book.
For the record, anyone can see your Facebook photo albums if you choose to
I'm trying to find out whether anyone in my personal network of online
acquaintances lives in Nashville. If so, please reply privately.
Thanks,
Robin
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cc2010m...@cs.com wrote:
Also, the Milwaukee Public Museum, www.mpm.edu, is maybe about four blocks
away. The Streets Of Old Milwaukee are a great place to go in Victorian
garb.
And in case it isn't clear, I should note that the Streets of Old Milwaukee
is an exhibit within the Milwaukee
Charlene Charette wrote:
And the last couple of copies I've found were in the US$2000+ range.
OK, I know it's a good book.
Is it really *that* good a book? Is there that much in there that isn't
anywhere else?
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Better pictures, more detail in this article:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/09/spider-silk/
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Susan Farmer wrote:
Somebody out there wrote a wonderful satire on Mall Crawler Baggies --
it was written as it it were a paper presented at Kalamazoo 2450 or
something like that. Anyway, I can't find it any more!
Does anybody happen to know what that URL is?
After much prodding from various people, I've put up a Facebook page.
Actually, I put up two -- one for my personal stuff and another for people who
know me for my costume research and lecturing, because I don't think I could
stay sane if I tried to deal with incoming information from both
Pierre Sandy Pettinger wrote:
Since Costume Con is held by a different group every year, there is a
variability in what classes are offered, and their quality. It all
depends on who is running Programming, and who is attending and willing
to teach. Different regions bring in different
Joan Jurancich wrote:
At 02:33 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:
A colleague needs quickly to locate an image he remembers seeing of a
woman with a distaff stuck in her headdress. I'm sure I've seen this
one too -- I have a vague impression that she was walking or going
about other work, with a very
Thanks, Anne! It seems, though, that the author I'm working with does need a
different image -- he's talking specifically about distaffs and the ways they
may be carried, and in this case the woman herself is actually her own
distaff, with no physical distaff in sight. I feel certain I've seen
Ginni Morgan wrote:
Robin
Did you check out the Brueghel paintings? I seem to recall something like you
originally described as occurring in a crowd scene and for some reason, I seem
to remember it as being one of the Brueghel paintings. Could be very wrong on
that, but that is my memory.
A colleague needs quickly to locate an image he remembers seeing of a woman
with a distaff stuck in her headdress. I'm sure I've seen this one too -- I
have a vague impression that she was walking or going about other work, with a
very small distaff stuck into a hat or turban or wrapped veil.
Sandy wrote:
Hello out there - everyone must be busy, the list is so quiet.
Just back from almost a week at the International Congress on Medieval Studies
at Kalamazoo (better known as The Zoo), where we had 13 papers on medieval
dress and textile studies just in the sessions I organized,
cc2010m...@cs.com wrote:
You can now make your Hotel Reservations for Costume-Con 28! The phone
number is (414) 271-7250. Just tell them that the reservation is for Costume-Con
28.
Hey Henry, are there plans to update that website? Last time I looked it had
almost nothing on it -- and if
that Robin Netherton gave me in St Louis.
I wish I'd been that creative! I think it was Tara or Dawn who was handing
those out. I am saving the one I got for my next CC.
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Lynn Downward wrote:
Please don't send me any angry messages about me being a homophone
Hmm. Lynn, Linn, Lynne, Lin ... sounds like a homophone to me.
(g,d,r)
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Kim Baird wrote:
Help!
I know I remember someone talking about the Tristan and Isolde quilt at the
VA, and perhaps some new research that is being done? I couldn't find
anything in the archives.
A detailed look at the quilt, and its partner at the Bargello in Florence, is
in the newest
Adding to Penny's useful post: If you want the real thing, eBay is a good
source for old patterns, and they often have the precise year on them. Last
time I did this (which was some years ago) I also found that there were a
number of web vendors specializing in vintage patterns.
Be aware that
Cin wrote:
Im planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and
would like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous
strand. The clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to
do was sell me inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just
dont know
Patricia Dunham wrote:
Ha on me! Just showed this to my husband. His immediate reaction? Of
course it's Victorian, that's a metal engraving. (Not before 18thC,
used extensively in Victorian period.)
Your monitor resolution is better than mine! That was my first thought, but I
couldn't
Penny Ladnier wrote:
An inquiring mind wants to know...How can people tell that it looks like
a Victorian painting. What is the difference in the style of painting?
On this one, the mouth seems particularly 19th c. to me. There's a general
sense of proportions and modeling of hands and face
I have just received my author's copy of the 2009 volume of Medieval Clothing
and Textiles journal. This is rather earlier than we expected! I understand
that orders are now in the UK warehouse and are being shipped, and will be at
the publisher's US branch shortly.
Contents of volume 5:
Dawn wrote:
Kate Pinner wrote:
I realize it's now passe, but I'm doing a production of Angels in
America
that takes place in 1985-86.
That's too early for yellow. In the mid/late 80's the power tie was red,
either a solid red or the striped one, occasionally a tiny print. I went
to work in
aqua...@patriot.net wrote:
I don't remember the specific years, either, but it was the red
power tie and the yellow sincere tie.
Yes! That was it! Even when it was everywhere, yellow was not the power tie.
I'd forgotten it was supposed to be sincere, but that's indeed the word that
was
All this talk about the swapsell list put me in the mood to do some stash
clearing. I just posted a bunch of silks and a chunk of wool to that list. If
you're not on that list and want to be, sign up here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/
--Robin
Saragrace Knauf wrote:
Okay, I am a rock. I can't find the group on Yahoocan someone point me
there?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swapsell/
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ladybeanofbun...@aol.com wrote:
I went onto the yahoo group that was
recommended, the one which has been established for h-list members to
use for posting and am still awaiting a confirmation or approval to the
group so... ready when they are to start loading the pics there so I can
then
Land of Oz wrote:
I was previously a member of that list, but the messages were next to
non-existent. I just went there to join again, and according to the
message history, there wasn't a single message in 2008 and a total of 10
for all of 2007. Not much going on there
It was never
Margo Anderson wrote:
On Jan 30, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Maggie wrote:
I was so excited when I heard about this, and I was planning to be
there,but
I'm giving classes of my own at the Renaissance Symposium that weekend
about
400 miles away, and there's just no way to do both. I have to hope that
Back from a weekend trip and responding to a bunch of posts on this thread.
The frontal piece on the sideless surcote shows up around 1380. This is also
the point at which the garment has all but faded from depictions of ordinary
noblewomen, and is typically found only on royalty/royal family.
There are still some seats left for my lecture day in Los Angeles on Feb. 7.
Location is Mount St. Mary's College. I'll be giving five lectures on women's
fashions of the 14th and 15th centuries. Topics are the Gothic fitted dress,
the Greenland gored gown, the sideless surcote, the V-necked
Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
Hi,
I am planning to make a silk dress inspired by this picture:
http://www.sca.org.au/st_florians/university/library/articles-howtos/heraldry/HeraldicFrocksS_files/image042.jpg
But I cannot remember what the
of the property.
I bet this group wouldn't have left much behind of the wool, buttons, thread,
tools...
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ladybeanofbun...@aol.com wrote:
Hello, I am trying to clear out some of my fabric because I don't have
the time to make anything with it and was thinking of putting it up on
ebay. However, I am not an experienced seller and was wondering if
anyone would be able to suggest what may be the best
Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
Robin Netherton's site is here. For some reason, it now requires a login and
password to access the material on the GFD.
Grr. Thanks for letting me know. This is news to me, and I have no clue what
to do about it. I will see what I can manage.
--Robin
albert...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 1/4/2009 1:11:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com writes:
if I remember correctly, silk has the same chemical make up as human hair.
**
I find that hard to believe. Silk comes from
Kathleen Hanrahan wrote:
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Robin,
Robin Netherton wrote:
Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
Robin Netherton's site is here. For some reason, it now requires a
login and password to access the material on the GFD.
Grr. Thanks for letting me know
Dawn wrote:
There's also an issue of maintaining some measure of restriction on
whether the documents themselves (as opposed to the main index page)
get picked up by search engines ... I try not to encourage people to
grab bits and pieces off the web, out of context, rather than reading
the
Dianne wrote:
Oh yeah, and a flying monkey :). I need to make him a little
vest..
Catherine
perk?
Flying monkey?
My SCA coat of arms is a winged monkey. Any clue where he came from?
No idea about Catherine's, but I think mine came from here:
Sid Young wrote:
Is this an appropriate email for this group???
Also the last one about free software ???
ShaShalott is an infrequent but known poster at h-cost. It looks like her
e-mail address has been hijacked and the evildoer is sending spam to everyone
in her addressbook. It
shashal...@aol.com wrote:
I am so sorry. I forwarded this to the wrong email. Please forgive me.
Oh, that's much better than the alternative. You can ignore my other e-mail!
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Chiara Francesca wrote:
This is one of my favorite costuming book collections!
Thanks for the heads up. I have been trying for years to save up enough for all
4 volumes. :)
Are you certain you're thinking of the same book? Every edition I've seen of
Planche's Cyclopedia is two volumes
Saragrace Knauf wrote:
The online version lists at least 3 volumes
Sg
What am I missing? I downloaded a 30MB .pdf. It ends abruptly at p.272
midsentence.
The title page says IN TWO VOLUMES. VOL. I. THE DICTIONARY. That's
consistent with WorldCat listings that say Vol. 1 is the
Robin Netherton wrote:
Saragrace Knauf wrote:
The online version lists at least 3 volumes
Sg
What am I missing? I downloaded a 30MB .pdf. It ends abruptly at p.272
midsentence.
OK, answering my own question. The link forwarded to the list was to Volume 1,
part 1. There are also pages
you might try looking at tomb effigies of the period in question,
but others might be able to better speak to that (paging Robin
Netherton?)
Both effigies and brasses are plentiful in England at this point and are
readily available in books. For brasses, search your available libraries
I'm passing this along on behalf of the organizers of my upcoming appearance
in Los Angeles. Please feel free to forward to other lists or individuals who
may be interested.
Original Message
SUBJECT: Robin Netherton Lecture Series in Los Angeles
The Historical Closet
Genie Barrett wrote:
Hey all,
My hubby found this, and thought to pass it on. WOW is all I can say.
Genie
Subject: Small-scale clothing
This might be of interest to some of the folks on the costuming list.
Go here:
http://www.coraline.com/http://www.coraline.com/
and enter the key:
Cin wrote:
Oh, there's more? Undoubtedly there are. I'm looking for one that's
more prone to scholarly info rather than sewing construction
questions and where to buy questions.
You might be thinking of the list for discussing and announcing sources that
Beth Matney formed after our
Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:
Pernoud, Regine. Visages de femmes au Moyen age. [Saint-Leger-Vauban]:
I don't know what the book is worth, but she's a very good writer, a
specialist of the Middle Ages and also very prolific.
(Catching up late)
I found this first in German, on a clearance
Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
Thanks Robin,
Thanks, I'll look for the German edition. (I do a bit better with German)
Before you go, you might try pricing this and other items on your wishlist on
abe or alibris. Anything you can get cheaper used (and shipped) will save you
luggage space.
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In a message dated 9/9/2008 11:13:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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http://www.marileecody.com/mary1medal.jpg
Nice clear lines.
De
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Interesting.
In most portraits of, say Anne Boleyn, or Catherine Howard, the crown
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