Re: [h-cost] Facebook page
On 5/30/2015 1:47 PM, scarlettday wrote: I was of the understanding that there was a Facebook page for the group, if there is one how can I find it? I don't know about one specific to this group but there are a blue million historic costume groups. Are you looking for a specific time period, or just Historic Costuming in general? Susan -- Susan B. Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College College of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/academics/schools/math-science/faculty-staff/sfarmer http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] question about antique academic regalia
I was just given a (for me) priceless gift -- a silk academic (doctoral) gown that's about 50 years old. I'm fairly certain that it needs to be dry-cleaned. Any comments/suggestions/caveats/etc? Thanks! Susan -- Susan B. Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College College of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs? LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of Friends Lists (or Reading Lists) down to a fine art. You subscribe (for lack of a better word) to folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for instance), and then on your Reading page, all their entries show it. It's **MUCH** micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of different blogs. They all come to one place. I also think it's easier to have a discussion on LJ or DW than it is on most blogs because of the way the comments are structured. It's very easy to follow a comment thread there. Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
On 8/6/2011 5:26 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Beteena, I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog formats work like this: One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay. Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the Great work! or I agree! lines. Some are substantive, but even so, not usually more than a paragraph or two long. I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog, and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on. Oh, very much so. Here, anybody can start a discussion about anything. There, you have to respond to what I say. Each of the venues, Facebook, Journaling sites, Blogging sites and even Discussion Boards have their own intended purpose and methods of interacting. I suspect it's just the summer heat and a temporary lull in the lists. It happens to all lists from time to time. And as somebody, Kimiko?, mentioned, Costume College was last weekend. Folks are probably recovering! Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
On 8/6/2011 7:08 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Geez. I'm even more out of it than I thought I was. i thought all I was missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting). Now I see it's Live Journal too. When do people find time to do all this computerized social networking and have a life? Life? Actually, many of my students interact with me preferentially through facebook rather than traditional email. But then, teaching eats anything resembling much of a life for me! :-( (I love teaching, don't get me wrong; I just miss having time to do things other than grade papers for 250 students!) Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress
On 7/25/2011 5:41 PM, Melanie Schuessler wrote: I used cotton velveteen. Thanks. Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress
On 7/25/2011 8:15 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: Melanie, what did you use for your velvet trim? I'm wondering about annabalizing my plastic robe for it . I had great ambition to make my own robe, but then didn't stay in academia. However, I bought lots of the stuff, including black velvet ribbon for the trim. I think that would be easier to manage than making your own strips from velvet or velveteen yardage. I contemplated that as well. You can see rolls of it in various widths. Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress
On 7/24/2011 10:16 AM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Susan B. Farmersfar...@goldsword.com wrote: Second -- what I'm looking for is what was Medieval/Renaissance Dress. Our dean keeps saying that Academic Dress (tm) is unchanged since the 14th Century -- I want to know what 14th C Academic Dress looks like! When I get home I'll give you the reference for what I found when I had a similar question. The short version of my own conclusions was the styles are clearly related, but if you showed up at a modern college graduation wearing a 14th c cap and gown, it would be instantly identified as odd. Thanks! I've threatened to do just that, though. I'd probably check with TPTB first, though! Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress
On 7/24/2011 3:03 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Was'/t there someone on this list who made their own medieval academic gown (in addition to defending their dissertation)and sent a photo journal of the process? Patty It wasn't a Medieval Gown -- it was a modern gown, but yes. There is a blog about that. :-D I don't *think* she's on this list though. Susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Academic Dress
I'm looking for information on Academic Dress -- and I turned to Davenport -- they have the nice section on Clerical Dress. The appendix lists several figures: 323, 594-596, 1560-1578, and 1759. 1561-1578 are Academic Gowns as is 1759. 323 and 594-596, however, are clearly *NOT* academic regalia (nor are they identified as such in the captions or text). Was there ever a set of corrections for the figures in Davenport? Does anybody know what those correct figures might be? Thanks! Susan/ Jerusha -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress
On 7/23/2011 6:16 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote: What is your specific quiry? Like uniforms, the various robes and garments are particular to the various institutions that were required for students to wear.? When it comes to modern day garb, these garments may be eclectic according to the institutions requiring them for ceremonies. The stoles and hoods are now regulated somewhat to be reprsentative of specific universities/colleges re school colors and disciplines. First -- as I mentioned in the original email, what are the actual figures referenced in Davenport -- the index is incorrect. Second -- what I'm looking for is what was Medieval/Renaissance Dress. Our dean keeps saying that Academic Dress (tm) is unchanged since the 14th Century -- I want to know what 14th C Academic Dress looks like! Susan -Original Message- From: Susan B. Farmersfar...@goldsword.com Sent 7/23/2011 12:08:25 PM To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Academic DressI'm looking for information on Academic Dress -- and I turned to Davenport -- they have the nice section on Clerical Dress. The appendix lists several figures: 323, 594-596, 1560-1578, and 1759. 1561-1578 are Academic Gowns as is 1759. 323 and 594-596, however, are clearly *NOT* academic regalia (nor are they identified as such in the captions or text). Was there ever a set of corrections for the figures in Davenport? Does anybody know what those correct figures might be? -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Academic Dress
On 7/23/2011 10:30 PM, Aurora Celeste wrote: Margaret Scott's new book Fashion in the Middle Ages has a section on academic dress: pgs 74-7. I don't know much about modern academic wear, but I'd say it only bears a passing resemblance. Also, my knowledge-of-all-specialist-of-none background makes me think probably not, since I think modern doctoral robes are like choir robes with all the cartridge pleating and I don't think many garments displayed cartridge pleating until the late 16th century. Sweet. Amazon's look inside feature just let me look at those pages. :-D While not exhaustive, that's more than I knew before -- and it's got illos -- and ideas for further research. Thank you so much! susan (goes to order book) -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer/ http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] (no subject)
On 1/10/2011 8:47 PM, cora hendershot wrote: but, if you manually enter www.stylecloud.com, you get a site on voting about food. Was this what was intended? no, she was hacked and is taking steps to remedy the problem. Susan/ jerusha -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric swatches
On 10/18/2010 12:55 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: The main wool swatch set I know of is in the book All About Wool : Fabric Dictionary and Swatchbook. It is a bit pricey, which is why I've not picked up a copy yet. I've also received some nice wool swatches from Wm Booth, Draper, which they can send to you on request. You have to email them, and ask for specific color swatches on the types you are interested in. I requested a few which they sent me for free. You could see about requesting all of what they have and what cost that might be. It doesn't hurt to ask at least. Sadly, their purples were too dark for my needs, but I'm still itching to buy some of their red/clarets. Kimiko Small Actually that Swatchbook sounds like it would be more useful. I'm just looking for generic swatches of generic weights, weaves and surfaces -- nothing specific. Wonder if there are any used copies around! jerusha/ susan -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sheer linen
On 10/16/2010 9:58 AM, Wicked Frau wrote: This company sells it: http://www.ulsterlinen.com/ Very nice stuff. So does this one: http://www.libecohomestores.com/index_en.htm http://www.libecohomestores.com/index_en.htmThey used to be known as Linen House. That's some nice stuff. Is there a place in the states that sells a sheer linen? I *finally* got my fabric swatches from fabric-store.com, and they're all heavier than I want for that. jerusha -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sheer linen
On 10/16/2010 4:16 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: In spite of the name, the Ulster Linen Company is in New York. I did not know that. I do have a very nice piece of pale yellow from them. Thanks! Jerusha -- Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved Braided
Quoting Mary + Doug Piero Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: www.worldcat.org says that the British Library in Wetherby, W Yorkshire has it. However, their library catalog denies it. This sometimes happens when an item has been ordered, but not yet unpacked. I'd give them a call. The other locations so far are Long Beach, CA; Houston TX; Dunedin, NZ This title must be fairly new, for so few locations to show on worldcat. Kent State doesn't even have it yet! Apologies if I missed an earlier post -- I've had my head in a dissertation (I took it to the printers today! ...) Has this actually been printed? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan B. Farmer wrote: They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noo. harrumph! I hate it when that happens. Worse, when the book is out, but the local store doesn't have the patterns yet. That's really frustrating. I had to pick up a prescription at WalMart today -- and they don't have the new book. Hobby Lobby has some good deals from time to time, but they like to tear the top of the envelope off when you buy them on sale. I can see marking the envelope like Hancock's does, so it can't be returned for full price, but the envelope flap often has important sizing information on it! I refuse to buy patterns at Hobby Lobby any more because of that. This was my first HL pattern buying experience ($0.99 and no limit -- WooHoo!) but she didn't tear the flaps off on the patterns that I bought. I'll keep that in mind next time I go there. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] question about a book
Does anybody know anything about this book? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200129359893 Thanks! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Abel, Cynthia wrote: Simplicity has three new costume patterns in the Autumn 2007 catalog and you can see pics online at www.simplicity.com . Wait for those $1.99 pattern sales! Oooh! Lots of fun new costumes this month. They'll be $1.99 at Joann's next week, July 22-28. Limit 10. Well, dang-it-all! I just bought a boat-load from Hobby-Lobby for $0.99 ... Was this book out yet? noo. harrumph! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question about a book
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan B. Farmer wrote: Does anybody know anything about this book? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200129359893 It's a children's survey book with line drawings and watercolors as shown on the cover. There's a whole series of books by the same author, houses, great painters, various periods in history. Your local library might have some of them. There's a review of it on Amazon, if you haven't already checked. LOL. Probably should have tagged that Migraine Alert. I never even thought of Amazon! That's about what I figured. Thanks susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] David Brown Book Company Fall releases
Quoting Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, ok--BAD ARLYS!!! BAD, BAD, BAD!!! Feel better now? Me either. ;) Had a question re: Eleanor of Toledo's gown--is her dress appliqued and embroidered, or? oh, no. It's a pile fabric -- like Velvet. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume
Quoting Michelle Plumb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A Robe a la Francaise sewn and embroidered by Bjarne, complete with corset, pannier, stomacher, hat, cap and purse. or *anything* done by Bjarne . susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ahem-something interesting
Quoting Glenda Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't ask why, but I looked for a good close-up pic: http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/DB-f2v-d3l.jpg (No blurring here...) However, it does show that the woman to the left of the man is showing all as well. LOL! I'd never noticed the woman before! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ahem-something interesting
Quoting Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's well known that 18th century sideboards had a cupboard for a chamber-pot, to be used by the gentlemen after the ladies had retired to the drawing-room. No doubt in the more robust 17th century it was considerd OK to do so in mixed company. On the subject of bowdlerised paintings - isn't there a medieval scene (I think in the Tres Riches Heures) showing people warming themselves by a fire, including a man holding up his tunic (?) skirts and showing everything? I've seen a reproduction of that with the relevant area blurred over. Also, Hogarth painted a friend of his leaning out of bed being sick in a chamber pot, which was later repainted at the request of the man's family to make him appear to be reading in bed. Yeah. It's February. All the dangly bits are in plain view. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ahem-something interesting
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 7 May 2007, otsisto wrote: Where did you find the first pic? as I think it is not the original but an altered picture. Kind of like the picture of Henry VIII instead of holding a glove is holding a roasted turkey leg or an Italian painting of a grandfather and grandson where the grandfather has a bulbous nose and they put a fly on it. The clean painting has muddy areas where the pot was, and the man's garments are still pulled open and turned up inexplicably. The bawdy version is the older one. And you can tell where the chair back that he's supposedly leaning on was added later -- it doesn't fit well. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's working with a text reference to embroidery. One possible interpretation of the reference would be that it describes embroidery that appears on both the inside and outside of the fabric. To me, that sounds like something on the line of blackwork, designed to be neat and finished looking on both the right and wrong side, and thus suited to things like cuff and collar edges that might be turned out. So, questions: 1. Is my memory correct -- is this indeed a characteristic of blackwork? Or any other kind of historic embroidery style? Blackwork can be reversible -- but it doesn't have to be. 2. Is this characteristic actually documentable to any non-modern examples? (I know it's easy to assume that a standard definition of a technique must date back forever, but it might be done differently in different periods.) If so, how early? I mentally associate blackwork in particular with the Tudor period, but the reference in this case is about 1400. To my knowledge -- and blackwork isn't my thing -- blackwork is later than 1400. There are more knowledgeable folks on this list than I in that respect. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 5 May 2007, Robin Netherton wrote: That would certainly be the case for, say, a doublet, but for the cuffs or collars of linen chemises, which are not lined, why would the embroidery be done in advance, or assumed not to be seen? Chemises in 16th century paintings are often shown with blackwork embroidery on cuff edges and collars; presumably the insides of the cuffs would be readily visible, and collars might be turned out in some cases. Like this: http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11viewmode=1item=49.7.32 About 135 years later than the reference I'm tracking, but shows a case in which one might think of making an embroidered edging on a chemise look good both inside and outside. I can't get close enough to her right cuff to see whether it is reversible, though. NOw that I can help with. Here's a larger image that I scanned out of Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_FairGeraldine-qewuFig239.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/2qtsgn Depending on your browser, you may need to click it to see it full sized. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 5 May 2007, Susan B. Farmer wrote: NOw that I can help with. Here's a larger image that I scanned out of Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlocked http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_FairGeraldine-qewuFig239.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/2qtsgn Aha. I have the book, just haven't hunted for images in my own library. (I'm up to my eyes in preparing for my own sessions at K'zoo and am passing on this question as a favor for another presenter -- I can't spend much time doing her work for her, though). Yes, it does look like the embroiderer would have understood that the inside of the cuffs here would be visible. There are lots of examples from this period both in English and Italian art where the collar/cuffs are embroidered with the implication that both sides will be seen -- more can be forthcoming if you need additional examples. I don't know what the earliest such example is, though. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question
Quoting Tori Ruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello all! Let me preface this by saying that I don't know that much about embroidery. I want to put gold couching on velvet. Should I make a frame big enough to accomodate the entire pattern piece? I would think that a hoop would damage the velvet, so I'd rather not do that. If you stitch for *short* periods of time and don't leave the fabric in the hoop, you won't see much compression of the velvet. My piece is home, I'll try and remember tonight to check it and see. And this piece (a pouch) actually has the hoop large enough so that the pouch itself is completely within the hoop. It would help if you had a hoop large enough. A scroll frame would work too, and it might be easier to manipulate. What if I'm embroidering an entire skirt? Do I need a frame big enough for that pattern piece as well? Orshould it be embroidered on a different fabric and appliqued onto the garment? yes. :-) Applique was indeed done in pre-1700 garments when the final, fashion fabric was velvet. I don't know about later stuff, but I don't see why it wouldn't be! Other folks will know the answer to that one I'm sure. What period are you doing? I'm not as concerned with historically accurate techniques, yet, as I am with just getting from point A to point B with as few migraines as possible. If you haven't prewashed everything, applique might make it easier to clean -- especially if you're doing metal thread. You could just take the applique off ... susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Canadian (Lattice) Smocking
If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian Gown http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either way!) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind of smocking? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
Quoting Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind of smocking? susan I had the same confusion until I looked at the website mentioned at the beginning of this thread http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php and found out it's actually what I've always seen described as Lattice smocking in English/Australian texts (this other name must be a north American thing) Thanks! I've always heard it called Lattice Smocking too. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them.
WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 Saragrace, I don't remember off the top of my head what book I scanned these from, but here's my collection of Bermondsey images . The first 4 images are 2Megabytes or better -- one is 3.6, I think. The quality of the image wasn't very good -- the printing screen was overly visible. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel1.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel2.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel3.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel4.jpg Hope this helps! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them.
Quoting WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My goodness - this helps a lot! Thank you! I am contacting the Bridgeman Art Library who has them in High resolution...who knows what they will cost. Thank you so much for sharing... Oh, yeah -- let us know what you find out! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them.
Quoting WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My goodness - this helps a lot! Thank you! I am contacting the Bridgeman Art Library who has them in High resolution...who knows what they will cost. Thank you so much for sharing... Sure thing. I view it sorts of like my collection of Genealogy Photos -- I can enjoy them, but it's ever so much fun to spread the joy around! :-) susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes
Quoting Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My students have been asking some really good questions. These questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived in Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really far behind fashion or not. If you answer these questions, please let me know your location and the app. year you remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through high school: Knox Co., TN -- High School 1967-1971 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured At one time, I seem to remember that the skirt had to touch the floor if you knelt, but by the time I graduated, IIRC, they had to be fingertip length ... 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. nope. not even coulottes. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair yes 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed I think so susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking For Drea
Quoting Margo Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have a good contact for Drea Leed? I've gotten no answers to emails I've sent to the address on her website. I know that she was at Gulf War (SCA) this past week. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] WOOOHOOOO!!!
Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry but its so quiet here on the list, and i just had to share. I have finnished! with the anglaise dress. I dont know if you have had the same feeling as i have now, but this dress is f.. beautifull. Its my masterpiece ever. I shall rush home from work tomorrow with a big box from the postoffice to send it in, and i shall take some nice pictures in the daylight, its evening now, and the flash pictures are bad. God i am so happy, and its nice to get it send away so that i can have my mind focused on the new dress i am going to make WooHoo! Can't wait for the pictures! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Chicago trip
Quoting Wendy Colbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you are looking for something other than fabric stuff and you like zoos, Chicago had 2 really nice zoos. You can't go wrong with either Lincoln Park or Brookfield, although Brookfield is larger. Probably will. The meeting is at the Museum of Natural History ... :-D susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Chicago trip
BYW, thank you to everyone who's offered suggestions. I've not responded to each of you individually -- and I don't want to clutter the list with a thanks to each individual email ... so *THANKS* susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations
Quoting Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/textiles/index.php Art Institute of Chicago has an extensive textile collection. WooHoo! Last time I was there they had an incredible lace exhibit. *bummer* The textile galleries are currently closed for the duration of the construction of the new building. *sigh* But there's Other Stuff -- and A Gift Shop, Im sure! I would have *loved* to have seen that! Msybe it will be open by July. Thanks! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations
Quoting Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you have a costume already? Italian. I play in the SCA Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations
Speaking of Traveling ... I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific recommendations?) susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations
Quoting Andrew T Trembley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific recommendations?) I've been out of the midwest for quite a few years, but... Vogue fabrics in Evanston is pretty cool. The Aurora Bleachery in Aurora used to have a fabulous remnant shop. Cotton and poly-cotton solids sold by the pound. There's a place in Georgia that sells stuff by the pound too. I understand that's a great way to find stuff! Thanks for the recommendation. I was going to fly up, but I think Ill drive ... Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I second the recommendation for Vogue Fabrics in Evanston. It's probably one of the best fabric stores in the country. I also recommend that you consider visiting Bristol RenFaire which will be opening the weekend of July 78. I just might be able to swing that. I've never been to a Real Ren-Faire. We had one local for like 2 years, but it was *very* tiny. SCA events, and Gulf War, yes, but never a Ren Faire. Thanks for the tip! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations
Quoting Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Of course, to fully appreciate the Ren Faire experience, you should go in costume! Of course! Italian? Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dressing the Queen
Quoting Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My backups have the HTML but not the pictures or their structure. The HTML is in the Way Back Machine, but not the pictures. I have all the pictures, but they are scattered all over my computer. Nods. That was the way it was for me. I was just so thankful that I didn't have to recreate all that HTML! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color
Quoting monica spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11viewmode=1item=63.43.1 *WOW* I'd settle for a larger copy! Have you emailed the museum? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color
Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Monica, The link dont work. When i get there, there is no picture! The periods cause the URL to break funny. Try this http://tinyurl.com/3yhyuk I want to see that embroidery in color! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease
Quoting Kelly Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is it with Home Ec teachers??? I suffered a similar fate. I had to take Home Ec as I was female, shop was strictly for the boys. I had been cooking and sewing for years before hand. LOL. Good to know I wasn't alone! rolls eyes! Yeah. I'd been sewing for several years when I took Home Ec. My teacher measured me and measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. I told her that, no, I wore a 10. But she was the teacher, and (of course) she prevailed. I made the dress. We could both fit in it . susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dressing the Queen
Saragrace, didn't you do a web page on Dressing the Queen? (i.e., the layers and how everything is put together ...) Is it still up? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease
In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:00:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I found confusing in the past was that the measurements listed on the back would suggest that I needed the pattern to be about two sizes bigger than my normal dress size, and then I'd get the pattern cut and it would turn out to be about two sizes too big. Yeah. I'd been sewing for several years when I took Home Ec. My teacher measured me and measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. I told her that, no, I wore a 10. But she was the teacher, and (of course) she prevailed. I made the dress. We could both fit in it . *sigh* jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.]
Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 06 February 2007 11:24 pm, Susan B. Farmer wrote: I always give them a month or two with the book and *then* request it. Tomorrow, I'm going to put in a request for Thor Ewing's Viking Clothing book. Anybody got any comments on it? Yes, I do. It's an interesting read. Wisely, Mr. Ewing doesn't purport to have the gospel truth about what the Vikings wore: instead, he reports the finds and current theories that he is aware of. He also is very forthcoming with his clothing theories based on that evidence. I don't agree with everything he says, but a lot of it is plausible and all of it is thought-provoking. The only thing I regret about the book is that it doesn't have more illustrations in it. I had flipped through it once (and I still kick myself for not checking it out then!), and that was the one thing that I noticed. thanks! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding online resource
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Tania Gruning wrote: Hiya all. I have tried to search the archive, but have been unable to locate this resource. It is a online archive with out of print and antique books scanned in, that you can download in txt or pdf. The books are all on womens concerns: Sewing, embroidery, householdmanagement, childcare and some other miscellanious things. The archive is hosted by a large university, and the archive currently have 1000's of books starting from around 1750 and forward. This isan't that big of an archive, but it's the only one that I know of. http://inky.library.yale.edu/medwomen/whichbook.html susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book Opinion
Quoting RobinandKelly Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Someone mentioned receiving the following book as part of the h-costume gift exchange: Everlasting: The Flower in Fashion and Textiles (fabric, lace, and beautiful garments) It sounds as if it fits in perfectly with a topic I've been researching for several years, basically the effect of the study of botany primarily by women on both clothing and home fashion. I must have missed the original post -- and I'm not finding the book at all. Having said that, I don't know what aspect of clothing and home fashion you're looking for, but have you seen Thomasina Beck's books on Floral Embroideries? The Embroiderers Garden, Gardens of Silver and Gold, and The Embroiderers Flowers are the 3 titles that come to mind off the top of my head. Susan, botanist - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:Book Opinion
Quoting RobinandKelly Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The following quote is exemplifies what I'm interested in: *wonderful quote snipped* Susan Fenimore Cooper Rural Hours by a Lady 1854 Yeah. I *want* that book. She has a wonderful essay on Trillium in there. :-) Of course, flowers and vegetation have been used as inspiration in both clothing and home textiles for eons, but there is a definate connection between botany becoming an acceptable pursuit for women and the blossoming of realistic floral forms as decoration during the Victorian period. What kind of science do you do, if I can be nosey? If you want, we can go off-list ... Did you know Beatrix Potter was a lichenologist? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding an article?
Quoting Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan B. Farmer wrote: Quoting Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have it. It's not a very good copy, but I do have it. Do you still need it? PDF or paper? Paper. If ILL turns up a PDF that will make life simpler for everybody! I don't want you to have to make another paper copy! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] large post
I am *so* sorry. I was in the process of fixing the to line and the damn thing went to the whole list. You may smite me with limp noodles and everything else. I was *so* hoping that the list stripped attachments. *sigh* *very* red-faced, Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding an article?
Quoting Genie Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello All, I am trying to find a copy of Janet Arnold's copy of: Elizagethan and Jacobean Smocks and Shirts that is in Waffen-und Kostumkunde Pt. 2 (1973) pp. 109-124. Is there anyone out there that might have a copy? I need it for a bit of research I'm doing and, like usual, I am rather late in doing the research so can't ILL it. Don't have the journal, but my University generally gets stuff to me in about a week. I know that different libraries are different -- want me to try and get it for you? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding an article?
Quoting Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have it. It's not a very good copy, but I do have it. Do you still need it? PDF or paper? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze - reprint
Quoting Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was poking around on the Polistampa website, which I believe is the publisher of the Moda a Firenze book. They have a notice on the site that they will reprint the book and it will be available in April 2007. If you pre-order it now, you get a 30% discount (off of 58 Euros). However, if you order from them, I recall that getting payment to them is quite difficult. I don't remember the details from when I tried to order this book from them when it first came out, but I finally gave up because I didn't have the time to jump through all the hoops it required! http://www.polistampa.com/asp/sl.asp?id=3653 You have to have your bank make an electronic transfer of funds to their bank. One more thing, when they were offering a 20% discount, shipping to the states was *almost* as much as the book. With a 30% discount, shipping is certainly more. I *did* have the receipt that they sent, but I'm not finding it at the moment ... Found it! original price 58.00 E discount -11.60 E subtotal 46.40 E shipping 33.60 E Susan (who really hopes that they reprint it even if I already do have a copy!) - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Schuette
Quoting Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I found these but could not find an English edition. Were these what you were talking about? Beth Gestickte Bildteppiche und Decken des Mittelalters by Schuette, Marie. Leipzig: K.W. Hiersemann, 1927. First edition. Cloth (hardback). Elephant Folio (51 cm). Illus. with 20 color and 42 monochrome collotype reproductions. Embroidered Fancy Tapestries and coverlets of the Middle Ages. If that's the title, it's a completely different book (rather than an earlier edition) that the one that I know. Its German title is Das Skiekerwerk (if I spelled that correctly) it's co-written by Marie Schuette and Ingrid Mueller Christensen -- and is titled A Pictorial History of Embroidery. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Schuette was RE: question re: floss silks for embroidery
Quoting Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Which is the 336pp., 11.5 x 8.5. (29 colour plates and 463 in b/w). Praeger 1964 edition? I think that's the one that she's referring to as the little one. It's the only one that I've ever heard of. And if you can't bear to spend $300 for a copy, there's a copy on eBay for $500! LOL! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] RE: question re: floss silks for embroidery
Quoting Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You didn't see it in the library because I'd had to consult it recently and it was up by the computer. Now I have a new scanner I'm going to see if I can scan it in without breaking the binding and have my very own CD/DVD copy. I would expect that it would also manage to duplicate itself a few times and if I left those dups lying around they might take it into their little bitty byte minds to wander Montanawards! LOL. I've got a lot of the plates scanned, but not nearly all of them! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Questions re: Moda a Firenze
Quoting A. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Based on everyone's recommendations, I went ahead and put in a reserve from an Italian company called Maremagnum who has to check with their sources - I was told to expect a reply in 3 weeks. Is this the Italian company you ordered out of, Susan? No. It was just place an order -- it was a different company. Somebody else on one of the other lists that I'm on ordered from them. It's not been longer than 2 weeks ago, though. I was under the impression that Shramansky was sold out permanently; if this is not the case I may go ahead and put in a request with them as well. *somebody* (you know, *them*) said that both Michael Shramansky and David Brown/Oxbow were talking to the museum about a second printing. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Questions re: Moda a Firenze
Quoting A. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've lucked into some Christmas gift money and am looking to (finally!) purchase this book. However, given the hefty price tag, I'd like to get some reviews (regrettably, the local textile library doesn't have a copy). Some of my questions: What are its strengths? Weaknesses? Are the writers credible? Is the book well researched? What is the quality/quantity of photographs? Any construction detail? Thanks in advance! If you want to do Italian Ren, then you **NEED** this book. However, the book is out of print -- I've heard rumors that it *may* be reprinted. The only place that I know of right now that has it for sale is Poison Pen Press, and last time I checked, they wanted 190.00 for it. Evidently, I got one of the last copies that Michael Shramansky had! http://www.poisonpenpress.com/costume.html you'll have to scroll for it. There are more gorgeous paintings in this book that I had *never* seen anywhere else before. It's more like QEWU than PoF -- there aren't any patterns, but ... Construction details? In the wardrobe inventories, amounts of fabric are given. Close ups of paintings of various details (sleeves, partlets, etc) are provided and discussed. The text is parallel Italian/English. Wonderful book. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange
I got a lovely copper box with lucite/mother or pearl that had some pretty silk flosses (just the right colors!) and a mother-of-pearl floss winder! Thanks! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] pictures -- Six Wives (Keith Michell)
Some time back, somebody webbed a bunch of very nice screen shots form Elizabeth R (and I think it was on this list ... -- Kimiko, was that you?). Are there any similar shots anywhere of the Wives from the *first* BBC series on Henry VIII with Keith Michell? Thanks, Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] pictures -- Six Wives (Keith Michell)
Quoting Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not screen shots , but I have some of the official publicity shots from Six Wives on my fashion plate site. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/c461806.html I worked on refurbishing some of these costumes when they were on display at Hampton Court, so I may be able to answer some questions - it was a long time ago though, and I don't have any notes. Thanks! That will serve to whet my desire for a bit. I've got to get that on DVD. It's been *far* too long since I saw it! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gack! Is she pregnant or is she not? Need your opinions!
Quoting Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you think she is pregnant? Seems a little low for pregnancy. I'd say she wasn't. Since it might be useful to compare to a pregnant woman . Here's a painting that's just a tad earlier where Margharite *is* pregnant http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mode di Firenzie
Quoting Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED]: *snip* At 12:28 AM 12/9/2006, you wrote: Is there any way that Oxbow or David Brown could get hold of Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 from the Museum that publishes it? Hi Wanda, The publisher tells us that the book is out of print! So, buy one if you get the chance (whatever the cost!). Yikes! *ACK* My copy was supposed to have been here early in November and I've not seen hide nor hare of it yet. :-( Maybe there will be enough demand that they'll reprint it. *whimper* I want my book! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question about a book
Quoting Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is the year of the newer edition (mine is 1991 or 1992 I think) I think that's the 2nd edition. I just lucked onto one for $10.00 -- the 3rd ed is 2004 or 2005 (IIRC) susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Costume history text
Quoting Kelly Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you send out the titles and ISBN numbers for these books? I teach as well, and could really use a good text, sounds like this would be very much in keeping with how I teach costume history...the what/why sort of thing. How about this . http://www.amazon.com/Costume-History-Style-Douglas-Russell/dp/0131812149 http://www.amazon.com/Survey-Historic-Costume-History-Western/dp/1563673452 susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question about a book
Quoting Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: *snip* Susan, what are you doing at Uof T? Finishing up a PhD in Botany. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question about a book
Quoting Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan, Oh, well. I remember that you have been on the list a long time. Good luck with your job hunting. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] construction ?
Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone have an idea as to how the blue on the plastron is constructed? Is it a section on material that has a wee bit of gather in the center and clipped on the sides? http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/cjackson/l/p-liotard2.htm You know it's *really* late when you look at that painting and the *first* thought that goes through your brain is, Oh, look. She's wearing a Mickey Mouse Watch . *blink* going to bed now. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII
Quoting Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, they will realize that there is quite a market if the price is reasonable. One can hope that they'll examine the sales of the Tudor Tailor . susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII
Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 06 December 2006 11:15 am, Susan B. Farmer wrote: Quoting Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: They have told me that the price has not been set yet. Hopefully, they will realize that there is quite a market if the price is reasonable. One can hope that they'll examine the sales of the Tudor Tailor . I hope they *don't*--if they do they may consider raising the price, :-( That would be insane! They should look at the sales and see how well something like that does at a reasonable price! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII
Quoting Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For those awaiting (such as I am) Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII, the publisher has informed me that the release date has been delayed to May 2007. Do you have any idea about how much it's going to cost? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of them was already brought forth and shot down which was the Donor in the birth of Mary fresco. the red and white outfit Though I still think the gold thingies are more of a tassel then a dag. The other one I think I did not save the url because I think it was a Salome character and I was not interested in the period at the time. It may have been dags and not gores. So my apologies for not being able to produce the picture to help in this matter. I usually save things for myself as I know that I can not teach worth anything and my organizational skills only make sense to me. De That's ok. I've seen a couple too -- but not the birth of Mary fresco that's been under discussion. One of this *is* a piece of a mural (and I doubt if I could find it now if I tried!) but I can't tell if the woman's dress has contrasting gores up the side, or if it's a giorna (? -- you know the overdress like you see in Ghirlandaio's paintings) that's belted around the body. The ladies are in the background and IIRC they're seated. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Catching up on old email From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] *snip* I have seen at least two Italian dresses that look as if they have different colored gores from the rest of the dress but not in the style that is on the Chimera site. Can you point me in the direction of those Italian Gowns? Thanks, Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Quoting Branwyn Maura [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the early middle ages on (it's an early step in the evolution of tailoring), but the use of a contrast gore for stylish effect is not really documentable for this period (I think there is some use of this technique in the 19th century, but I'm not sure). It looks really nifty, however. Makes me wish it *was* documentable... Oh, yeah. I'm with you on this one. I saw a nice gown once with a reversable brocade done like this -- it was very nice. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Quoting Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How much is 350 pounds? $700 USD -- approximately susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Quoting Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I should go into business. Wonder how many this company sells at those prices. Who Knows! But I could sure sell them a lot cheaper than that! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Blanche Payne
Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, sorry about this question, but i just wanted to know if this is the book that has pattern cuts in it? Blanche Paynes A History of Costume? http://tinyurl.com/yymkv5 Many thanks Unless somebody beats me to it, I'll check when I get home, Bjarne. I've got a copy that does have the patterns in it. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ?
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First, I can't read a word of this site. www.nb.no/.../html/italienske_tresnitt.html But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire coming out of it. Dawn, that URL doesn't seem to sork for me. It redirects to this http://www.nb.no/.../html/index.php which has no images on it. Were you by any chance caught in a frame? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ?
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dawn wrote: But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire coming out of it. Let me try that again. It mangled the link. http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html *NEAT* Those are just too cool. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Conqueror, with John Wayne? ( Said conqueror is Genghis Khan, right? Wasn't there one about The Vikings and Genghis Kahn? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] iridescent fabric/weaving ( mind over matter)
Quoting Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had one of those neat synchronicity moments recently: I thought to myself, Huh! I bet you could make an iridescent with more than just 2 colors. Why don't they? and the next day, I picked up a fabric order that included some iridescent silk taffeta, which to my surprised delight was a _3_ color iridescent. It looked taupe, but was actually pink and green weft on black warp. Very cool! I remember a gown in a 1994-5 Viennese exhibit (Modeschauraum des Historischen Museums der Stadt Wein) that was 3 color shot silk moire taffeta. This 1850 gown appears as old rose in color. It was actually grey pink crossed by soft blue. The gown is reprinted in the booklet/catalog is Vom Empire zur Belle Epoque, Wiener Damenmode (1805-1910), but you cant tell how delightful the result truly is. I have a similar fabric that I picked up at Hancocks of all places, except it's not really irridescent. It's a taffeta-ish weave (I can post a picture, but I don't know that you could tell), but it's pink on one side and lavender on the other! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Basic medieval costume sources
Depending on what you have in mind, this just might fit the bill http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M5207.htm?tab=costumespage=1 It has patterns for the veil and *drat* I've lost the word! I'm only coming up with barbette. *sigh* Brain Fade is an ugly thing. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fabric pattern/designs
When did Paisley begin to be seen in western European textiles? thanks, susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric pattern/designs
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:08:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When did Paisley begin to be seen in western European textiles? Some time in the early 1800s, when European weavers began making imitation cashmere shawls--among the first to do so were in Paisley, Scotland, hence the name. One of the factoids I enjoy telling people when I give talks on early 19th century costume. Really. I had it in my mind that it came from India/Persia (or at least *somewhere* in that neck of the woods) and that it was the pattern produced by block printing the side of the hand . Interesting tidbit nonetheless. Wonder where I got my erroneous info from? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Medieval Miscellanea #21
Quoting JAMES OGILVIE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It always seemed to me that the larger the size you were using, the longer they made the damned things. My ItalianRen gown had a skirt more than 18 longer than necessary. The woman who designed these patterns is quite tall so they are designed for her idea of a normal body. Who designed the MM patterns, do we know? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After looking at how some folks today build their 'historical' costumes, I expect to see 3pc suits made out of denim, My husband still has a 3-piece suit made out of denim ... My son wears it now . (but not with a grunge flannel shirt ...) Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Some old linen
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm clearing things out, and came across an old white linen tablecloth and four napkins. What size is the tablecloth? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Some old linen
Quoting Adele de Maisieres [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan Farmer wrote: *isgh* braif fart Isn't that that ghastly movie with Mel Gibson? ROTFLOLWTOOME! boy, when I can't type, I *really* can't type can I? *blush* susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
Quoting michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2) Are sleeve seams under the arm? That's the way they appear to me. Or down the back? It's a bit hard to say for sure. If you look at the peasants by Hans Sebald Beham of the similar timeframe, most almost certainly have seams going up under the arm, then in some other woodcuts of a similar subject also by Beham show a much earlier cut in the shoulders and seams down the back of the arm. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_3.jpg seam up the back of the arm. Cool pictures. I assume that these are from the same work. Do you have a URL for that? I tried backing through the image URL but it didn't work, and I don't have a clue what keywords to search for! Thanks, susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
Quoting michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_3.jpg Cool pictures. I assume that these are from the same work. Do you have a URL for that? I tried backing through the image URL but it didn't work, and I don't have a clue what keywords to search for! Unfortunately LACMA has super long URLs and those tinyurl things only last for so long;) I was going to write a how to to get to all the information pages but I figured if anyone was curious they would ask;) http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/ Then click search then type in Beham (or Beham peasant should get those specific woodcuts.) Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to know! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Humor -- natural fibers
Sorry for the cross-post, but this was just too funny! http://www.foxtrot.com/ If you're looking at this on a day other than Sunday, August 13, 2006 -- you want to see the comic for that particular day. susan/ jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
