Re: [h-cost] Dating an image
Hello! I am now officially curious. 😉 Any way that I can see this too? Cheers, Danielle > From: exst...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:25:41 -0500 > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dating an image > > Interesting piece! It's both right up my alley, and out of my area of > expertise. > > I've spent a couple of decades collecting images of ads from about > 1860-1970, so in that sense it's definitely my thing. I LOVE old > advertising/marketing/packaging. Frustratingly, though, just knowing when > the image on the glass is from won't really date the piece with certainty. > > This looks like the glass bottle packaging of some commercial product (I'm > not familiar with it, but I'm checking my files and will keep checking)--in > other words, not necessarily directly related to or produced by the > military, although probably marketed to it judging by the clothing, which > reminds me of WW1 women's volunteer or reserve uniforms. The image and > font used is most similar to the styles used starting around 1910, but > still used into the 1930s (and seen to some degree even later). > > However, the people who made logos and packaging and so forth back then > made use of clip art just as we do today; the same basic image (sometimes > with minor changes or updates) might be used and re-used in designs > throughout several years, and companies might go years or decades without > updating the design on their packaging. So, this bottle may have been > designed in the 1910s, but produced and purchased a decade or more later. > It's likeliest that you'd see this in the wartime 1910s (especially > considering the hairstyle; it could be a bob, but is more likely to be a > late 1910s non-bobbed-but-pulled-back-low female style), but it wouldn't > completely shock me if something like this popped up as late as the 1940s. > It'd be unusual, but not impossible. > > The area in which I have zero expertise, beyond a few minutes of searching > on Google, is one that might help you narrow it down better than the actual > image: the fact that the image is printed (or painted) in color on glass. > (Glass bottle packaging is a whole nother area of research than my own > paper-based ad research; there's lots of people who specialize in and > collect that.) This is an application of technology that might not have > become common as early as the 1910s; it's also possible that an expert on > the subject could tell what technique was used to get that image on the > glass, and come up with a date based on that. > > Long story short, gun to my head I'd say late 1910s, but only if I had to > give my last best guess, and the researchers would be well-served by > getting input from people who know about the history of glass packaging. > > Hope this helps, and I'm very interested in any conclusions the people > working on this eventually reach about the dating of the site! > -E House > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Cin wrote: > > > Did you send a picture? If so, it probably wont come thru on this list. > > You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything. > > > > --cin > > Cynthia Barnes > > cinbar...@gmail.com > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia > > wrote: > > > > > The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California > > > and is from the 20th century. We're trying to narrow down the decade. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > ___ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dating an image
Interesting piece! It's both right up my alley, and out of my area of expertise. I've spent a couple of decades collecting images of ads from about 1860-1970, so in that sense it's definitely my thing. I LOVE old advertising/marketing/packaging. Frustratingly, though, just knowing when the image on the glass is from won't really date the piece with certainty. This looks like the glass bottle packaging of some commercial product (I'm not familiar with it, but I'm checking my files and will keep checking)--in other words, not necessarily directly related to or produced by the military, although probably marketed to it judging by the clothing, which reminds me of WW1 women's volunteer or reserve uniforms. The image and font used is most similar to the styles used starting around 1910, but still used into the 1930s (and seen to some degree even later). However, the people who made logos and packaging and so forth back then made use of clip art just as we do today; the same basic image (sometimes with minor changes or updates) might be used and re-used in designs throughout several years, and companies might go years or decades without updating the design on their packaging. So, this bottle may have been designed in the 1910s, but produced and purchased a decade or more later. It's likeliest that you'd see this in the wartime 1910s (especially considering the hairstyle; it could be a bob, but is more likely to be a late 1910s non-bobbed-but-pulled-back-low female style), but it wouldn't completely shock me if something like this popped up as late as the 1940s. It'd be unusual, but not impossible. The area in which I have zero expertise, beyond a few minutes of searching on Google, is one that might help you narrow it down better than the actual image: the fact that the image is printed (or painted) in color on glass. (Glass bottle packaging is a whole nother area of research than my own paper-based ad research; there's lots of people who specialize in and collect that.) This is an application of technology that might not have become common as early as the 1910s; it's also possible that an expert on the subject could tell what technique was used to get that image on the glass, and come up with a date based on that. Long story short, gun to my head I'd say late 1910s, but only if I had to give my last best guess, and the researchers would be well-served by getting input from people who know about the history of glass packaging. Hope this helps, and I'm very interested in any conclusions the people working on this eventually reach about the dating of the site! -E House On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Cin wrote: > Did you send a picture? If so, it probably wont come thru on this list. > You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything. > > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > cinbar...@gmail.com > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia > wrote: > > > The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California > > and is from the 20th century. We're trying to narrow down the decade. > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dating an image
Did you send a picture? If so, it probably wont come thru on this list. You'll need to provide a link if you want people to see anything. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Hansen, Lia wrote: > The piece was found in a midden on a military base in Southern California > and is from the 20th century. We're trying to narrow down the decade. > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume