Re: [h-cost] Setting color question

2008-08-26 Thread Chris Laning
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>I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it  
>first.  My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne"  but 
>they have been out of it for a while.  It's a "color fixative for  cotton 
>fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water.  I've been  using it 
>on 
>linen with good results.  
> 
>What can I use instead?  Someone at the fabric store suggested white  
>vinegar, but she was not sure of the water temperature or amounts.  I would  
>like to 
>wash the linen in warm/hot water, if possible, to allow it to shrink  before I 
>use it.  I'll be doing it in the machine, since it is about six  yards.  

White vinegar is helpful _during_ the dyeing process for some dyes, but IMHO it 
doesn't do any good afterward -- it's helpful in dyeing when the acidity of the 
dyebath makes the dye "take" better. Nonetheless, it's widely recommended as a 
method of "fixing" dye and there are people who swear by it. My science 
education leads me to be very skeptical, though ;)

Your best bet is probably mail/internet order: I know Dharma Trading used to 
stock both the brand-name Retayne and their own generic version, and their 
service is quite fast and competent. 

Some commercial detergents do contain small amounts of something comparable -- 
they generally advertise on the box that they help keep colors fast. I've 
always relied on my little bottle of Retayne, so I don't know how well they 
work.

If you need something quickly and don't mind paying inflated prices for a 
couple of laundry loads' worth, the Rit dye company sells (or used to sell) a 
color fixer right there on the rack with their little dye packages. It's 
actually just Retayne, packaged in a little one-washer-load envelope, but you 
can sometimes find it in areas where there aren't a lot of specialized stores 
that would stock Retayne any other way. It might be called "Run Away" if my 
memory isn't playing tricks on me, but if you find it, read the box to be sure 
that's what it does.

In general, quilters are good people to ask about dye and marking questions, 
since when you sew little bits of various colored fabrics together on a routine 
basis, you encounter these problems a _lot_ .

There also exists a detergent called Synthropol which I think of (incorrectly) 
as the "opposite" of Retayne -- Synthropol is pretty effective at removing dye 
that has run onto somewhere it is *NOT* supposed to be (as when all your 
underwear comes out of the washer pink...). It does not "fix" the dye that is 
already attached to fibers: what it does is to remove any dye that is just 
hanging around in the cloth and _not_ firmly attached. 

Good luck: reds tend to be among the more difficult colors to keep where you 
want them ;)


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Re: [h-cost] Setting color question

2008-08-26 Thread Joan Jurancich

At 01:17 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

This has probably been addressed here before, but I don't remember the
advice (or it was before I joined).

I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it
first.  My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne"  but
they have been out of it for a while.  It's a "color fixative for  cotton
fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water.  I've 
been  using it on

linen with good results.

What can I use instead?  Someone at the fabric store suggested white
vinegar, but she was not sure of the water temperature or 
amounts.  I would  like to
wash the linen in warm/hot water, if possible, to allow it to 
shrink  before I

use it.  I'll be doing it in the machine, since it is about six  yards.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Catherine


I'd go to http://dharmatrading.com/ .  They sell everything you need 
for dyeing fabric.  And here's the direct link to a dye fixative 
http://dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1569-AA.shtml?lnav=chemicals.html .



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Re: [h-cost] Setting color question

2008-08-26 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 8/26/2008 4:18:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Someone  at the fabric store suggested white  
vinegar, but 


***
 
It depends of what the dye was. Procian dyes, like the kind you get from  
Dharma Trading Co, are fixed with soda ashwhich is the same as PH plus  
(alkaline) you get from a pool & spa place. Vinegar is PH minus (acid)  so 
 
Do you have any containers of the Retayne. Look and see what's in it. Acid  
or alkaline.  With the PH plus it's usually 1 cup to a gallon of water.  Don't 
know about the acid, but that's a good start. Doesn't Ritt make a  fixer? Do 
some tests.
 
If it's a commercial fabric, is it really that runny?
 
 



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Re: [h-cost] Setting color question

2008-08-26 Thread Dawn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This has probably been addressed here before, but I don't remember the  
advice (or it was before I joined).  
 
I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it  
first.  My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne"  but 
they have been out of it for a while.  It's a "color fixative for  cotton 
fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water.  I've been  using it on 
linen with good results.   


You should be able to mail order Retayne from any number of quilting web 
stores. Or, if you have specialty quilt shops in your area, check with 
them, too.




Dawn


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[h-cost] Setting color question

2008-08-26 Thread CBellfleur
This has probably been addressed here before, but I don't remember the  
advice (or it was before I joined).  
 
I have some dark red linen that I would like to use, but I want to wash it  
first.  My local fabric store usually carries a product called "Retayne"  but 
they have been out of it for a while.  It's a "color fixative for  cotton 
fabrics" according to the label and is used in hot water.  I've been  using it 
on 
linen with good results.  
 
What can I use instead?  Someone at the fabric store suggested white  
vinegar, but she was not sure of the water temperature or amounts.  I would  
like to 
wash the linen in warm/hot water, if possible, to allow it to shrink  before I 
use it.  I'll be doing it in the machine, since it is about six  yards.  
 
Any advice?
 
Thanks,
Catherine 
 
 



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