Re: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan
> > portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the > > Tudor time > > period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one > > know of a > > portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this > > fashion just > > disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? I just found this last night: http://tinyurl.com/2emcwc or the original link: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=2435677&iSaleNo=11912 "Portrait of Sir Thomas Radcliffe, 3rd Earl of Sussex (1526/7-83) , three-quarter-length, in the robes, collar and George of the Order of the Garter, holding the Lord Chamberlain's white rod" "The present portrait can be counted among those that post-date his appointment as Lord Chamberlain in 1572, since he is depicted here holding the white rod of this office." Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan
>From my understanding, Livery collars were replaced by gold chains for everyday wear which would sometimes have a pendant of some sort hanging from it, like a miniature portrait or if say the person is of the Order of the fleece, they would have a gold fleece/sheep pendant in the time of Elizabeth's reign. During ceremonies/formal functions of Orders the collar would be worn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schatzkammer_Wien_Collane_Orden_vom_Golde nen_Vlies.jpg Also, certain offices and Mayoral offices retained the collars. After doing a little more browsing on the subject I found (zoomable) http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?locid=308&rNo=3 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Burghley_Garter_Robes.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Thomas_howard_suffolk.jpg So from what I have found, unless he is claiming to be of an Order, he really should not wear one and probably not while strolling around the streets. De -Original Message- I would think that they must exist because the great chains still exist. I've been privileged to see the Lady Mayor of Sheffield and the Lord Mayor of Bath wearing their town's great chains. The thing would be to locate a picture of someone with their regalia on. How about Sir Henry Lee, Elizabeth's Champion? Regina > I have not seen any Elizabethan men's > portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the > Tudor time > period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one > know of a > portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this > fashion just > disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? > > > > Thanks--Diane > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan
I would think that they must exist because the great chains still exist. I've been privileged to see the Lady Mayor of Sheffield and the Lord Mayor of Bath wearing their town's great chains. The thing would be to locate a picture of someone with their regalia on. How about Sir Henry Lee, Elizabeth's Champion? Regina > I have not seen any Elizabethan men's > portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the > Tudor time > period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one > know of a > portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this > fashion just > disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? > > > > Thanks--Diane > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan
I have a question for the list. He is a singer at our local Renaissance Festival and is required to be a nobleman. I made an elaborate beaded men's doublet and panes for him (along the lines of the famous painting of the pearled jerkin and panes outfit of Sir Walter Ralegh) that he has now picked up and loves but, he wanted to know what kind of Chain of Office he might be able to put with the outfit. I have not seen any Elizabethan men's portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the Tudor time period; only single chains with medallions hanging. Does any one know of a portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this fashion just disappeared by Elizabeth's reign? Thanks--Diane ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
