RE: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan

2007-09-18 Thread otsisto 
From my understanding, Livery collars were replaced by gold chains for
everyday wear which would sometimes have a pendant of some sort hanging from
it, like a miniature portrait or if say the person is of the Order of the
fleece, they would have a gold fleece/sheep pendant in the time of
Elizabeth's reign.
During ceremonies/formal functions of Orders the collar would be worn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schatzkammer_Wien_Collane_Orden_vom_Golde
nen_Vlies.jpg

Also, certain offices and Mayoral offices retained the collars.

After doing a little more browsing on the subject I found
(zoomable)
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?locid=308rNo=3

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Burghley_Garter_Robes.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Thomas_howard_suffolk.jpg

So from what I have found, unless he is claiming to be of an Order, he
really should not wear one and probably not while strolling around the
streets.

De
-Original Message-

I would think that they must exist because the great chains still exist.
I've been privileged to see the Lady Mayor of Sheffield and the Lord Mayor
of Bath wearing their town's great chains.  The thing would be to locate a
picture of someone with their regalia on.

How about Sir Henry Lee, Elizabeth's Champion?

Regina


 I have not seen any Elizabethan men's
 portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the
 Tudor time
 period; only single chains with medallions hanging.  Does any one
 know of a
 portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this
 fashion just
 disappeared by Elizabeth's reign?



 Thanks--Diane



___
h-costume mailing list
h-costume@mail.indra.com
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume


___
h-costume mailing list
h-costume@mail.indra.com
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] chain of office for Elizabethan

2007-09-18 Thread michaela de bruce 
  portraits with them wearing a chain of office like we saw in the
  Tudor time
  period; only single chains with medallions hanging.  Does any one
  know of a
  portrait that would display what he is looking for or had this
  fashion just
  disappeared by Elizabeth's reign?

I just found this last night:
http://tinyurl.com/2emcwc
or the original link:
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EURscreen=lotdetailsNoFlashiSaleItemNo=2435677iSaleNo=11912

Portrait of Sir Thomas Radcliffe, 3rd Earl of Sussex (1526/7-83) ,
three-quarter-length, in the robes, collar and George of the Order of
the Garter, holding the Lord Chamberlain's white rod
The present portrait can be counted among those that post-date his
appointment as Lord Chamberlain in 1572, since he is depicted here
holding the white rod of this office.


Michaela de Bruce
http://glittersweet.com
___
h-costume mailing list
h-costume@mail.indra.com
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume