Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC

And we won't even go into the Spanish weirdness, which is an entire 'nother topic all on its own. :-) My first quick impression on seeing the first picture was Spanish. They had a number of strange sideless surcoat variations. Janet ___

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These are not young girls - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional thing for a woman to do, in a part of the world that tends to unusual fashions, and then the picture is from a different country, so who

[h-cost] women's costume late 13thC

Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting: http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg Note the cut of the sideless surcote and the minimal

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Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls? Lauren [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timetraveltextiles.com -- Original message -- From: Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting:

Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC

Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography, of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have thought she would have worn? Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the fillets on

Re: [h-cost] women's costume late 13thC

Unmarried maidens in the Maciejowski Bible wear fillets and their hair down--I can't at the moment bring any other examples to mind without the library being to hand, though. I *would*, however, like to see more manuscripts from the same time and similar places to compare before I feel

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It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts (the few that were there) show this. Much more variation in headgear in the men's portraits. Informal settings? Maybe to show an unconventional lifestyle? Hippies of the 13th C? Beth Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38

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I was just thinking that very thing. Sort of romanticizing this apparently Bohemian (in the hippy sense) woman. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts (the few that were there) show

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Uh-oh. Whenever I let slip that I think anything might be evidence of the existence of unconventional persons in any time period before the 19th century, I know that shortly I will get shot down for it. You guys better duck! ;-) Lauren [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timetraveltextiles.com

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On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: Note the cut of the sideless surcote and the minimal headcovering (a ribbon?). On the page 93 detail, note the fur lined cloak and what appears to be buttons down the front bodice (buttons are shown along the sleeves of the GFD

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These are from two different manuscript copies (the BNE Ms. francais 854 Chansonnier provencal I and the BNE Ms. francais 12473 Chansonnier provencal K.. from copies in France)... but I would also like to see additional. I have a copy of the Maciejowski Bible and am looking for other images.

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Yes, I was a bit sloppy calling this a GFD. Sorry. Only the elbow to wrist is closely fitted and buttoned. The rest is the standard loose 'tunica' of rectilinear construction. You can see some seam evidence (where the arms are attached) in some of the images. Beth Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008