Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing

2005-07-13 Thread Robin Netherton
Fran quoted me as saying: l, yes. Attractive, definitely not. and responded: There is attractiveness that is not a come-on with examples such as: dress noticeably well and are well groomed look very sharp display success. high-fashion clothes We are not in disagreement. That was

Re: [h-cost] The purpose of clothing

2005-07-14 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Young wrote: Robin Netherton wrote: I know a scholar who has done two books so far on the significance of the clothing descriptions on Chaucer's general prologue to the Canterbury Tales, if you want a good set of examples of cues that the medieval reader

Re: [h-cost] Alen/ell?

2005-07-14 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lauren Walker wrote: Cool, thank you. But to revert to my original question -- is there anyplace where the various known ells have been compiled for comparison and/or reference? You know, English ell, 15th century, 1.25 modern yards; Icelandinc ell, 14th century, 19.5

Re: [h-cost] RE: Tunic terminology

2005-07-15 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Marc Carlson wrote: From: Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you skip a cite there? I don't see something which says it wasn't worn with some kind of body linen layer under it. a body garment or coat seems to imply tunic could apply to both layers. I think we're

Re: [h-cost] launching a new Am I Period or Not website (cross post)

2005-07-27 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: I will do what I can to stop image theft but I don't have the resources to search the internet every time somebody submits a picture so, I'm going to work on a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. However I will keep a record of the name

Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles

2005-07-28 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: I was talking to Boydell Brewer today (placing last minute Pennsic order) and they said it's selling quite well. My response was that I hoped that meant that I hoped on the next one they would increase your budget for photos and color plates. You

Re: [h-cost] Late 15th Century ornamentation and other questions.

2005-08-05 Thread Robin Netherton
Skipping to the most pertinent question regarding the Cluny unicorn tapestries 3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer? The latter, in large part. Overall, the Lady's dresses include quite a number of elements that I've

Re: [h-cost] Re: linnen stains

2005-08-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Mia Dappert wrote: Personally I would try everything., except bleach on linnen. I have had BAD bad experiences with material deteriorating when I used chlorine bleach. It was long enough ago, that I can't remember what exactly the material was, and the situation I used

Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update

2005-08-12 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Catrijn vanden Westhende wrote: I'd love to hear otherwise (so I can plan ;-) ), but I doubt the location for next year has been announced yet (perhaps not even decided at this point). Last year was in eastern Ohio, and I didn't hear about this year's location until

[h-cost] Just for fun: Historic paper dolls

2005-08-19 Thread Robin Netherton
of it amusing if you don't take it very seriously. --Robin == Robin Netherton // Editor at Large [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. ___ h

Re: [h-cost] re: Gores

2005-08-31 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Cin wrote: Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were working by hand -- this was never designed to be

Re: [h-cost] re: Gores

2005-08-31 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Marie Stewart wrote: I hand sew everything... and my gores are razor sharp. All it ever takes is practice. As for no gores in the 13th century being sharp... Just how many extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I would personally think that gores varied

[h-cost] Literary fashion (humor)

2005-09-01 Thread Robin Netherton
I found these amusing: http://www.geist.com/comix/comix.php?id=15 http://www.geist.com/comix/comix.php?id=3 --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] belted houppelandes

2005-09-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Kathryn Parke wrote: Could someone walk me through the process of belting a houppelande just below the bustline? How did they keep the belts there, without having it walk itself down to the natural waistline? In addition to the good advice already given, I've found it's

Re: Milia Davenport (was Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

2005-09-05 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Ann Catelli wrote: Many of the brasses are not rubbings or photographs, And it really makes a difference. One of the brass images in Davenport (from King's Lynn, Norfolk -- either Braunche or Walsokne, I forget which she shows) has a crucial error in the decoration that

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing/Victorian tournament

2005-09-05 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: Eglington Tournament which took place (or not!) in 1839. Albert, Queen Victoria's husband, was very interested in the medieval period, as were a number of people in England - hence all the Victorian Gothic architecture. If you want to read more about

Re: [h-cost] belted houppelandes

2005-09-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: I took a pic of the back of a statue in the Cluny Museum in Paris. Wow. I took at least 10 36-exposure rolls of film at the Cluny, and I don't remember this statue at all. (But it might be somewhere in the slides I haven't categorized.) Good

[h-cost] My upcoming lecture schedule

2005-09-22 Thread Robin Netherton
A number of you have asked me to keep you updated on my lecture appearances. I have two trips upcoming. Sat., Nov. 18, St. Cloud, Minnesota: Clothier's Seminar North. Lots of classes; I'll be doing four lectures. They're listed on the website, here:

Re: [h-cost] A previous question

2005-09-26 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Helen Pinto wrote: My turn- Earlier this year, there was a question about a small rectangular object hanging from the belt of a male saint, I think. Can anyone point me to a more specific reference? Do you mean this?

Re: [h-cost] RE: What are These?

2005-09-28 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Dawn wrote: McClure, Kate wrote: The image is from the artist Joos van Cleve (found under the C's) on his third page, seventh image down. They look like tassels to me. I'm not a religious iconography expert, but I bet she's supposed to be Mary Magdalen, and that

Re: [h-cost] Tippets

2005-10-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first volume of _Medieval Clothing Textiles_

RE: [h-cost] Tippets

2005-10-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, otsisto wrote: Is it possible that since sleeves were seamed on the sides and usually not underneath that the sleeve seams are open from wrist to lower bicep. Top of forearm sleeve is removed leaving the lower forearm sleeve. Opening a long sleeve halfway up is one of

Re: [h-cost] Tippets / wimples

2005-10-10 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Jean Waddie wrote: I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval (Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it

Re: [h-cost] Book on Lady and the Unicorn Tapestries

2005-10-13 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote: I don't remember who, but at least one person had mentioned a book/catalogue about these tapestries. This is the result I finally got from a book search site. THE LADY AND THE UNICORN. Erlande-Brandenburg. Editions de la Reunion, 1989. VG+.

Re: [h-cost] Vair

2005-10-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Dawn wrote: Does anybody know why vair was considerd an upper class fur? Surely squirrels must have been as common as rats or rabbits. I'd highly recommend a book mentioned often on this list: Elspeth Veale's The English Fur Trade in the Later Middle Ages. Thoroughly

Re: [h-cost] Vair

2005-10-19 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Kate M Bunting wrote: Out of curiosity, Robin, do you know if the Baltic squirrel was a distinct species, or a local variant of the European squirrel Sciurus vulgaris? British ones (now sadly rare) are bright red, and I've seen dark brown ones in Switzerland. I can

Re: [h-cost] A Holiday idea

2005-10-24 Thread Robin Netherton
I won't have time to make anything (and most of what little I do make is not in the token range anyway) but I have a huge stash of fabrics, art postcards, trims, patterns, etc. that I'd be delighted to delve into, if that's acceptable. I think I could find *something* that would be appropriate

[h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report

2005-10-27 Thread Robin Netherton
and topics, but I can't tell you what yet! --Robin (feel free to forward this message in its entirety) == Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume

RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report

2005-10-28 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote: Bless you for doing some late period stuff! I have mine on preorder already! We can't hit everything every time, but we're trying to make the rounds ;-) Vol. 1 was a good choice for Anglo-Saxon specialists; this one is more of a Renaissance volume.

RE: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report

2005-10-28 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, how can we get Vol. 1? You can see the contents here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM You can also order from there (that's the publisher website) but at the moment Amazon has a better price:

Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange -REMINDER

2005-10-29 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Dawn wrote: Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. The sign-up deadline is Tuesday, November 1st. If you have not sent me your mailing address and introduction (see below) you are not signed up. Which means all the people who said Sure, count me in during

Re: [h-cost] MCT vol. 2, progress report

2005-10-29 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Lalah wrote: How in the heck did anyone manage to order this book from Amazon? I have tried every way I know (and I have been buying from Amazon since they started) and I can not get them to acknowledge such a book is ever going to exist. Thanks for any help you can

Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification

2005-11-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Carol Kocian wrote: So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my assignment, and I'd kinda like to talk to this person. Sounds like we have a lot in common! I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the gift. But

Re: [h-cost] embroidery supplies

2005-11-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens jackets, are embroidered with? ... Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two!

Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday Gift exchange - question...clarification

2005-11-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote: I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list! Post privately to someone on the list who you know might

Re: [h-cost] early Knitting and crochet

2005-11-09 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: There is quite possibly a translation problem as English is not the author's native language. The question lies in the terms crochet and needle, after all, knitting needles don't have holes in them either! The possibility exists that the term

Re: [h-cost] Modern interpretations of period plays/opera/ballet

2005-11-26 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: But I cannot get over the ballet wall, even though I saw Nureyev and Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.) Oh wow. I'm just the opposite. I can barely

Re: [h-cost] Re: theater costumes in general

2005-11-27 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Gail Scott Finke wrote: If a production is going to be done in some sort of avant-garde style, the company owes it to the public to make it clear in the advertisements, etc. Many people really do go see a production, especially if it's a rarely done production, to get

Re: [h-cost] books on Tudor artifacts (was: New Medieval Gallery ...)

2005-11-28 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, E House wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-1649257-0753564?v=glancen=283155s=booksv=glance or http://snipurl.com/kav3 Can anyone compare the two, taking into account that the latter from amazon is 1/3 the price of the former? Amazon is wrong --

Re: [h-cost] soulletz herigaudz definition

2005-11-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Stephanie Smith wrote: Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes chescun ionr e nomement a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre honour garder ne pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en

[h-cost] What periods for these fabrics?

2005-12-01 Thread Robin Netherton
In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost nothing about

RE: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics?

2005-12-02 Thread Robin Netherton
find this to be a valid argument for a variety of reasons (chiefly that a wool garment doesn't have to be hot!), but it's a common one. (Now: PLEASE don't anyone go saying Robin Netherton says they never used linen in period! As I've tried to make clear, I'm talking about a specific sort of use

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-02 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, E House wrote: Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet (I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics?

2005-12-02 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright redblack (I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!) * You

Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outer garments

2005-12-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe -- well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the wall (chimney?) of a house. http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html -- Mara Surely there is

Re: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/17th c. linen outergarments

2005-12-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, E House wrote: At least for me, the reason I responded with the info I gave was that, to me, this question implies that you see dyed linen as useless for _any_ part of medieval clothing, rather than just for outer layer stuff. If you remove the fabric from your stash,

RE: [h-cost] Re: What periods for these fabrics?/back to medieval

2005-12-03 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten path I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed linen for outerwear. My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore is one of the reasons

RE: [h-cost] Re: Disposing of fabric

2005-12-05 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote: Use for drafts. I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a draft. Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading. Must be winter. --Robin who

[h-cost] Another h-cost archive?

2005-12-13 Thread Robin Netherton
I have just noticed that h-costume has been archived at mail-archive.com since August: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html The buttons at the bottom get you to the messages. I don't know whether mail-archive found us on its own, or someone set us up there, or how

[h-cost] Update, my lectures in Portland, Oregon

2005-12-16 Thread Robin Netherton
I promised to post information on my upcoming lecture appearance in Portland, Oregon, when it became available. The registration information is now online here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classesit=5433 or here:

Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts

2005-12-27 Thread Robin Netherton
Few people dare to get me costume-related gifts because I don't need fabrics/trims/patterns (I have a huge stash and extremely particular needs, plus I sew relatively few things these days). And I buy my research-related materials outright so I can deduct them on my taxes. So nearly all my

Re: [h-cost] Holiday gifts

2005-12-27 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: A Perfect Red, by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used in textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal) Mauve, by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular dye) I heard an interview with the

Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts

2005-12-28 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote: The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've used them both already and they really

Re: [h-cost] Re: Holiday/Secret Santa Gifts

2005-12-29 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!! Who was your generous giver? (Still waiting for my recipient to check in...) Hmmm now I am wondering where I can get fuscia linen to make something for an event on Jan 14th I have

Re: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting?

2005-12-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kathy Page wrote: I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in. *G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of

RE: [h-cost] Have you seen this painting?

2005-12-30 Thread Robin Netherton
De and others wrote: ... Giovanni Bahuet ... That would explain that! I wonder why an Italian book used the French form of the name. Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was necessary to recreate

Re: [h-cost] Christmas presents

2005-12-31 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, E House wrote, about Geoff Egan's new Tudor artifacts book: I don't know much more about it than what shows up on Amazon and on Oxbow, except that Robin Netherton asked the publisher about it, and heard that they're hoping to get it out by the end of the year. And now

Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting?

2005-12-31 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Dawn wrote: otsisto wrote: or this http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg only a little more fitted in the bodice region. What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the

Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting?

2005-12-31 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robin Netherton wrote: I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino ... Nope. Tawny points out that when you blow it up, you can see clearly it's fabric. I didn't see that on my browser, but when I saved and enlarged the image, I could see clearly that it loops up behind her hand

Re: [h-cost] Re: Have you seen this painting?

2005-12-31 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote: This painting http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/byswr is simply listed as Florentine with no specific artist attributed. It's almost *identical* to the painting from

[h-cost] This year's calendar selection

2006-01-08 Thread Robin Netherton
I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing medieval aside from one Angels calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar, neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a Camelot calendar full

Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection

2006-01-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space photos, and Edward Gorey.) Wonder if the publisher would respond to a letter writing campaign?

Re: [h-cost] This year's calendar selection

2006-01-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the Hildebrandt or movie stuff. Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it. It has been in every store I've seen. The cover is yellowish

RE: [h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear

2006-01-10 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/2006 17:23 This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did 16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I know, but how were they held up? We don't really know - such

Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear

2006-01-10 Thread Robin Netherton
Heather's point about drawers/braies/breeches = masculinity is paramount. Beyond that, though, the lack of underwear on women is not nearly so impractical as some people seem to assume. To begin with, it's worth noting that underwear worn with a long skirt can make toileting really awkward,

Re: [h-cost] Linen burn testing

2006-01-11 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Dawn Luckham wrote: Use your microscope and have a look at your fibers under 250x to 500x magnification. Flax fibers (linen) have a somewhat bamboo looking shape. You get the bamboo like segments and when viewed in cross section there is actually a dark looking

Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers

2006-01-11 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Gail Scott Finke wrote: Robin wrote: Just as one data point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume, Too much information!! Too much information!! I prefer not to know who is going commando in my vicinity. Sorry -- given the topic (whether cold

Re: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news?

2006-01-14 Thread Robin Netherton
://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843832038 Feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions. --Robin == Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume

Re: [h-cost] Sergers past topics

2006-01-15 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, angelalazear wrote: Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old topic threads? No help from me on sergers -- I've never used one -- but to find the archives, follow the directions on the h-cost info page, URL at the bottom of all messages:

Re: [h-cost]April 1, was Medieval Clothing and Textiles II--Any news?

2006-01-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote: If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too! Ooh, I didn't know that! Thanks! Now I can tease my publisher ;-) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] knuckle length sleeves - how to?

2006-01-17 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Lena wrote: I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness. It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are

Re: [h-cost] Ammonia and Bleach or Vinegar and Bleach

2006-01-17 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Penny Ladnier wrote: Also don't mix bleach with Lime-Away. My husband was cleaning his bathroom last year. He picked up what he thought was an empty unmarked spray bottle, and poured bleach into it Thankfully because I got my husband to the hospital quickly, he did

Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers

2006-01-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, jlkelley wrote: KP Looking up sangue in Florios' 1611 Italian-English KP Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives KP that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood. KP Looking up menses I get a period (pardon the pun) KP term for a woman's monthly: KP

Re: [h-cost] Re: drawers

2006-01-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Dawn wrote: jlkelley wrote: Flowers has been slang for quite a long time, and probably has an association with flowering and fertility, fruit and childbearing. OED has it back to c. 1400: c1400 Rel. Ant. I. 190 A woman schal in the harme blede For stoppyng of hure

Re: [h-cost] More OT: to Brits (WAS: Seriously off topic - need advice)

2006-01-25 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Chris Laning wrote: What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over there or especially American? grin I have had good luck with Vermont maple syrup and local wines (I have always lived in

Re: [h-cost] RE: Gifts for Brits

2006-01-26 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: Makes me think of one of my favorite scenes in Fried Green Tomatoes when the would be woman's libber opens the door to greet her husband at night all done up in just plastic... Actually, the saran-wrap thing was originally suggested by Marabel

[h-cost] 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-29 Thread Robin Netherton
If you were looking for information on 16th c. costume in written sources, whose research/publications would you seek, other than Janet Arnold's? And: Does anyone know if Jane Ashelford is still active, and if so, where she can be located? --Robin

Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-29 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, E House wrote: By 16thC, do you mean British Elizabethan, or 16thC everywhere and in general? Sorry -- British, but not just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in finding people known for doing work on the first half of the 16th c.). --Robin

Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-29 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of print. Published, I think in the 50's. I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems to be a gap here in current work :-( --Robin

Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-29 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: I see in another post you're clarified that you mean British, but not just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in finding people known for doing work on the first half of the 16th c.). -- but I'm not entirely sure if by this you actually mean

Re: [h-cost] Re: Gifts for Brits

2006-01-29 Thread Robin Netherton
a recent MEDATS conference. I hope there will be many more! --Robin == Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries

Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, michael tartaglio wrote: Hi, Robin. There were a whole series of articles written in a variety of languages in Waffen und Kostumkunde in the 70s and 80s. Some of the authors are still around. I have found many specialists out there, though, that handle detail info

Re: [h-cost] What makes and expert Was: 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote: Whoops, email etiquette slipped, here is a repost with a different header... Heh -- and I've already answered under 16th c. costume experts! Sorry! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] re: costume experts

2006-01-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote: Robin inquired: I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems to be a gap here in current work :-( The authors of Moda Firenze, Lo Stylo di Eleanora can be found at the Pitti Palace. There seems to be a great deal going on in

Re: [h-cost] 16th c. costume experts?

2006-01-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote: Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming, or? Someone who has access to primary sources? In my experience, the answer varies with the type of task at hand.

Re: [h-cost] extant wardrobe inventories

2006-01-30 Thread Robin Netherton
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote: The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and Cool! I had no idea one even existed!

Re: [h-cost] Book Alert - Inventories of Henry VIII

2006-02-04 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72 I paid $170 for my copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought it a bargain. This is simply an

Re: [h-cost] interpretation of an image

2006-02-04 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Kimiko Small wrote: At 06:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a second opinion of what he is wearing.

Re: [h-cost] h-cost digest 107

2006-02-05 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, katherine sanders wrote: Hello! Could someone please send me the digest 107? I can't find it in my in-box and Im worried I missed a message for me. Try checking recent messages at these sites: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/maillist.html

Re: [h-cost] the Fram Oil Filter hat politics

2006-02-07 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Cynthia Virtue wrote: One of the interesting things about the Magdalen's hat is the motto on it; I don't think I've ever heard what it says, as it's barely legible in only a few reproductions. It's much clearer in person, but it's in Hebrew, so I couldn't read it. (It's

RE: [h-cost] period fastenings

2006-02-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic fitted dresses (usually referred to as

Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering

2006-02-08 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head in the Canterbury Tales: Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground, I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed. Mainly I'm wondering about

Re: [h-cost] Wife of Bath's headcovering

2006-02-09 Thread Robin Netherton
--- Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head ... Just occurred to me, Laura Hodges would certainly have addressed this in her book on Chaucer and Costume, which has chapters on most or all of the secular pilgrims. (The

Re: [h-cost] O.T.

2006-02-10 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator friend, and see what I can see. If I still lived there,

Re: [h-cost] Help Identify 19th Century Painting

2006-02-10 Thread Robin Netherton
Definitely not pre-Raphaelite, on stylistic grounds alone. The pre-Raphaelites did not do formal portraits of men in suits in front of drapery, and did not use these highly refined techniques of light and shadow, which for them were a mark of the traditional style they were rebelling against.

Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-15 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: I'd like to see That one...(And who said that Victorians were lacking in a sense of humor... when it came to Dress? Some of the examples I use during my talk on the Victorian view of historic costume come from a book called Fancy Dresses Described,

Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress

2006-02-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: [about Fancy Dresses Described, by Ardern Holt:] I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that would amuse women at Tea. I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book (went into five or six editions) so

Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress

2006-02-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: I have a copy if you have problems finding one. Not all the illustrations are there, but as I picked it up cheap on E-bay, I was quite happy. OH, I am jealous! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list

Re: Victorian ideas of Renaissance clothing, was Re:[h-cost]italianchilds renaissance dress

2006-02-16 Thread Robin Netherton
I wrote: [about Fancy Dresses Described, by Ardern Holt:] I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book (went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of collections. Following Suzi's comment, I just found a bunch of them on bookfinder; the

Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)

2006-02-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Susan Farmer wrote: Hey Robin! Thanks for thinking of me! A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of Sienna.

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