Fran quoted me as saying:
l, yes. Attractive, definitely not.
and responded:
There is attractiveness that is not a come-on
with examples such as:
dress noticeably well and are well groomed
look very sharp
display success.
high-fashion clothes
We are not in disagreement. That was
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Young wrote:
Robin Netherton wrote:
I know a scholar who has done two books so far on the significance of
the clothing descriptions on Chaucer's general prologue to the
Canterbury Tales, if you want a good set of examples of cues that the
medieval reader
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lauren Walker wrote:
Cool, thank you. But to revert to my original question -- is there
anyplace where the various known ells have been compiled for
comparison and/or reference? You know, English ell, 15th century,
1.25 modern yards; Icelandinc ell, 14th century, 19.5
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Marc Carlson wrote:
From: Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did you skip a cite there? I don't see something which says it wasn't
worn with some kind of body linen layer under it. a body garment or
coat seems to imply tunic could apply to both layers.
I think we're
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Elizabeth Walpole wrote:
I will do what I can to stop image theft but I don't have the
resources to search the internet every time somebody submits a picture
so, I'm going to work on a presumption of innocence until proven
guilty. However I will keep a record of the name
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, JAMES OGILVIE wrote:
I was talking to Boydell Brewer today (placing last minute Pennsic
order) and they said it's selling quite well. My response was that I
hoped that meant that I hoped on the next one they would increase your
budget for photos and color plates.
You
Skipping to the most pertinent question regarding the Cluny unicorn
tapestries
3. Can these be considered a reliable source or are they more the
fanciful creations of the tapestries' designer?
The latter, in large part. Overall, the Lady's dresses include quite a
number of elements that I've
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Mia Dappert wrote:
Personally I would try everything., except bleach on linnen. I have
had BAD bad experiences with material deteriorating when I used
chlorine bleach. It was long enough ago, that I can't remember what
exactly the material was, and the situation I used
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Catrijn vanden Westhende wrote:
I'd love to hear otherwise (so I can plan ;-) ), but I doubt the
location for next year has been announced yet (perhaps not even
decided at this point). Last year was in eastern Ohio, and I didn't
hear about this year's location until
of it
amusing if you don't take it very seriously.
--Robin
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Cin wrote:
Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can
be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of
frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were
working by hand -- this was never designed to be
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Marie Stewart wrote:
I hand sew everything... and my gores are razor sharp. All it ever
takes is practice. As for no gores in the 13th century being sharp...
Just how many extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I
would personally think that gores varied
I found these amusing:
http://www.geist.com/comix/comix.php?id=15
http://www.geist.com/comix/comix.php?id=3
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Kathryn Parke wrote:
Could someone walk me through the process of belting a houppelande
just below the bustline? How did they keep the belts there, without
having it walk itself down to the natural waistline?
In addition to the good advice already given, I've found it's
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Ann Catelli wrote:
Many of the brasses are not rubbings or photographs,
And it really makes a difference. One of the brass images in Davenport
(from King's Lynn, Norfolk -- either Braunche or Walsokne, I forget which
she shows) has a crucial error in the decoration that
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote:
Eglington Tournament which took place (or not!) in 1839. Albert,
Queen Victoria's husband, was very interested in the medieval period,
as were a number of people in England - hence all the Victorian Gothic
architecture. If you want to read more about
On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:
I took a pic of the back of a statue in the Cluny Museum in Paris.
Wow. I took at least 10 36-exposure rolls of film at the Cluny, and I
don't remember this statue at all. (But it might be somewhere in the
slides I haven't categorized.)
Good
A number of you have asked me to keep you updated on my lecture
appearances. I have two trips upcoming.
Sat., Nov. 18, St. Cloud, Minnesota: Clothier's Seminar North. Lots of
classes; I'll be doing four lectures. They're listed on the website, here:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Helen Pinto wrote:
My turn-
Earlier this year, there was a question about a small rectangular object
hanging from the belt of a male saint, I think. Can anyone point me to a
more specific reference?
Do you mean this?
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Dawn wrote:
McClure, Kate wrote:
The image is from the artist Joos van Cleve (found under the C's) on his
third page, seventh image down.
They look like tassels to me. I'm not a religious iconography expert,
but I bet she's supposed to be Mary Magdalen, and that
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote:
I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were
made.
As Mari noted, tippets are an interest of mine, and I have put essentially
everything I know about them into an article that appeared in the first
volume of _Medieval Clothing Textiles_
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, otsisto wrote:
Is it possible that since sleeves were seamed on the sides and usually
not underneath that the sleeve seams are open from wrist to lower
bicep. Top of forearm sleeve is removed leaving the lower forearm
sleeve.
Opening a long sleeve halfway up is one of
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Jean Waddie wrote:
I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval
(Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a
single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and
shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Kahlara wrote:
I don't remember who, but at least one person had mentioned a
book/catalogue about these tapestries. This is the result I finally
got from a book search site.
THE LADY AND THE UNICORN.
Erlande-Brandenburg.
Editions de la Reunion, 1989. VG+.
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Dawn wrote:
Does anybody know why vair was considerd an upper class fur? Surely
squirrels must have been as common as rats or rabbits.
I'd highly recommend a book mentioned often on this list: Elspeth Veale's
The English Fur Trade in the Later Middle Ages. Thoroughly
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Kate M Bunting wrote:
Out of curiosity, Robin, do you know if the Baltic squirrel was a
distinct species, or a local variant of the European squirrel Sciurus
vulgaris? British ones (now sadly rare) are bright red, and I've seen
dark brown ones in Switzerland. I can
I won't have time to make anything (and most of what little I do make is
not in the token range anyway) but I have a huge stash of fabrics, art
postcards, trims, patterns, etc. that I'd be delighted to delve into, if
that's acceptable. I think I could find *something* that would be
appropriate
and
topics, but I can't tell you what yet!
--Robin
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, monica spence wrote:
Bless you for doing some late period stuff! I have mine on preorder
already!
We can't hit everything every time, but we're trying to make the rounds
;-)
Vol. 1 was a good choice for Anglo-Saxon specialists; this one is more of
a Renaissance volume.
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robin, how can we get Vol. 1?
You can see the contents here:
http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM
You can also order from there (that's the publisher website) but at the
moment Amazon has a better price:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Dawn wrote:
Just a reminder to folks who want to participate. The sign-up deadline
is Tuesday, November 1st.
If you have not sent me your mailing address and introduction (see
below) you are not signed up.
Which means all the people who said Sure, count me in during
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Lalah wrote:
How in the heck did anyone manage to order this book from Amazon? I
have tried every way I know (and I have been buying from Amazon since
they started) and I can not get them to acknowledge such a book is
ever going to exist. Thanks for any help you can
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Carol Kocian wrote:
So we are NOT supposed to know who sent us our gift? I just got my
assignment, and I'd kinda like to talk to this person. Sounds
like we have a lot in common!
I think the idea is that you reveal who you are when you send the
gift. But
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote:
After you sended the link to chenilles et pappilons, i have wondered. Does
anybody know where i could get such oval silver spangels, as one of the mens
jackets, are embroidered with? ...
Small tiny oval glassbeads would be a treassure two!
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Catherine Kinsey wrote:
I have someone who does a period I know absolutely nothing about, and
now I'm trying to figure out where to seek help on making a good
choice -- since I can't post my questions to the list!
Post privately to someone on the list who you know might
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
There is quite possibly a translation problem as English is not the
author's native language. The question lies in the terms crochet and
needle, after all, knitting needles don't have holes in them
either! The possibility exists that the term
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote:
But I cannot get over the ballet wall, even though I saw Nureyev and
Fontaine in Les Sylphides. I hate the music, and don't enjoy the
dancing. (And there are some seriously odd costumes in ballet too.)
Oh wow. I'm just the opposite. I can barely
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Gail Scott Finke wrote:
If a production is going to be done in some sort of avant-garde style,
the company owes it to the public to make it clear in the
advertisements, etc. Many people really do go see a production,
especially if it's a rarely done production, to get
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, E House wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X/104-1649257-0753564?v=glancen=283155s=booksv=glance
or
http://snipurl.com/kav3
Can anyone compare the two, taking into account that the latter from amazon
is 1/3 the price of the former?
Amazon is wrong --
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Stephanie Smith wrote:
Commandez ke vos chiualers e trestoutz vos gentils
hommes qe vos robes pernent ke meymes ces robes
chescun ionr e nomement
a voster manger e en voster presence usut pur vostre
honour garder ne
pas veuz tabartz e soulletz herigaudz en
In going through my fabric stash, I find I have a number of things I've
bought over the years that I no longer consider suitable for medieval
clothing. They're good fabrics, and I am wondering what they might be
useful for (other than modern clothing or home decor). I know almost
nothing about
find this to be a valid argument for a variety of reasons (chiefly
that a wool garment doesn't have to be hot!), but it's a common one.
(Now: PLEASE don't anyone go saying Robin Netherton says they never used
linen in period! As I've tried to make clear, I'm talking about a
specific sort of use
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, E House wrote:
Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet
(I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find
these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that
linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/2/2005 1:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-- linen dyed in strong colors, e.g. cranberry, deep green, bright redblack
(I've been using the hot pink for mock-ups!)
*
You
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote:
As for whether linen was/wasn't used for outer garments in Europe --
well, there is that linen 17th c. man's jacket that was found in the
wall (chimney?) of a house.
http://www.concealedgarments.org/information/links.html
-- Mara
Surely there is
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, E House wrote:
At least for me, the reason I responded with the info I gave was that,
to me, this question implies that you see dyed linen as useless for
_any_ part of medieval clothing, rather than just for outer layer
stuff. If you remove the fabric from your stash,
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote:
I am glad that I asked why not. Though the issue wavers off the beaten
path I have come to understand why you and some others do not use dyed
linen for outerwear.
My perspective is that linen degrades faster then wool and therefore
is one of the reasons
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, otsisto wrote:
Use for drafts.
I read this, and immediately pictured rolling up a length of fabric and
tucking it around the bottom of the door to my deck, where there's a
draft.
Took me a minute to realize that's *not* the intended reading.
Must be winter.
--Robin
who
I have just noticed that h-costume has been archived at mail-archive.com
since August:
http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/info.html
The buttons at the bottom get you to the messages.
I don't know whether mail-archive found us on its own, or someone set us
up there, or how
I promised to post information on my upcoming lecture appearance in
Portland, Oregon, when it became available. The registration information
is now online here:
http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classesit=5433
or here:
Few people dare to get me costume-related gifts because I don't need
fabrics/trims/patterns (I have a huge stash and extremely particular
needs, plus I sew relatively few things these days). And I buy my
research-related materials outright so I can deduct them on my taxes.
So nearly all my
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
A Perfect Red, by Amy Butler Greenfield (a history of the red dyes used in
textile production in Europe, particularly cochineal)
Mauve, by Simon Garfield (a history of the invention of that particular dye)
I heard an interview with the
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Carmen Beaudry wrote:
The only other costume oriented gifts I recieved were TWO reproduction
sewing birds. One is now permanently mounted on the counter next to
my sewing machine, and the other is in my traveling sewing kit. I've
used them both already and they really
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blue wool, Fuscia wool, AND the book Hollywood and History!!
Who was your generous giver?
(Still waiting for my recipient to check in...)
Hmmm now I am wondering where I can get fuscia linen to make something
for an event on Jan 14th
I have
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kathy Page wrote:
I found this painting in an Italian book (funny, that given the
language the citation I can't read below the painting is written in.
*G*) And fell in love with this dress, but I can't find barely
anything about the painter, the sitter or the location of
De and others wrote:
... Giovanni Bahuet ...
That would explain that! I wonder why an Italian book used the French form
of the name.
Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo Gonzaga's attire for
his 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua. A great deal of research was
necessary to recreate
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, E House wrote, about Geoff Egan's new Tudor
artifacts book:
I don't know much more about it than what shows up on Amazon and on
Oxbow, except that Robin Netherton asked the publisher about it, and
heard that they're hoping to get it out by the end of the year.
And now
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Dawn wrote:
otsisto wrote:
or this
http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/EMILIA1560.jpg
only a little more fitted in the bodice region.
What is that she is holding in her right hand? It looks like some part
of her coat. A belt? Or is she holding the
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robin Netherton wrote:
I'm 95% certain it's a zibellino ...
Nope. Tawny points out that when you blow it up, you can see clearly it's
fabric. I didn't see that on my browser, but when I saved and enlarged the
image, I could see clearly that it loops up behind her hand
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
This painting
http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/florentine_PortraitWoman-landinFig39.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/byswr
is simply listed as Florentine with no specific artist attributed.
It's almost *identical* to the painting from
I've hit the 50% off sales on 2006 calendars at both Borders and a mall
calendar store. What a disappointing choice this year! I saw nothing
medieval aside from one Angels calendar and a Fra Angelico art calendar,
neither of which is very useful for costume. I settled for a Camelot
calendar full
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
I've had the same problem for a couple of years now. I really miss the
Medieval Woman calendars. (I've been choosing dance photography, space
photos, and Edward Gorey.)
Wonder if the publisher would respond to a letter writing campaign?
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
My other calendar (I keep two) is Tolkien -- his original art, not the
Hildebrandt or movie stuff.
Interesting. Where did you get that one? I don't remember seeing it.
It has been in every store I've seen. The cover is yellowish
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/2006 17:23
This leads me to ask, and please do not take offense anyone... How did
16th women deal with their monthly courses without underpants? Rags, I
know, but how were they held up?
We don't really know - such
Heather's point about drawers/braies/breeches = masculinity is paramount.
Beyond that, though, the lack of underwear on women is not nearly so
impractical as some people seem to assume.
To begin with, it's worth noting that underwear worn with a long skirt can
make toileting really awkward,
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Dawn Luckham wrote:
Use your microscope and have a look at your fibers under 250x to 500x
magnification. Flax fibers (linen) have a somewhat bamboo looking
shape. You get the bamboo like segments and when viewed in cross
section there is actually a dark looking
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Gail Scott Finke wrote:
Robin wrote:
Just as one data
point, I routinely go without underwear when in costume,
Too much information!! Too much information!!
I prefer not to know who is going commando in my vicinity.
Sorry -- given the topic (whether cold
://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843832038
Feel free to contact me directly if you have any further questions.
--Robin
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, angelalazear wrote:
Can anyone take a moment to instruct me as to how to pull up our old
topic threads?
No help from me on sergers -- I've never used one -- but to find the
archives, follow the directions on the h-cost info page, URL at the bottom
of all messages:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, Kate M Bunting wrote:
If you mean April Fools' Day, Robin, we do have that in Europe too!
Ooh, I didn't know that! Thanks!
Now I can tease my publisher ;-)
--Robin
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Lena wrote:
I'm on my first attempt of making a gothic fitted dress. It's for a
modern ball, so I'm taking a bit liberty with historical correctness.
It's basically a MS Bodleian 264 dress, with a shallow wide neck
opening and tight buttoned sleeves. The sleeves are
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Penny Ladnier wrote:
Also don't mix bleach with Lime-Away. My husband was cleaning his
bathroom last year. He picked up what he thought was an empty
unmarked spray bottle, and poured bleach into it Thankfully
because I got my husband to the hospital quickly, he did
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, jlkelley wrote:
KP Looking up sangue in Florios' 1611 Italian-English
KP Dictionary garners me a broad variety of derivatives
KP that can be applied to a woman's menstrual blood.
KP Looking up menses I get a period (pardon the pun)
KP term for a woman's monthly:
KP
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Dawn wrote:
jlkelley wrote:
Flowers has been slang for quite a long time, and probably has an
association with flowering and fertility, fruit and childbearing.
OED has it back to c. 1400:
c1400 Rel. Ant. I. 190 A woman schal in the harme blede For stoppyng of
hure
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Chris Laning wrote:
What sorts of things make good presents-for-one's-hosts from
California/USAmerica? What do we have that's difficult to find over
there or especially American? grin
I have had good luck with Vermont maple syrup and local wines (I have
always lived in
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote:
Makes me think of one of my favorite scenes in Fried Green Tomatoes
when the would be woman's libber opens the door to greet her husband
at night all done up in just plastic...
Actually, the saran-wrap thing was originally suggested by Marabel
If you were looking for information on 16th c. costume in written sources,
whose research/publications would you seek, other than Janet Arnold's?
And: Does anyone know if Jane Ashelford is still active, and if so, where
she can be located?
--Robin
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, E House wrote:
By 16thC, do you mean British Elizabethan, or 16thC everywhere and in
general?
Sorry -- British, but not just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in
finding people known for doing work on the first half of the 16th c.).
--Robin
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a wonderful book by the Cunningtons which I believe is out of
print. Published, I think in the 50's.
I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems
to be a gap here in current work :-(
--Robin
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Sharon L. Krossa wrote:
I see in another post you're clarified that you mean British, but not
just Elizabethan (that is, I'm interested in finding people known for
doing work on the first half of the 16th c.). -- but I'm not entirely
sure if by this you actually mean
a recent
MEDATS conference. I hope there will be many more!
--Robin
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Life is just a bowl of queries
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, michael tartaglio wrote:
Hi, Robin. There were a whole series of articles written in a variety of
languages in Waffen und Kostumkunde in the 70s and 80s. Some of the
authors are still around. I have found many specialists out there,
though, that handle detail info
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote:
Whoops, email etiquette slipped, here is a repost with a different
header...
Heh -- and I've already answered under 16th c. costume experts! Sorry!
--Robin
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote:
Robin inquired:
I'd like to find living, currently active, working scholars. There seems
to be a gap here in current work :-(
The authors of Moda Firenze, Lo Stylo di Eleanora can be found at the
Pitti Palace.
There seems to be a great deal going on in
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, WickedFrau wrote:
Speaking of which...what makes an expert? Someone who is already
published? Someone who has a degree in history, research, costuming,
or? Someone who has access to primary sources?
In my experience, the answer varies with the type of task at hand.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Cin wrote:
The number of extant inventories, etc. out there that have never been
studied is practically criminal. One of the defining moments in my life
was holding Edward II's wardrobe inventory -- the original volume -- and
Cool! I had no idea one even existed!
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Wanda Pease wrote:
I get the David Brown Book Company alerts. They have The Inventories
of Henry VIII edited by David Starkey for $72 I paid $170 for my
copy and was happy. I had seen it at David Brown for $144 and thought
it a bargain. This is simply an
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Kimiko Small wrote:
At 06:23 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote:
I'm interested in the outfit worn by the man on the left in black. I have
my own ideas about what I see in this drawing, but I'd like to get a
second opinion of what he is wearing.
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, katherine sanders wrote:
Hello! Could someone please send me the digest 107? I
can't find it in my in-box and Im worried I missed a
message for me.
Try checking recent messages at these sites:
http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/maillist.html
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Cynthia Virtue wrote:
One of the interesting things about the Magdalen's hat is the motto on
it; I don't think I've ever heard what it says, as it's barely legible
in only a few reproductions.
It's much clearer in person, but it's in Hebrew, so I couldn't read it.
(It's
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't done much research before the 1400s so I can't talk about
anything before then, however in the _Museum of London: Clothing and
Textiles_ book it shows fabric buttons on the sleeves of the gothic
fitted dresses (usually referred to as
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote:
I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's got on her head in
the Canterbury Tales:
Hir coverchiefs ful fyne weren of ground,
I dorste swere they weyeden ten pound
That on a Sonday weren upon hir heed.
Mainly I'm wondering about
--- Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm wondering about the Wife of Bath and what she's
got on her head ...
Just occurred to me, Laura Hodges would certainly have addressed this in
her book on Chaucer and Costume, which has chapters on most or all of
the secular pilgrims. (The
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote:
I am hoping to be in Washington DC in June, and wondered if anyone
knew of a not-too-expensive hotel within walking distance of the
Smithsonian. I hope to get an introduction there from a curator
friend, and see what I can see.
If I still lived there,
Definitely not pre-Raphaelite, on stylistic grounds alone. The
pre-Raphaelites did not do formal portraits of men in suits in front of
drapery, and did not use these highly refined techniques of light and
shadow, which for them were a mark of the traditional style they were
rebelling against.
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote:
I'd like to see That one...(And who said that Victorians were lacking
in a sense of humor... when it came to Dress?
Some of the examples I use during my talk on the Victorian view of
historic costume come from a book called Fancy Dresses Described,
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Lloyd Mitchell wrote:
[about Fancy Dresses Described, by Ardern Holt:]
I mut look this one up! It might have all those dicey tid-bits that
would amuse women at Tea.
I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book
(went into five or six editions) so
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote:
I have a copy if you have problems finding one. Not all the
illustrations are there, but as I picked it up cheap on E-bay, I was
quite happy.
OH, I am jealous!
--Robin
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I wrote:
[about Fancy Dresses Described, by Ardern Holt:]
I've found it only in rare book rooms, but it was a very popular book
(went into five or six editions) so it should be in a sizable number of
collections.
Following Suzi's comment, I just found a bunch of them on bookfinder; the
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Susan Farmer wrote:
Hey Robin!
Thanks for thinking of me!
A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni
Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and
sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of
Sienna.
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