Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Thanks.  I will look at the ermine street as well.  I found some good 
information on Roman reenactment sites. Including a shoe pattern.
These are for a one use photo for a book so it just has to look right. Nothing 
like arguing with the company owner about the costume history.  Luckily they'd 
also contacted an archeologist with ties to Pompeii and we both said the same 
thing.Susan 

 Original message From: Katy Bishop <katybisho...@gmail.com> 
Date: 7/15/16  9:35 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Historical Costume 
<h-cost...@indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts? 
It really looks like a hood to me. I will forward to a friend who does
Roman impressions.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:35 AM, scourney <scour...@nwlink.com> wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Hi,
That's what I was thinking, except I'm not sure that cloaks had hoods attached. 
And why would only the hood have trim?
I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Susan 
 Original message From: RC Weber <r.c.we...@comcast.net> Date: 
7/15/16  12:10 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com> 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts? 
To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 
or 3/4) circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and 
trimmed with warm brown in a rectilinear fashion.

The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and 
seamed on one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain 
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, 
seam in back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face. 
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.

The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut 
out as the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a 
minimum of sag, roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.

In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right 
side flipped back over the right arm.

That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:
> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I 
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a 
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
> -https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
>  - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
> decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
> like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
> almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
> just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[Ginni Morgan]

If you look real close, there appears to be a triangular shape hanging from the 
back of the neck.  This would match what Cate describes below.  It looks to me 
as if the entire cloak is lined in a dark color.  That's the only way some of 
the draping lines make sense to me.  I also think that the trim is actually two 
small squares, one on each side, applied to the hood.  They look to me to be 
white with brown trim around the edges.  And, of course, most of those squares 
would be hidden under the fold of the hood.

As for the baker selling bread, my guess would be that he is wearing a white 
tunic and with possibly a white cloak of the same type which is thrown back 
over his right shoulder, while the left side covers his arm to the wrist, 
leaving the hand free.  I guess the question would be whether or not he was a 
citizen entitled to wear a toga, followed by whether he would wear his toga 
(they were expensive) to work in his shop/booth if he was.

Now you have more questions to ask of the experts.  ;>)

Ginni

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On 
Behalf Of RC Weber
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To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 or 3/4) 
circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and trimmed with warm 
brown in a rectilinear fashion.

The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and seamed on 
one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, seam in 
back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face.
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.

The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut out as 
the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a minimum of sag, 
roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.

In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right side 
flipped back over the right arm.

That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:
> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I 
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a 
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
> -https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
>  - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
> decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
> like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
> almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
> just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[Katy Bishop]

It really looks like a hood to me. I will forward to a friend who does
Roman impressions.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:35 AM, scourney  wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[Cin]

I would ask people who do that sort of thing regularly.  The best I know
of, and I dont know if they do civilian impressions, is the Ermine Street
Guard.  http://www.erminestreetguard.co.uk/

--cin
Cynthia Barnes
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:35 PM, scourney  wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[RC Weber]

To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 
or 3/4) circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and 
trimmed with warm brown in a rectilinear fashion.


The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and 
seamed on one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain 
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, 
seam in back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face. 
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.


The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut 
out as the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a 
minimum of sag, roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.


In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right 
side flipped back over the right arm.


That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:

Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I think 
I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a question on one 
thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
-https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
 - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
Thanks all, Susan Courney
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