Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
The one thing that I would change in Josh's model is just that we are
not thinking of this as a place for public expression (why I support
Dean) not because we don't want that expression, but because
(1) there are other venues for it, and
(2) it drastically (or almost completely) eviscerates the
moderation/management needs if we don't provide that space--if there is
no enter your own content here but all pick and choose and links to
forum, we don't need to vet who enters at ALL which is ideal (this is
the big diff between us and friendster -- we don't have staff who can
routinely check every new person and we don't have people who want to
kill the campaign by posting obscene or harassing posts (that's the big
concern, not dissent).
I built this in after talking with Britt about the idea for future 
Howard Dean sites to include rotating volunteer statements as part of 
the design. Also, for this to work users need to be at least able to 
tell other people a little about them.

If you're worried about Trolls (people trying to sabotage the system 
socially), the best way to deal is to have a flag for review button 
ala Friendster. Let the users do 90% of the moderation for you.

It seems if we can do that and roll it out, we can then add other
features like uploading contacts and rating -- but I'm not the
programming guru.
Yes, a phased approach is best. I'll turn out some more detail today. 
Then we start breaking this (and MetaDean) into discreet chunks and 
handing off the work. You know, the fun part.

cheers
-j


Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
I agree.  Giving members privacy control over their profile information
encourages them to share more information and add more value to the
database.  (It's also respectful and polite.)
Preaching to the Choir here. ;)

I've been working on an enhanced profile module -- please use it or 
build
off of it if it can help you.  Currently, it has the following features
in addition to the standard profile module:
We should coordinate on this. Part of my vision is having matching 
fields between an extended Drupal profile and Deanster. That way when 
people register for a Drupal Node they can check a box to 
simultaneously create a Deanster profile. This works both ways: when 
registering for a Drupal Node, the enhanced registration will ask, are 
you a Deanster and if so it will create a useful default profile from 
your data there.

Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for 
any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents.

I'll post a link to this module on the TalentDatabase page.  Please
let me know what you think of it.
Excellent. I'll review it further.

cheers
-josh


Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote
 Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for
 any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents.

We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster
then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have to
be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.

-Zack



[hackers] More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
After Zephyr's previous posting about content for Deanster, I just 
wanted to give y'all a little more of my vision for the whole Deanster 
user expression piece. You're indubitably the boss on this one, so 
the call is yours, but I wanted to give you the whole nine yards.

The notion for this sprung from the fact that there's a wealth of ideas 
and content being created by the devotees of the Official Campaign 
Blog. Originally, I had thought of hacking Movable Type so that there 
would be a way for users to concur with other users' comments; to 
mark them as an idea, a phrase, a story worth saving. This way at the 
end of the day, you can  have someone from your team browse through the 
25 most highlighted posts.

Creating a way for the Official Site to grant recognition to stellar 
user participation will spur greater participation as well as greater 
quality.

From that came a discussion with Britt about how deanforamerica.com 
might be re-designed. I've attached an image of what he's come up with. 
It shows the idea pretty well: a quote from a participant for every 
section. This would be easy enough to set up if it were static, but my 
immediate thought was that it should be dynamic. It should be a 
rotation of many quotes, which will further drive participation as it 
shows that everyone has a chance of having their voice heard.

But for you to try and do this -- incorporate participant content -- 
requires some structure be built around it. So I thought of a facility 
on Deanster which would let you elicit on-topic quotes from your 
userbase; there would be some administrative overhead in terms of 
flagging content either as worth highlighting (good) or 
administrative review (bad), but this won't take much time at all. 
90% of it can be done by users. Here's how:

1) Most of the content will be neither worth posting on DFA or worth 
badgering anyone about in terms of taking it down. The process I 
describe here will happen less than 10% of the time.

2) Objectionable content (e.g. explicit photos, objectionable 
statements) can be flagged by any user and quickly addressed by the 
moderation staff. If you create an environment that doesn't provide an 
opportunity to create entropy, then it won't happen. In other words, if 
people don't see bogus profiles, they're far less likely to try it 
themselves.

3) High-quality content can also be flagged by any user (though not for 
themselves), and dealt with in the same fashion.

4) Volunteer moderators (trusted participants) can further vet flagged 
content. People will kill to have this job. They can send warning 
letters to objectionable content posters and give a more seasoned 
thumbs up to high-quality profiles.

5) Finally, one staff member can invest an hour a day selecting the 
best of the best and flagging them as worthy of the DFA homepage. 
Likewise they can take the official action of booting people who don't 
respond to a warning letter. At this point were talking about 1% of 
total posts, so it's not really a lot of overhead.

Do we think this will cure a potential troll problem? IMHO, rigorous 
moderation is sufficient for stopping harmful BS. By giving users a 
flag for review button, you give them a means of doing something 
about trolls without feeding them.

cheers
-josh

Politics is the art of controlling your environment. Participate!
Elect Howard Dean President in 2004!
http://www.outlandishjosh.com/politics/dean/


Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for
any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents.
We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster
then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have 
to
be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.
What about the opposite direction? Can unofficial nodes act as 
single-signons for Deanster? All this implies is that Deanster will 
trust an external source for identity validation, a necessary component 
of any distributed identity framework. To put it another way, how is 
this different from Deanster accepting MS Passport validation?

Not that I'm recommending this, but you get the point.

cheers
-josh


Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote:

  Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for
  any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents.
 
  We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster
  then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have
  to
  be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.

 What about the opposite direction? Can unofficial nodes act as
 single-signons for Deanster? All this implies is that Deanster will
 trust an external source for identity validation, a necessary component
 of any distributed identity framework. To put it another way, how is
 this different from Deanster accepting MS Passport validation?

 Not that I'm recommending this, but you get the point.

I don't see any problem with the opposite direction.  THere shouldnt be
any bad implications of Deanster using trusted node logins that I can
think of.  The issue with nodes using Deanster logins is that - if the
nodes authentication is controlled by official DFA services, then the
nodes must become official / vetted as well.  This make sense?
-Zack


 cheers
 -josh




Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen


On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote:

  We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run
  Deanster
  then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have
  to
  be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.
 
  What about the opposite direction? Can unofficial nodes act as
  single-signons for Deanster? All this implies is that Deanster will
  trust an external source for identity validation, a necessary
  component
  of any distributed identity framework. To put it another way, how is
  this different from Deanster accepting MS Passport validation?
 
  I don't see any problem with the opposite direction.  THere shouldnt be
  any bad implications of Deanster using trusted node logins that I can
  think of.  The issue with nodes using Deanster logins is that - if the
  nodes authentication is controlled by official DFA services, then
  the
  nodes must become official / vetted as well.  This make sense?

 It does make some sense. I think it's a little over-cautious (e.g. MS
 doesn't have to endorse every site that wants to use Passport) but
 it's not that big a deal. Having it work by allowing local Nodes to be
 trusted sources for identity is probably better anyway. More of a
 foundation for distributed architecture.

Agreed on all counts ;)

-Zack
 cheers
 -josh




Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run 
Deanster
then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have
to
be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.
What about the opposite direction? Can unofficial nodes act as
single-signons for Deanster? All this implies is that Deanster will
trust an external source for identity validation, a necessary 
component
of any distributed identity framework. To put it another way, how is
this different from Deanster accepting MS Passport validation?
I don't see any problem with the opposite direction.  THere shouldnt be
any bad implications of Deanster using trusted node logins that I can
think of.  The issue with nodes using Deanster logins is that - if the
nodes authentication is controlled by official DFA services, then 
the
nodes must become official / vetted as well.  This make sense?
It does make some sense. I think it's a little over-cautious (e.g. MS 
doesn't have to endorse every site that wants to use Passport) but 
it's not that big a deal. Having it work by allowing local Nodes to be 
trusted sources for identity is probably better anyway. More of a 
foundation for distributed architecture.

cheers
-josh


RE: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc

2003-07-28 Thread Zephyr Teachout
Agreed. Ultimately there will be more room for this, but I want to focus
on basic model first. Also, the fact of limited expression will actually
drive people to two things we're excited about -- conversations
w/eachother and setting up their own nodes.

Z

Zephyr Teachout
Internet Organizing  Outreach
Dean for America
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Joshua Koenig
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc

 The one thing that I would change in Josh's model is just that we are
 not thinking of this as a place for public expression (why I support
 Dean) not because we don't want that expression, but because
 (1) there are other venues for it, and
 (2) it drastically (or almost completely) eviscerates the
 moderation/management needs if we don't provide that space--if there
is
 no enter your own content here but all pick and choose and links to
 forum, we don't need to vet who enters at ALL which is ideal (this is
 the big diff between us and friendster -- we don't have staff who can
 routinely check every new person and we don't have people who want to
 kill the campaign by posting obscene or harassing posts (that's the
big
 concern, not dissent).

I built this in after talking with Britt about the idea for future 
Howard Dean sites to include rotating volunteer statements as part of 
the design. Also, for this to work users need to be at least able to 
tell other people a little about them.

If you're worried about Trolls (people trying to sabotage the system 
socially), the best way to deal is to have a flag for review button 
ala Friendster. Let the users do 90% of the moderation for you.

 It seems if we can do that and roll it out, we can then add other
 features like uploading contacts and rating -- but I'm not the
 programming guru.

Yes, a phased approach is best. I'll turn out some more detail today. 
Then we start breaking this (and MetaDean) into discreet chunks and 
handing off the work. You know, the fun part.

cheers
-j



[hackers] Deanster run at DFA

2003-07-28 Thread Zephyr Teachout
Just catching the tail end of this, but we're fully planning to run
deanster, I've got the server space planned, and I'm looking to hire for
someone to administer. So all we're doing is making sure its designed in
a way we can manage. There's a lot of projects we're going to build on
this, and it runs off our main database (we'll be sending out email
asking folks to register additional info to fill out deanster profile).
This is one that we're completely committed to -- and it would be silly
to set up rival deansters off site!

Z

Zephyr Teachout
Internet Organizing  Outreach
Dean for America
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute
 

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Koenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:26 PM
To: zachary rosen
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zephyr Teachout; Jon Lebkowsky; Ka-Ping Yee
Subject: Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

 We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run 
 Deanster
 then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would
have
 to
 be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.

 What about the opposite direction? Can unofficial nodes act as
 single-signons for Deanster? All this implies is that Deanster will
 trust an external source for identity validation, a necessary 
 component
 of any distributed identity framework. To put it another way, how is
 this different from Deanster accepting MS Passport validation?

 I don't see any problem with the opposite direction.  THere shouldnt
be
 any bad implications of Deanster using trusted node logins that I can
 think of.  The issue with nodes using Deanster logins is that - if the
 nodes authentication is controlled by official DFA services, then 
 the
 nodes must become official / vetted as well.  This make sense?

It does make some sense. I think it's a little over-cautious (e.g. MS 
doesn't have to endorse every site that wants to use Passport) but 
it's not that big a deal. Having it work by allowing local Nodes to be 
trusted sources for identity is probably better anyway. More of a 
foundation for distributed architecture.

cheers
-josh



RE: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread Zephyr Teachout
Great. I'm working on fields, which are primarily driven by fields here
-- Plus. The other plus is info about the nodes they are involved in. 

Z

Zephyr Teachout
Internet Organizing  Outreach
Dean for America
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute
 

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Koenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:40 AM
To: Ka-Ping Yee
Cc: Jon Lebkowsky; Zephyr Teachout; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

 I agree.  Giving members privacy control over their profile
information
 encourages them to share more information and add more value to the
 database.  (It's also respectful and polite.)

Preaching to the Choir here. ;)

 I've been working on an enhanced profile module -- please use it or 
 build
 off of it if it can help you.  Currently, it has the following
features
 in addition to the standard profile module:

We should coordinate on this. Part of my vision is having matching 
fields between an extended Drupal profile and Deanster. That way when 
people register for a Drupal Node they can check a box to 
simultaneously create a Deanster profile. This works both ways: when 
registering for a Drupal Node, the enhanced registration will ask, are 
you a Deanster and if so it will create a useful default profile from 
your data there.

Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for 
any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents.

 I'll post a link to this module on the TalentDatabase page.  Please
 let me know what you think of it.

Excellent. I'll review it further.

cheers
-josh



[hackers] Arrrrgggghhh! I need help...

2003-07-28 Thread Shannon Little
Everytime I post something to the site I'm working on, I get this message:

user error: Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to database 'database_name'
query: LOCK TABLES sequences WRITE in /home/xx/public_html/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 75. 


I edited the private stuff...but anyhow...could anyone advise me about how to resolve this problem?  I can still post things, but everytime I do I get the error message.  I've tried everything I can think of to fix it and it's just not happening for me.

Thanks in advance for any help...

Shannon

Re: [hackers] Arrrrgggghhh! I need help...

2003-07-28 Thread Mike Cohen
In includes/conf.php make sure you defined the proper username  password for the database:

$db_url = mysql://drupal:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/drupal;

Also make sure you created the database user, assigned a password to it, and granted all permissions for drupal.* to that user.

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Shannon Little wrote:

Everytime I post something to the site I'm working on, I get this message:

user error: Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to database 'database_name'
query: LOCK TABLES sequences WRITE in /home/xx/public_html/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 75. 


I edited the private stuff...but anyhow...could anyone advise me about how to resolve this problem?  I can still post things, but everytime I do I get the error message.  I've tried everything I can think of to fix it and it's just not happening for me.

Thanks in advance for any help...

Shannon
-- 
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
--Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)



Re: [hackers] Arrrrgggghhh! I need help...

2003-07-28 Thread Shannon Little
Did all that...I think it's in permissions somewhere.  How should things be set for permissions?  Maybe that's where my problem is.  I know how to chmod, but I'm not all that clear on how different files should be set.
On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 02:31  PM, Mike Cohen wrote:

In includes/conf.php make sure you defined the proper username  password for the database:

$db_url = mysql://drupal:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/drupal;

Also make sure you created the database user, assigned a password to it, and granted all permissions for drupal.* to that user.

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Shannon Little wrote:

Everytime I post something to the site I'm working on, I get this message:

user error: Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to database 'database_name'
query: LOCK TABLES sequences WRITE in /home/xx/public_html/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 75. 


I edited the private stuff...but anyhow...could anyone advise me about how to resolve this problem?  I can still post things, but everytime I do I get the error message.  I've tried everything I can think of to fix it and it's just not happening for me.

Thanks in advance for any help...

Shannon
-- 
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
--Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)



RE: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen
Yes, and authenticating users to log onto nodes would constitute
vetting / hosting correct?

-Zack

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Zephyr Teachout wrote:

 Not quite! DFA is planning on running Deanster. We're just not vetting
 nodes or hosting them. No reason we can't link to them, map them, and
 push them (much like we do w/dean directory). We're just not
 controlling, directing, or hosting them.

 Z

 Zephyr Teachout
 Internet Organizing  Outreach
 Dean for America
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
 Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
 Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute


 -Original Message-
 From: zachary rosen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:07 PM
 To: Joshua Koenig
 Cc: Ka-Ping Yee; Jon Lebkowsky; Zephyr Teachout; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles


 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote
  Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for
  any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents.

 We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster
 then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have to
 be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible.

 -Zack




[hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Zephyr Teachout
Sure, I think it might work. But there is a more basic role for
Deanster, and the reason for its urgency (w/the idea of experimenting
w/this functionality on top of it). 

People can't find eachother.

Dean supporters in the same area can't find eachother. 

Dean supporters w/the same interests can't find eachother. 

We have, incredibly, a nationwide movement of people who happen to run
into eachother if they use the get local tools -- or show up wearing
buttons -- or are on a listserv. Imagine what it could be if I could
search for local people to ask them to join me?

The second-and third-level functions are those Josh talked about -- and
ultimately very important --


Z

Zephyr Teachout
Internet Organizing  Outreach
Dean for America
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute
 

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Koenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Zephyr Teachout
Subject: More on Deanster Participant Content


After Zephyr's previous posting about content for Deanster, I just 
wanted to give y'all a little more of my vision for the whole Deanster 
user expression piece. You're indubitably the boss on this one, so 
the call is yours, but I wanted to give you the whole nine yards.

The notion for this sprung from the fact that there's a wealth of ideas 
and content being created by the devotees of the Official Campaign 
Blog. Originally, I had thought of hacking Movable Type so that there 
would be a way for users to concur with other users' comments; to 
mark them as an idea, a phrase, a story worth saving. This way at the 
end of the day, you can  have someone from your team browse through the 
25 most highlighted posts.

Creating a way for the Official Site to grant recognition to stellar 
user participation will spur greater participation as well as greater 
quality.

 From that came a discussion with Britt about how deanforamerica.com 
might be re-designed. I've attached an image of what he's come up with. 
It shows the idea pretty well: a quote from a participant for every 
section. This would be easy enough to set up if it were static, but my 
immediate thought was that it should be dynamic. It should be a 
rotation of many quotes, which will further drive participation as it 
shows that everyone has a chance of having their voice heard.

But for you to try and do this -- incorporate participant content -- 
requires some structure be built around it. So I thought of a facility 
on Deanster which would let you elicit on-topic quotes from your 
userbase; there would be some administrative overhead in terms of 
flagging content either as worth highlighting (good) or 
administrative review (bad), but this won't take much time at all. 
90% of it can be done by users. Here's how:

1) Most of the content will be neither worth posting on DFA or worth 
badgering anyone about in terms of taking it down. The process I 
describe here will happen less than 10% of the time.

2) Objectionable content (e.g. explicit photos, objectionable 
statements) can be flagged by any user and quickly addressed by the 
moderation staff. If you create an environment that doesn't provide an 
opportunity to create entropy, then it won't happen. In other words, if 
people don't see bogus profiles, they're far less likely to try it 
themselves.

3) High-quality content can also be flagged by any user (though not for 
themselves), and dealt with in the same fashion.

4) Volunteer moderators (trusted participants) can further vet flagged 
content. People will kill to have this job. They can send warning 
letters to objectionable content posters and give a more seasoned 
thumbs up to high-quality profiles.

5) Finally, one staff member can invest an hour a day selecting the 
best of the best and flagging them as worthy of the DFA homepage. 
Likewise they can take the official action of booting people who don't 
respond to a warning letter. At this point were talking about 1% of 
total posts, so it's not really a lot of overhead.

Do we think this will cure a potential troll problem? IMHO, rigorous 
moderation is sufficient for stopping harmful BS. By giving users a 
flag for review button, you give them a means of doing something 
about trolls without feeding them.

cheers
-josh


Politics is the art of controlling your environment. Participate!
Elect Howard Dean President in 2004!
http://www.outlandishjosh.com/politics/dean/



Re: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Zephyr Teachout wrote:
 Sure, I think it might work. But there is a more basic role for
 Deanster, and the reason for its urgency (w/the idea of experimenting
 w/this functionality on top of it).

 People can't find eachother.

 Dean supporters in the same area can't find eachother.

 Dean supporters w/the same interests can't find eachother.

If you take the profile module i just posted, adjust privacy settings
to taste, and add some category terms for interests, you should be
3/4 of the way there, no?  The only two missing pieces are (a) to hook
up the taxonomy module so it can tag users as well as content nodes,
and (b) to search for zipcodes by distance, but that can't be too hard,
since we already have zipcode - latitude + longitude data.



-- ?!ng



Re: [hackers] Deanster run at DFA

2003-07-28 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 01:44:44PM -0400, Zephyr Teachout wrote:
 Just catching the tail end of this, but we're fully planning to run
 deanster, I've got the server space planned, and I'm looking to hire for
 someone to administer. So all we're doing is making sure its designed in
 a way we can manage. There's a lot of projects we're going to build on
 this, and it runs off our main database (we'll be sending out email
 asking folks to register additional info to fill out deanster profile).
 This is one that we're completely committed to -- and it would be silly
 to set up rival deansters off site!

Except that if you run the auth, then all sites have to be approved and
vetted... or have I managed to completely misunderstand this whole thread,
Zack?

Cheers,
-- jra
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-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c


Re: [hackers] More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 10:13:16AM -0700, Joshua Koenig wrote:
 The notion for this sprung from the fact that there's a wealth of ideas 
 and content being created by the devotees of the Official Campaign 
 Blog. Originally, I had thought of hacking Movable Type so that there 
 would be a way for users to concur with other users' comments; to 
 mark them as an idea, a phrase, a story worth saving. This way at the 
 end of the day, you can  have someone from your team browse through the 
 25 most highlighted posts.

As one of the people who likes to think he at least *occasionally* posts
something there that fits in this category, I'd just like to say

snap/ snap/

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
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Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100
The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

   OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows
-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c


Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc

2003-07-28 Thread Lynn Siprelle
I built this in after talking with Britt about the idea for future 
Howard Dean sites to include rotating volunteer statements as part 
of the design.
That's funny, Zack and I were talking about something similar on AIM as 
part of the endorse module (but we kind of agreed to put it into 
something separate).

L

-
Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan
The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/
Siprelle  Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
People-Powered Howard! http://www.deanforamerica.com/


Re: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Jon Lebkowsky wrote:
 One other point about Deanster: you might get some flak from Friendster if
 you combine that concept with that name. The Friendster guys aren't
 necessarily Dean supporters. Zephyr, you might discuss with legal whether
 there's any exposure - obviously it's a great name but a legal hassle would
 make it counterproductive, I'm afraid.

Do you really think so, Jon, inasmuch as they're *both* (fairly explicitly)
derivative of Napster, which in itself didn't really mean anything?

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100
The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

   OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows
-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c


Re: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
One other point about Deanster: you might get some flak from 
Friendster if
you combine that concept with that name. The Friendster guys aren't
necessarily Dean supporters. Zephyr, you might discuss with legal 
whether
there's any exposure - obviously it's a great name but a legal hassle 
would
make it counterproductive, I'm afraid.
Surely we'll vet the name before launching. It makes a good internal 
name though. Pretty clear what we're all talkin' about.

We should ask the friendster guys. Maybe they -are- deanies.

And when it comes down to it, there are about a zillion *-ster sites 
out there. Just like there's also iEverything and Apple can't do much 
about it.

But let the law-folk make the call by all means.

-j



Re: [hackers] Deanster run at DFA

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
Just catching the tail end of this, but we're fully planning to run
deanster, I've got the server space planned, and I'm looking to hire 
for
someone to administer. So all we're doing is making sure its designed 
in
a way we can manage. There's a lot of projects we're going to build on
this, and it runs off our main database (we'll be sending out email
asking folks to register additional info to fill out deanster 
profile).
This is one that we're completely committed to -- and it would be 
silly
to set up rival deansters off site!
Except that if you run the auth, then all sites have to be approved and
vetted... or have I managed to completely misunderstand this whole 
thread,
Zack?
Well, it's debatable what it means. From my perspective it would just 
be independent sites -- could be any site online -- deciding they can 
trust DFA for login data. I'll go with whatever Howard's wonks want to 
do. It's not a critical piece.

-j



Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
I built this in after talking with Britt about the idea for future 
Howard Dean sites to include rotating volunteer statements as part 
of the design.
That's funny, Zack and I were talking about something similar on AIM 
as part of the endorse module (but we kind of agreed to put it into 
something separate).
I think it's a dynamite idea myself. Just like how if you go to 
theonion.com, they have a featured personal ad; this will encourage 
people to put their stuff out there.

just my $0.02
-josh


RE: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Zephyr Teachout
I don't really like deanster myself, but at least we all know what we
mean :). We'll put up a naming thread later -- but keep coming up
w/ideas!

Z

Zephyr Teachout
Internet Organizing  Outreach
Dean for America
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Jon Lebkowsky wrote:
 One other point about Deanster: you might get some flak from
Friendster if
 you combine that concept with that name. The Friendster guys aren't
 necessarily Dean supporters. Zephyr, you might discuss with legal
whether
 there's any exposure - obviously it's a great name but a legal hassle
would
 make it counterproductive, I'm afraid.

Do you really think so, Jon, inasmuch as they're *both* (fairly
explicitly)
derivative of Napster, which in itself didn't really mean anything?

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Member of the Technical Staff Baylink
RFC 2100
The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727
647 1274

   OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging
Windows
-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c



Re: [hackers] Deanster run at DFA

2003-07-28 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 12:50:34PM -0700, Joshua Koenig wrote:
  Except that if you run the auth, then all sites have to be approved and
  vetted... or have I managed to completely misunderstand this whole 
  thread,
  Zack?
 
 Well, it's debatable what it means. From my perspective it would just 
 be independent sites -- could be any site online -- deciding they can 
 trust DFA for login data. I'll go with whatever Howard's wonks want to 
 do. It's not a critical piece.

Apparently I *did* misunderstand Zack; I thought he was asserting that that
was the case.

Rough time with English this month, I guess...  :-}

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100
The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

   OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows
-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c


Re: [hackers] Arrrrgggghhh! I need help...

2003-07-28 Thread Mike Cohen
Everything in /var/mysql is owned by user mysql with mode 660. The user table permissions are:

mysql> select * from user;
+---+--+--+-+-+-+-+-+---+-+---+--+---++-+++
| Host  | User | Password | Select_priv | Insert_priv | Update_priv | Delete_priv | Create_priv | Drop_priv | Reload_priv | Shutdown_priv | Process_priv | File_priv | Grant_priv | References_priv | Index_priv | Alter_priv |
+---+--+--+-+-+-+-+-+---+-+---+--+---++-+++
| localhost | root |  | Y   | Y   | Y   | Y   | Y   | Y | Y   | Y | Y| Y | Y  | Y   | Y  | Y  |
| blueg3| root |  | Y   | Y   | Y   | Y   | Y   | Y | Y   | Y | Y| Y | Y  | Y   | Y  | Y  |
| localhost |  |  | N   | N   | N   | N   | N   | N | N   | N | N| N | N  | N   | N  | N  |
| blueg3|  |  | N   | N   | N   | N   | N   | N | N   | N | N| N | N  | N   | N  | N  |
| localhost | drupal   |  | N   | N   | N   | N   | N   | N | N   | N | N| N | N  | N   | N  | N  |
+---+--+--+-+-+-+-+-+---+-+---+--+---++-+++
5 rows in set (0.00 sec)

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 02:41 PM, Shannon Little wrote:

Did all that...I think it's in permissions somewhere.  How should things be set for permissions?  Maybe that's where my problem is.  I know how to chmod, but I'm not all that clear on how different files should be set.
On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 02:31  PM, Mike Cohen wrote:

In includes/conf.php make sure you defined the proper username  password for the database:

$db_url = mysql://drupal:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/drupal;

Also make sure you created the database user, assigned a password to it, and granted all permissions for drupal.* to that user.

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Shannon Little wrote:

Everytime I post something to the site I'm working on, I get this message:

user error: Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to database 'database_name'
query: LOCK TABLES sequences WRITE in /home/xx/public_html/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 75. 


I edited the private stuff...but anyhow...could anyone advise me about how to resolve this problem?  I can still post things, but everytime I do I get the error message.  I've tried everything I can think of to fix it and it's just not happening for me.

Thanks in advance for any help...

Shannon
-- 
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
--Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)





Re: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Joshua Koenig
Sure, I think it might work. But there is a more basic role for
Deanster, and the reason for its urgency (w/the idea of experimenting
w/this functionality on top of it).
People can't find eachother.

Dean supporters in the same area can't find eachother.

Dean supporters w/the same interests can't find eachother.
If you take the profile module i just posted, adjust privacy settings
to taste, and add some category terms for interests, you should be
3/4 of the way there, no?  The only two missing pieces are (a) to hook
up the taxonomy module so it can tag users as well as content nodes,
and (b) to search for zipcodes by distance, but that can't be too hard,
since we already have zipcode - latitude + longitude data.
Right. The first iteration won't be hard. But this is separate from the 
Nodes and the Kit. It's something DFA is going to run/host themselves.

I have a line on a database which will give us ZIP -- City/State data. 
The first version will be quick. Depending on how fast a server emerges 
we might have something basic up and running in a week or so.

-j



Re: [hackers] Fwd: User account details for joshk at Indiana for Dean

2003-07-28 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 09:32:01PM -0700, Ka-Ping Yee wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
  NNTP.
 
 You do realize that what we are doing is rebuilding much of
 what NNTP is supposed to do, don't you?

Of course I do.  That's precisely why I recommended you use the
infrastructure and tools already extant.

 That's slightly tongue-in-cheek -- but only slightly.  Multiple
 sites aggregating articles, sharing articles with each other,
 updating each other on new posts: it's been done, and it's called
 Usenet.  Of course we're adding user authentication, nice graphics,
 and more structured data -- but it's worth noting that Usenet
 didn't work by having every site poll every other site for updates.
 
 Just something to think about.

And it's *also* worth noting that it's *miserable* -- I mean *REALLY REALLY*
painful, to follow more than about 4 web forums, run on different sites,
hosted by different software packages, with different command structures, and
different signons.

Stipulated, some percentage of the crowd will *only* ever go here...

but I'm inclined to think that's a smaller percentage than might seem
obvious... and that the proper solution is to build a web-based NNTP client
front end and use the already existant infrastructure which is tuned for
that, instead of rebuilding the wheel.

MIME is not real popular on traditional Usenet, but no reason you can't use
it in a custom implementation on top...

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100
The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

   OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows
-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c


RE: [hackers] Site name considerations...

2003-07-28 Thread Aldon Hynes
Well, I've been off at a folk music festival all weekend.  (It was a great
time.  I'll write more about it later at http://aldon.livejournal.com), so
I'm just starting to catch up on the flood of emails.

I have to say, Kurt's Map is VERY COOL!  I look forward to other neat stuff
with it.

Aldon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Kurt Cagle
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hackers] Site name considerations...


Speaking of maps -

I've been working on a quick sample map with interactivity associated with
it. You'll need to download the Adobe SVG plugin
(http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/beta.html) (I'll set it up later so
that this could be done automatically), and then open up from my own site:

http://www.metaphoricalweb.com/usaMap.svg

When I'm done with it, you'll be able to upload any information into the map
-- Meetup members, dollars received per state, population figures, listings
of events by state, and so forth. Let me know what you thin.

-- Kurt

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shannon Little
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hackers] Site name considerations...

It's a good idea to be forward thinking regarding how the name is going
to sound and look when referred to on the site and by potential
members.  This is part of the reason I really like Dean Country.  The
site could have a nice flash into saying something like Now entering
Dean Country  and a welcome message: Welcome to Dean Country , A
Dean Country Map  that could be visual with an image of the US where
people could click on their state to find local sites.  These are just
a few ideas that would fit nicely into a site theme using deancountry.





[hackers] PHP hosting recommendations for DeanSpace?

2003-07-28 Thread CMR



We're ready to move on this but wanted to get 
everyone's input on a good php/mysql-friendly hosting outfit; we're looking at 
eitherhttp://www.neureal.com or http://www.ixwebhosting.com/currently; similar deals; we 
figure 20 gigs transfer a mon will be plenty; good 
price/features/reliability/support ratio is the dream

Thanks
CMR--enter gratuitous quotation 
that implies my profundity here--


Re: [hackers] PHP hosting recommendations for DeanSpace?

2003-07-28 Thread Matthew Woodward
Speaking solely from personal experience, I've had EXTREMELY good luck with Dreamhost (http://www.dreamhost.com).  Great features for the price, and I got an extremely speedy response the one time I had to call customer service.  They also have a fantastic control panel that lets you mess with a whole lot of stuff quite easily.

Matt

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 06:02 PM, CMR wrote:

We're ready to move on this but wanted to get everyone's input on a good php/mysql-friendly hosting outfit; we're looking at either http://www.neureal.com or http://www.ixwebhosting.com/ currently; similar deals; we figure 20 gigs transfer a mon will be plenty; good price/features/reliability/support ratio is the dream
 
Thanks
CMR
 
--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->


RE: [hackers] A current endorse dean page...

2003-07-28 Thread Aldon Hynes
Friendster?!?!  Anyone else on Friendster?  I am Aldon Hynes
([EMAIL PROTECTED]).  Any supporter of the Governor is a friend of mine.

I think Friendster is very significant in the development of community
online.   We need to be out in all the online communities building our
frinedships and getting more people involved in the campaign.

Personally, I think if we want to really do something cool with the MetaDean
Talent DB, we want to be looking at where FOAF (Friend Of A Friend,
http://www.foaf-project.org/) fits in.  Is anyone working on, or interested
in working on FOAF for Drupal?

Aldon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Zephyr Teachout
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:21 PM
To: 'Neil Drumm'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hackers] A current endorse dean page...


The talent db is misnamed, really -- it has a talent db function, but
the real trick is in the display, ALA friendster, and the social
community building. Its not about the info coming in (really easy) --
more about the way of showing it that induces connections (find a
neighbor for dean).

Z

Zephyr Teachout
Internet Organizing  Outreach
Dean for America
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup
Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com
Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Neil Drumm
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hackers] A current endorse dean page...

From what I know about endorse it is a form you fill out and spam all
your friends with some premade Dean messages. That link looks like
something to gather names (which we can also do, where do we put them?).

The deanvolunteers page is closer to the talent database. How is that
part going? We won't be duplicating or conflicting with the
DeanVolunteers effort if we make that will we?

-Neil

 Original message 
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:03:42 -0400
From: Shannon Little [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hackers] A current endorse dean page...
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here is the link:

http://www.deanvolunteers.org/DeanVolunteers/top_ten.asp#7




RE: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content

2003-07-28 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
 On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Jon Lebkowsky wrote:
  One other point about Deanster: you might get some flak from
 Friendster if
  you combine that concept with that name. The Friendster guys aren't
  necessarily Dean supporters. Zephyr, you might discuss with
 legal whether
  there's any exposure - obviously it's a great name but a legal
 hassle would
  make it counterproductive, I'm afraid.

 Do you really think so, Jon, inasmuch as they're *both* (fairly
 explicitly)
 derivative of Napster, which in itself didn't really mean anything?

Napster was in no position to file suit! :)

From what I know of Friendster, their reaction would be hard to predict, but
from a biz perspective they might like the idea. We should just ask if we're
going to use the name... Zephyr says probably not, so moot point, I guess.

~ Jonster



Re: [hackers] PHP hosting recommendations for DeanSpace?

2003-07-28 Thread John P. Hoke
I currently use PSekHosting.com and they are great ... I have a 20g
transfer plan for like 179/year and up 20 domains (with unlimited
subdomains and 20 mySQL dbs, etc)

-John


John P. Hoke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://john.hoke.org
 
My gpg public key is available at http://www.hoke.org/pubkey.php
--

Random thoughts...
In my wanderings I have run across magic many times -- 
which simply says that I have seen wonders I could not explain.
--Lazurus Long, Time Enough For Love
-
Howard Dean for President 2004!
http://www.deanforamerica.com



On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 19:02, CMR wrote:
 We're ready to move on this but wanted to get everyone's input on a
 good php/mysql-friendly hosting outfit; we're looking at
 either http://www.neureal.com or
 http://www.ixwebhosting.com/ currently; similar deals; we figure 20
 gigs transfer a mon will be plenty; good
 price/features/reliability/support ratio is the dream
  
 Thanks
 CMR
  
 --enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--


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RE: [hackers] Fwd: User account details for joshk at Indiana for Dean

2003-07-28 Thread Aldon Hynes
And Ryze...

Who else is on Ryze?

I'm ahynes1 there.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Joshua Koenig
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 7:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hackers] Fwd: User account details for joshk at Indiana for
Dean

snip

 We then want to implement a mothership node which can track all the
 multivariate RSS feeds which are produced and be a go-to source for
 people looking for information on Dean, or who want to get a birds-eye
 view of what's going on in the Dean online universe. Think Technorati,
 but specifically tailored for the Dean web. We also want to implement
 (in close coordination with the campaign) a centralized site to
 organize active volunteers in a social network ala Friendster or Ryze.

snip


Re: [hackers] PHP hosting recommendations for DeanSpace?

2003-07-28 Thread Neil Drumm
Multiple MySQL DBs would be rather nice. We could easily run multiple insances of 
Drupal then (our site, sample site, development site, sandboxes for developers).

Also what will be the file access scheme? Will multiple developers be able to change 
files they control around like they can on the SourceForge sandbox?

-Neil

--  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
aim: ndrumm3
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ndrumm

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, John P. Hoke wrote:

 I currently use PSekHosting.com and they are great ... I have a 20g
 transfer plan for like 179/year and up 20 domains (with unlimited
 subdomains and 20 mySQL dbs, etc)
 
 -John
 
 
 John P. Hoke
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://john.hoke.org
  
 My gpg public key is available at http://www.hoke.org/pubkey.php
 --
 
 Random thoughts...
 In my wanderings I have run across magic many times -- 
 which simply says that I have seen wonders I could not explain.
 --Lazurus Long, Time Enough For Love
 -
 Howard Dean for President 2004!
 http://www.deanforamerica.com
 
 
 
 On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 19:02, CMR wrote:
  We're ready to move on this but wanted to get everyone's input on a
  good php/mysql-friendly hosting outfit; we're looking at
  either http://www.neureal.com or
  http://www.ixwebhosting.com/ currently; similar deals; we figure 20
  gigs transfer a mon will be plenty; good
  price/features/reliability/support ratio is the dream
   
  Thanks
  CMR
   
  --enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--
 


Re: [hackers] PHP hosting recommendations for DeanSpace?

2003-07-28 Thread John P. Hoke
Neil, from their end I do not think it would be a problem... I currently
am the only one with login to my filesystem but I am sure somethign
could be worked out with them ... they do 'bend over backwards' alot for
their customers :)

John P. Hoke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://john.hoke.org
 
My gpg public key is available at http://www.hoke.org/pubkey.php
--

Random thoughts...
We don't shoot cops if there is any way to avoid it. 
Safer to kiss a rattlesnake.
--Lazurus Long, Time Enough For Love
-
Howard Dean for President 2004!
http://www.deanforamerica.com



On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 22:32, Neil Drumm wrote:
 Multiple MySQL DBs would be rather nice. We could easily run multiple insances of 
 Drupal then (our site, sample site, development site, sandboxes for developers).
 
 Also what will be the file access scheme? Will multiple developers be able to change 
 files they control around like they can on the SourceForge sandbox?
 
 -Neil
 
 --  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 aim: ndrumm3
 http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ndrumm
 
 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, John P. Hoke wrote:
 
  I currently use PSekHosting.com and they are great ... I have a 20g
  transfer plan for like 179/year and up 20 domains (with unlimited
  subdomains and 20 mySQL dbs, etc)
  



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Re: [hackers] PHP hosting recommendations for DeanSpace?

2003-07-28 Thread Matthew Woodward
Dreamhost also allows multiple (unlimited, actually) MySQL databases 
and you can configure your own database subdomains for administration 
through PHPMyAdmin (e.g. drupal.deanspace.com).  You can have unlimited 
databases up to your account space, but they do track something called 
conueries, which as near as I can tell is a mix of connections and 
queries.  The cheapest account is 9.95/mo and comes with 5 million of 
these, to give you an idea.

No, I don't work for Dreamhost or get commissions, I'm just honestly 
impressed with them.

Matt

On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 09:32 PM, Neil Drumm wrote:

Multiple MySQL DBs would be rather nice. We could easily run multiple 
insances of Drupal then (our site, sample site, development site, 
sandboxes for developers).

Also what will be the file access scheme? Will multiple developers be 
able to change files they control around like they can on the 
SourceForge sandbox?

-Neil

--  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
aim: ndrumm3
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ndrumm

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, John P. Hoke wrote:

I currently use PSekHosting.com and they are great ... I have a 20g
transfer plan for like 179/year and up 20 domains (with unlimited
subdomains and 20 mySQL dbs, etc)
-John


John P. Hoke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://john.hoke.org
My gpg public key is available at http://www.hoke.org/pubkey.php
--
Random thoughts...
In my wanderings I have run across magic many times --
which simply says that I have seen wonders I could not explain.
--Lazurus Long, Time Enough For Love
-
Howard Dean for President 2004!
http://www.deanforamerica.com


On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 19:02, CMR wrote:
We're ready to move on this but wanted to get everyone's input on a
good php/mysql-friendly hosting outfit; we're looking at
either http://www.neureal.com or
http://www.ixwebhosting.com/ currently; similar deals; we figure 20
gigs transfer a mon will be plenty; good
price/features/reliability/support ratio is the dream
Thanks
CMR
--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--




[hackers] DeanSpace Goals

2003-07-28 Thread Zack Rosen
Think it would be possible if... 

* By Wednesday at the meeting we have found a host for DeanSpace
* By Friday we are completely moved into the new site?
* By the following Monday we are ready for the onslaught?

Who is willing to help make this possible?

http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?DeanSpace

-Zack



[hackers] deanspace domain

2003-07-28 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
I don't have a preference for .net or .org, but we have to pick one as
the primary domain for people to cite.  I've detected some preference
for .org among others, though, so i'm going to assume we're going with
that unless there is violent objection.  My plan is to issue HTTP
redirects from all of

www.deanspace.net/(.*)
web.deanspace.net/(.*)
deanspace.net/(.*)
www.deanspace.org/(.*)
web.deanspace.org/(.*)

to just deanspace.org/$1.  I hope this is an acceptable plan.

Good news: i have just received a reply from the owner of deanspace.com.
He is willing to add a link to us from his site's front page.


-- ?!ng



[hackers] Sunday IRC Meeting Notes / Transcript...

2003-07-28 Thread Zack Rosen
The transcript / outline of this past Sunday's IRC meeting are up on the
wiki:

Transcript:
http://www.hack4dean.org/txt/chat7.txt

Outline:
http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?SeventhIrcMeeting

Topic List for Sunday, July 27th IRC Meeting 
Zack / DFA stuff 
Where are we on MetaDean ? 
Where are we on Talent DB ? 
Drupal Modules 
RSS schema stuff 
Event's module and Schema 
Media Module and Schema 
Malinglists / Forum (subcription) 
Drupal themes and the footer 
DeanSpace changeover 
where to point the domains for now?

-Zack



[hackers] Event 0.3.2 released

2003-07-28 Thread Neil Drumm
Fixed a couple annoying things: for events to be in the upcoming events block or feed 
they had to be promoted and searching events by day searched in the server's timezone, 
not yours. If you happen to be upgrading only event.module changed.

This should be the last release before 0.4 which will have an online RSVP option which 
means nondestructive database changes.

-Neil

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[hackers] sidebar.module

2003-07-28 Thread Neil Drumm
Design Doc:
http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?sidebar

This module will enable admins to create sidebars such as those on the right side of 
DFA's website and share elements using RSS.

Zephyr: I would like to see at least three RSS 2.0 feeds from DFA:
-hot items which admins will be encouraged to automatically show (bats)
-everything else which site admins can pick and choose from, new items might not auto 
show
-DeanTeam thermometer for a single team member
-and maybe some feeds with other styles or targeted subsets

I will see how big of a dent in the coding I can make tonight and will post to CVS.

-Neil

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[hackers] Looking for Something more to do?

2003-07-28 Thread Zack Rosen
I put up a few new wiki task / pages.  I also volunteered some people
for them who I believe said they were interested in helping out. Here
they are.

Writing Installation Scripts
http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?InstallationScripting
 
Writing Documentation for Admin / Install
http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?Documentation
* Lynn Siprelle
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Shannon Little
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Testing Developed Tools for Usability
http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?UsabilityTesting
* Richard Soderberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you want to take part in these tasts then go sign yourself up on the
pages.

-Zack