Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc and other stuff
Here's where I begin and end on this. It is in fact the nature of the beast and one can choose, as a player to work for change within it (and risk being consumed by it), or work outside for it (and risk being used, then ultimately sidelined by it) or choose to sit it out and navel gaze to the end of days. All three have selling and damning potentials. Ours is but to choose individually. That last sentence, cast in bronze. Ours is but to choose individually. Whatever your opinion on the Dean campaign and how they interact with us, it's up to individuals to make their choices. This group is an informal association, and I don't think we're going to make a collective decision on whether we're in or out. Further, I don't think we should try to tell one another where their participation should go. Not that anyone's tried this, but I could see it happening in the future. I trust in the divinity of our collective forward momentum. -j
Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc and other stuff
That last sentence, cast in bronze. Ours is but to choose individually. Whatever your opinion on the Dean campaign and how they interact with us, it's up to individuals to make their choices. This group is an informal association, and I don't think we're going to make a collective decision on whether we're in or out. Further, I don't think we should try to tell one another where their participation should go. Not that anyone's tried this, but I could see it happening in the future. I trust in the divinity of our collective forward momentum. Looks like we're in agreement once again, Josh. The beauty as things have evolved is that there's emerged more and less in components to be involved with, so something for everyone. It's my personal opinion that it's the the persistence of both approaches, in the context of lateral authority, that will allow for complementary as opposed to conflictive purposes and thus overall growth. And it could conceivably increase the chances that the project survives in the event that fickle fortune frowns upon it's central purpose. Cheers CMR --enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--
Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc
Independent of the terminology, I believe it is crucial for any sort of online community building tool to facilitate interaction between the users above and beyond merely listing information. I am concerned from what I am hearing, that such functionality seems to be missing from 'Deanster' and I feel that needs to be addressed. What you see now is an attempt at a first iteration of this service. I find the three-step development methodology of crawl, walk, run to generally be helpful. Right now all the campaign has is a bank of email addresses and no way to connect them. Step one is to let people put a face to the name, seek each other out and make connections. Step two will be allowing them to express themselves a little more through the system. Step three will be layering on the xpertweb tools to handle reputation and tasks. It may be that it is best addressed by avoiding too strong a bifurcation between 'Deanster' and 'DeanSpace'. Indeed. When it comes to creating voluminous content and original forms of expression, we need to trust that people will find a place for that in the wider deanspace (or just online in general), and can link to that via their profile. This is the same as how I link to my own blog from my ryze profile. P.S. Personally, I think the Friendster UI sucks. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. The layout on Ryze is highly overcrowded and chaotic to my eye. Friendster is a lot more simple. cheers -j
Re: [hackers] Abandoning current theme project
I'm abandoning the grassroots theme because it's the butt-ugliest thing I've designed since 1995, and that's saying something. (Don't believe it? See http://www.siprelle.com/sandbox .) I've got one other theme idea I'm going to give a run at (black and white). Somebody point me at something. Just a quick note and two questions on themes: 1) You guys/gals are doing great work. 2) Are you (any of you) open to requests for themes? 3) Are any of you open to mentoring other graphics people who might want to create themes? We're getting serious interest from some state campaign offices about our tools, and they'll want a good look/feel but are all seriously under-resourced for this. thanks! -josh
RE: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc
What josh said :) Zephyr Teachout Internet Organizing Outreach Dean for America [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Koenig Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:03 PM To: Aldon Hynes Cc: Zephyr Teachout; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hackers] Draft Deanster Design Doc Independent of the terminology, I believe it is crucial for any sort of online community building tool to facilitate interaction between the users above and beyond merely listing information. I am concerned from what I am hearing, that such functionality seems to be missing from 'Deanster' and I feel that needs to be addressed. What you see now is an attempt at a first iteration of this service. I find the three-step development methodology of crawl, walk, run to generally be helpful. Right now all the campaign has is a bank of email addresses and no way to connect them. Step one is to let people put a face to the name, seek each other out and make connections. Step two will be allowing them to express themselves a little more through the system. Step three will be layering on the xpertweb tools to handle reputation and tasks. It may be that it is best addressed by avoiding too strong a bifurcation between 'Deanster' and 'DeanSpace'. Indeed. When it comes to creating voluminous content and original forms of expression, we need to trust that people will find a place for that in the wider deanspace (or just online in general), and can link to that via their profile. This is the same as how I link to my own blog from my ryze profile. P.S. Personally, I think the Friendster UI sucks. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. The layout on Ryze is highly overcrowded and chaotic to my eye. Friendster is a lot more simple. cheers -j
[hackers] IRC Meeting - 5 minutes....
Wednesday, July 30th, 8:30 PM EDT - #hack4dean irc.freenode.org Here are some topics i we came up with.. http://www.hack4dean.org/phpwiki/index.php?IrcMeeting Go add your own, cya there. -Zack
Re: [hackers] Abandoning current theme project
- Original Message - 1) You guys/gals are doing great work. 2) Are you (any of you) open to requests for themes? 3) Are any of you open to mentoring other graphics people who might want to create themes? I'm going to try my hand busting out some themes; I've got drupal installed and configed now on my laptop and just throwing together that Dean logo was such a treat for this right-brain deprived coder, I'm up for more. I started out doing all my own graphics and layout and I rather miss that. I'll get adequately re-aquainted with PS (I last used 5 but got a fresh copy of 7 from work) churn out a test theme or 2; then I'd be totally open to requests; freebird? CMR --enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--
[hackers] Easing potential conflict between homegrown sites and DeanSpace
Hello everyone! First I'd like to say that I'm very happy to be a part of this group. :) Uniting the various Dean movements is going to be one of the most important pieces of the puzzle to change this country's direction. It's not often that you can feel that you are really making a difference in the world, and I believe this group is, and will. Onward... This was brought up late in the meeting and was suggested to bring to the list instead: The DeanSpace plans seem to require every existing Dean group to have a DeanSpace node _in addition to_ their currently existing websites. I expect no one to be excited about abandoning their current sites... I expect few to be enthusiastic _beyond the initial excitement_ about maintaining an additional site that does not contribute to their current, homegrown sites. So could we develop stand-alone (non-drupal) modules (in php, asp, jsp, others? or perhaps just one, in client-side javascript?) that groups can put on their current sites, that will display (not alter, just display) the RSS feeds, thereby allowing a measure of integration between homegrown sites and DeanSpace nodes? Autonomy being the foundation of a grassroots movement, we don't want people to feel like DeanSpace is hijacking or upstaging their own work. Better yet, do such stand-alone modules already exist, GPL'd, and do they need to be expanded for our needs? Will we provide these as part of (or alongside) our kit? Peace, Josh Swartzbaugh [Madoc] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
