Re: [hackers] node hosting

2003-07-22 Thread zachary rosen
I've only given dean $150 so far; I could cover setup and a bunch of months for only a couple hundred more; anyway, it was just a thought. If it won't float, it won't float. CMR --enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-- - Original Message - From: zachary rosen

Re: [hackers] Dean Media Network

2003-07-23 Thread zachary rosen
Well... I am all for starting simple, and scaling things up. But I have to say - i don't like this design much at all. We are designing this network to be distributed for a reason, now would be a good a time as any to reiterate them. * Edge to Edge principal: Distributed networks are much more

Re: [hackers] Re: Legal Issues and dodo birds

2003-07-23 Thread zachary rosen
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 02:43:07PM -0500, zachary rosen wrote: Astute observations CMR - I don't disagree with a word you said. If we are official, then we have sold out. That being said I remain almost completly unconcerned

Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net

2003-07-24 Thread zachary rosen
I am not too concerned about not having deanspace.com. The only thing we would establish on the domain would be a site for techies. Techies can be entrusted to find their way to the right domain Although it would be nice to have all 3. Or we could solve the problem by buying deaanspace.net

Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents. We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they

Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote: Deanster could also act as a (Jabber/Drupal) single-sign-on point for any Drupal Dean Nodes a Deanster also frequents. We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or

Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Joshua Koenig wrote: We talked about this with Zephyr, and the deal is - if DFA run Deanster then it cannot handle Authentication for the Nodes or they would have to be vetted by DFA (ie official) so I don't think this is possible. What about the opposite

RE: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles

2003-07-28 Thread zachary rosen
://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute -Original Message- From: zachary rosen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:07 PM To: Joshua Koenig Cc: Ka-Ping Yee; Jon Lebkowsky; Zephyr Teachout; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hackers] Privacy control for profiles On Mon

[hackers] Hey - listen to this...

2003-07-29 Thread zachary rosen
Pay attention to Zephyr ... http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1359875 Cool huh? ;) -Zack

Re: [hackers] Rebuilding the foundations of NNTP

2003-07-29 Thread zachary rosen
Doing the aggregation / syndication stuff as NNTP doesn't make much sense to me. We are creating a web app, it should use web protocols. RSS is perfect for this kind of things. It forces us to create the network to be far simpler and open than if we did it with NNTP - and that is a very good

Re: [hackers] Rebuilding the foundations of NNTP

2003-07-29 Thread zachary rosen
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, zachary rosen wrote: Doing the aggregation / syndication stuff as NNTP doesn't make much sense to me. We are creating a web app, it should use web protocols. RSS is perfect for this kind of things. It forces us to create

Re: [hackers] Rebuilding the foundations of NNTP

2003-07-29 Thread zachary rosen
RSS, and was kinda miffed about it :) Good thing I was wrong. -Zack On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, zachary rosen wrote: Doing the aggregation / syndication stuff as NNTP doesn't make much sense to me. We are creating a web app, it should use web protocols. RSS

Re: [hackers] Rebuilding the foundations of NNTP

2003-07-29 Thread zachary rosen
ideas? -Zack On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 12:10:35PM -0500, zachary rosen wrote: Doing the aggregation / syndication stuff as NNTP doesn't make much sense to me. We are creating a web app, it should use web protocols. RSS is perfect for this kind

Re: [hackers] Rebuilding the foundations of NNTP

2003-07-29 Thread zachary rosen
, 29 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 12:54:00PM -0500, zachary rosen wrote: The issue was mailing lists vs. web boards; you will note that I *said* that weblogg-y stuff should be syndicated by RSS. Doing the mailinglist as Usenet is a very interesting idea

Re: [hackers] Transparency

2003-07-31 Thread zachary rosen
Yes this makes sense to me - but i think they should be authenticated before they can submit things. Comments? -Zack On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Neil Drumm wrote: Right now we are kinda opaque. People have to sign up to see whats going on. I can do whatever with the Drupal permissions or even use a

Re: [hackers] Transparency

2003-07-31 Thread zachary rosen
Submit things - as in be active in development conversations. This means using the communication tools, posting blog entries, etc. Depending on what we do with the CVS (keep SF or set up out own tree) we can handle code submission authentication in the same way. -Zack On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, CMR

Re: [hackers] Transparency

2003-07-31 Thread zachary rosen
. -Neil Original message Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:56:44 -0500 (CDT) From: zachary rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hackers] Transparency To: Neil Drumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes this makes sense to me - but i think they should be authenticated before

RE: [hackers] Easing potential conflict between 'homegrown' sitesand DeanSpace

2003-07-31 Thread zachary rosen
MT module is something we have been talking about doing for quite some time. By all means Dave - run with it, it will get a lot of use I am sure. -Zack On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Zephyr Teachout wrote: Dave et al -- As I said last night in the chat, I think the modules will be the most heavily

Re: [hackers] Mailing lists

2003-07-31 Thread zachary rosen
Q: What would go on the announcments list? I also think a graphics / theming list might be useful (no?). There was also talk of a MetaDean list and a Deanster list. What do you guys think? -Zack On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Neil Drumm wrote: We can have mailing lists off of deanspace.org. Here is

[hackers] Re: Dean, Democracy, and more (fwd)

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
To: zachary rosen Subject: Re: Dean, Democracy, and more Great to hear from you Zack. Replies below. On 7/29/03 8:44 AM, zachary rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Larry, A quick update: the project I talked about a few weeks ago at iLaw - creating open source grassroots web tools for the dean

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: A quick note - the decentralized system that is being proposed is NOT peer to peer. At the top, at the aggregator, it functions just the same as the centralized solution: One database, searchable

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: This is exactly the reason I am so opposed to this solution. It is a basic question: who do you trust more to vett / prune media on the system that comes from nodes? DMT - or the nodes themselves? We are all

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: 1] Nodes should be able to vett the media in their repositories 2] The central aggregator should be able to vett the media accessible in the central repository. With the central solution [1] becomes hard

Re: [hackers] Status: Media, VV, Action (addendum to last meeting)

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
It seems to me that there's a third way for this to work. I think the media needs to be in some ways both centrally organize/aggregated, but also distributed in terms of production and actual media hosting. In other words, there needs to be a main source for finding Dean media, but that

Re: [hackers] Status: Media, VV, Action (addendum to last meeting)

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, CMR wrote: It seems to me that there's a third way for this to work. I think the media needs to be in some ways both centrally organize/aggregated, but also distributed in terms of production and actual media hosting. In other words, there needs to be a main