[hackers] Media Network Design

2003-08-01 Thread Zack Rosen
Last night I spent a fair amount of time going over the technical hurdles of creating a distributed system. They were larger than I had previously expected, but by no means unworkable. Undoubtedly, creating the media system to be a distributed network would require more engineering effort in the

Re: [hackers] Media Network Design

2003-08-01 Thread Neil Drumm
Here is my vision for a distributed media module which I will not have time to work on so its only a vision. Start with an RSS schema that has tags for different sources and different formats of a single type of media. This schema can also do some tagging. Make a node type that lets users upload

RE: [hackers] RE: [developers] SignUpGoodAt page obsoleted

2003-08-01 Thread Aldon Hynes
I think ?!ng raises an important point, but I don't want to miss Neil's point about redundancy either. I believe that the best solution (yet more work), would be to have a ProfileSummary.module That is, everyone should put the information they did in the SignUpGoodAt page into their profile.

[hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law

2003-08-01 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
Hi, Zack. Thanks for the pointers. I'm copying the list on this so we can all have the same context in this discussion. 1. THE END-TO-END ARGUMENT -- On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, zachary rosen wrote: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_argument [...] A lot more can be

[hackers] Re: Dean, Democracy, and more (fwd)

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
Hey guys - let's figure out what we want to do about CC liscensing soon - Lessig has offered his staff to help us work through the issues. I think the latest agreement i heard was an opt out forced CC liscence in the user preferences? What are everyones latest thoughts? -Zack --

Re: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law

2003-08-01 Thread CMR
Giving people and media items a fixed address at one location vastly simplifies the problem of forming these groups and collections. It's much harder to find other users and media items scattered across many different sites than at one central site. (This is why we are building VV!) And

Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised

2003-08-01 Thread CMR
Statement edited for clarity: Granted, the feasibility of an in place, functional and reliable distributed system may well prove the best argument for the centralized option in the end. CMR --enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread CMR
Granted, the feasibility of an in place, functional and reliable distributed system may well prove the best argument for the centralized option in the end. Hi CMR, I'm sorry -- i'm still having trouble figuring out this statement. Did you mean that the *infeasibility* of a distributed

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: A quick note - the decentralized system that is being proposed is NOT peer to peer. At the top, at the aggregator, it functions just the same as the centralized solution: One database, searchable and

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:32:53PM -0500, zachary rosen wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: The only real difference between centralized and decentralized in terms of admin work required then becomes the mundane maintenance tasks: pruning and organization. If the nodes

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread CMR
A quick note - the decentralized system that is being proposed is NOT peer to peer. At the top, at the aggregator, it functions just the same as the centralized solution: One database, searchable and acessable by all - ie napster. Think I got it; so the aggregator functions like the news

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: This is exactly the reason I am so opposed to this solution. It is a basic question: who do you trust more to vett / prune media on the system that comes from nodes? DMT - or the nodes themselves? We are all

Re: Fw: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law; revised2

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, zachary rosen wrote: 1] Nodes should be able to vett the media in their repositories 2] The central aggregator should be able to vett the media accessible in the central repository. With the central solution [1] becomes hard if

Re: [hackers] Status: Media, VV, Action (addendum to last meeting)

2003-08-01 Thread Joshua Koenig
Pardon me if I'm a little late to this discussion. 2. There is significant debate over whether the database for the media repository should reside in a central location, or be distributed among DeanSpace sites. I have posted my arguments for a centralized database in/on [*] the

Re: [hackers] Re: Dean, Democracy, and more (fwd)

2003-08-01 Thread Joshua Koenig
Yes. I think CC (which flavor, I'm unsure) by default. Opt out as needed. -j Hey guys - let's figure out what we want to do about CC liscensing soon - Lessig has offered his staff to help us work through the issues. I think the latest agreement i heard was an opt out forced CC liscence in

[hackers] Re: Homegrown Sites and our system...

2003-08-01 Thread dev
I believe there is a program called Cheese Grater or such, that (given a regular expression) takes a normal HTML feed and makes an RSS feed out of it. I'm trying to find it (I'll ask the friend who referred me) but we could use that as a patchwork solution for sites that didn't want to convert.

Re: [hackers] Status: Media, VV, Action (addendum to last meeting)

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
It seems to me that there's a third way for this to work. I think the media needs to be in some ways both centrally organize/aggregated, but also distributed in terms of production and actual media hosting. In other words, there needs to be a main source for finding Dean media, but that

Re: [hackers] Status: Media, VV, Action (addendum to last meeting)

2003-08-01 Thread CMR
It seems to me that there's a third way for this to work. I think the media needs to be in some ways both centrally organize/aggregated, but also distributed in terms of production and actual media hosting. In other words, there needs to be a main source for finding Dean media, but

Re: [hackers] Status: Media, VV, Action (addendum to last meeting)

2003-08-01 Thread zachary rosen
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, CMR wrote: It seems to me that there's a third way for this to work. I think the media needs to be in some ways both centrally organize/aggregated, but also distributed in terms of production and actual media hosting. In other words, there needs to be a main

[hackers] this postcard function seems pretty effective

2003-08-01 Thread Zephyr Teachout
So you all have probably talked about this in some long ago post, but adapting this postcard function: http://www.tim2002.com/timcontents/postcards/send.shtml to easily localized postcards would be great. Z Zephyr Teachout Internet Organizing Outreach Dean for America

Re: [hackers] Notes From Meeting

2003-08-01 Thread lynn
7) Setting milestones DRUPAL/KIT: - A vanilla release - Feature list: - endorse - event (calendar) - export (rss transmitter) - import (rss recieving) -

RE: [hackers] Re: Edge-to-Edge Principal / Reed's Law

2003-08-01 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
It occurred to me that it might be useful to include David Reed in the route for this msg. David, hoping you will have time to comment on the notes below. The hack4dean guys are building a network to support regime change and then some. best, Jon L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]