[hackers] Re: Dean, Democracy, and more (fwd)
Hey guys - let's figure out what we want to do about CC liscensing soon - Lessig has offered his staff to help us work through the issues. I think the latest agreement i heard was an opt out forced CC liscence in the user preferences? What are everyones latest thoughts? -Zack -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:03:38 -0700 From: Lawrence Lessig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Haughey [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Linksvayer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED], Laura Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neeru Paharia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dean, Democracy, and more If Bush vetoes, it would be wonderful. Yes, that will become a huge issue. Let's only hope. Let me know when we can talk about the uploading/embedding stuff. I'm cc-ing (so to speak) the cc staff. We'd be eager to help make it simple for people to choose licenses for uploads. Ideally (as in MT) by setting it in their preferences. On 7/31/03 9:12 PM, Zack Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, there are two ways to implement it. One would be for them simply to release plain mp3s that say they're free. But the second (better) way would be for them to imbed CC licenses in the MP3s. The advantage to that is that it has an authenticating link back page -- which could be the Dean site. So, e.g., Lyle Lovett does a Dean song. You imbed a CC license. That license has an authenticating link back page. That link back page is Dean. Let me know if I can help with this. Ah yes. This will work nicely. They could link to whatever personal political message they had. Ok, great. The development community is moving into our new home: http://www.deanspace.org . Soon, when the move is complete, we are going to try drumming up a bit of fanfare. Campaign communities are going to set up the first network sites these coming weeks, and needless to say, we are very excited. The Dean guest-blog thing was remarkable. The implications for presidential political dialogue on the internet are extremely exciting. I am hearing interesting things about the net policy they are crafting. If Bush really pushes for the FCC veto do you think these issues may become significant in the next election? -Zack -Original Message- From: Lawrence Lessig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:51 AM To: zachary rosen Subject: Re: Dean, Democracy, and more Great to hear from you Zack. Replies below. On 7/29/03 8:44 AM, zachary rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Larry, A quick update: the project I talked about a few weeks ago at iLaw - creating open source grassroots web tools for the dean campaign - is moving along very nicely. We have early test software running (dean.sf.net), and the campaign headquarters are working very closely with us. I am taking time off from my school this next year and moving up to Burlington to work on the project as a campaign employee. That's great. Also, Joi Ito, Jay Rosen, and I are working on creating a Emergent Democracy blog /community discussion group / web site / thing. We have a long list of people we think we can get interested in participating including: You, Jim Moore, Doc Searls, David Weinberger, Mitch Radcliffe, Jon Lebkowsky, and Howard Rheingold. We are in the early stages of drafting up a design document for the site on a SocialText wikki. If you're interested in helping out now, Joi can make you an account. I'll talk to Joi about it. I have a question for you as well. What do you think of creating a creative commons liscense for artists who want to free their works from copyright but retain *some* control over the political message it is attached to? It is a great idea. First, check out http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/2003_07.shtml#001386 Second, there are two ways to implement it. One would be for them simply to release plain mp3s that say they're free. But the second (better) way would be for them to imbed CC licenses in the MP3s. The advantage to that is that it has an authenticating link back page -- which could be the Dean site. So, e.g., Lyle Lovett does a Dean song. You imbed a CC license. That license has an authenticating link back page. That link back page is Dean. Let me know if I can help with this. -Zack - Lessig Stanford Law School 559 Nathan Abbott Way Stanford, CA 94305-8610 650.736.0999 (vx) 650.723.8440 (fx) Ass't: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lessig.org/blog http://creativecommons.org http://eldred.cc Help reclaim the Public Domain: Please sign this petition: http://eldred.cc/sign How else can you help? Check out: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=Lessig - Lessig Stanford Law School 559 Nathan Abbott Way Stanford, CA 94305-8610 650.736.0999 (vx) 650.723.8440 (fx) Ass't: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lessig.org/blog http://creativecommons.org http://eldred.cc
Re: [hackers] Re: Dean, Democracy, and more (fwd)
Yes. I think CC (which flavor, I'm unsure) by default. Opt out as needed. -j Hey guys - let's figure out what we want to do about CC liscensing soon - Lessig has offered his staff to help us work through the issues. I think the latest agreement i heard was an opt out forced CC liscence in the user preferences? What are everyones latest thoughts? -Zack -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:03:38 -0700 From: Lawrence Lessig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Haughey [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Linksvayer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED], Laura Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neeru Paharia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dean, Democracy, and more If Bush vetoes, it would be wonderful. Yes, that will become a huge issue. Let's only hope. Let me know when we can talk about the uploading/embedding stuff. I'm cc-ing (so to speak) the cc staff. We'd be eager to help make it simple for people to choose licenses for uploads. Ideally (as in MT) by setting it in their preferences. On 7/31/03 9:12 PM, Zack Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, there are two ways to implement it. One would be for them simply to release plain mp3s that say they're free. But the second (better) way would be for them to imbed CC licenses in the MP3s. The advantage to that is that it has an authenticating link back page -- which could be the Dean site. So, e.g., Lyle Lovett does a Dean song. You imbed a CC license. That license has an authenticating link back page. That link back page is Dean. Let me know if I can help with this. Ah yes. This will work nicely. They could link to whatever personal political message they had. Ok, great. The development community is moving into our new home: http://www.deanspace.org . Soon, when the move is complete, we are going to try drumming up a bit of fanfare. Campaign communities are going to set up the first network sites these coming weeks, and needless to say, we are very excited. The Dean guest-blog thing was remarkable. The implications for presidential political dialogue on the internet are extremely exciting. I am hearing interesting things about the net policy they are crafting. If Bush really pushes for the FCC veto do you think these issues may become significant in the next election? -Zack -Original Message- From: Lawrence Lessig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:51 AM To: zachary rosen Subject: Re: Dean, Democracy, and more Great to hear from you Zack. Replies below. On 7/29/03 8:44 AM, zachary rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Larry, A quick update: the project I talked about a few weeks ago at iLaw - creating open source grassroots web tools for the dean campaign - is moving along very nicely. We have early test software running (dean.sf.net), and the campaign headquarters are working very closely with us. I am taking time off from my school this next year and moving up to Burlington to work on the project as a campaign employee. That's great. Also, Joi Ito, Jay Rosen, and I are working on creating a Emergent Democracy blog /community discussion group / web site / thing. We have a long list of people we think we can get interested in participating including: You, Jim Moore, Doc Searls, David Weinberger, Mitch Radcliffe, Jon Lebkowsky, and Howard Rheingold. We are in the early stages of drafting up a design document for the site on a SocialText wikki. If you're interested in helping out now, Joi can make you an account. I'll talk to Joi about it. I have a question for you as well. What do you think of creating a creative commons liscense for artists who want to free their works from copyright but retain *some* control over the political message it is attached to? It is a great idea. First, check out http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/2003_07.shtml#001386 Second, there are two ways to implement it. One would be for them simply to release plain mp3s that say they're free. But the second (better) way would be for them to imbed CC licenses in the MP3s. The advantage to that is that it has an authenticating link back page -- which could be the Dean site. So, e.g., Lyle Lovett does a Dean song. You imbed a CC license. That license has an authenticating link back page. That link back page is Dean. Let me know if I can help with this. -Zack - Lessig Stanford Law School 559 Nathan Abbott Way Stanford, CA 94305-8610 650.736.0999 (vx) 650.723.8440 (fx) Ass't: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lessig.org/blog http://creativecommons.org http://eldred.cc Help reclaim the Public Domain: Please sign this petition: http://eldred.cc/sign How else can you help? Check out: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=Lessig - Lessig Stanford Law School 559 Nathan Abbott Way Stanford, CA 94305-8610 650.736.0999 (vx) 650.723.8440 (fx) Ass't: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lessig.org/blog http://creativecommons.org http://eldred.cc Help
