Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread boazg
these aren't any noobs. they are CS students, and they care because their job might be on linux even if their desktop is windows. that's a point we have to make. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 22:08, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/30 Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il: Hello,

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
these aren't any noobs. they are CS students, and they care because their job might be on linux even if their desktop is windows. that's a point we have to make. Eli pointed out that this was at the W2L lecture: I'm working on the short talk I'm going to give on Wednesday on the W2L

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
The purpose of this W2L is twofold. Yes, we intend it both for students/developers and for desktop users, but not at the same time, usually. Of the first two talks, the first (dev tools) is specifically targeted to students (note the hour). The second is non-technical, and is specifically targeted

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Yossi Gil
Hi all, If I guess correctly, the lecture is for students of the SSDL laboratory. One of the main reasons I decided to place Linux in the lab is so that the students, especially those in the Software Engineering track, are exposed to an operating system in which all major, serious (not toy VBA)

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, If I guess correctly, the lecture is for students of the SSDL laboratory. One of the main reasons I decided to place Linux in the lab is so that the students, especially those in the Software Engineering track,

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Yossi Gil
The other side of the coin is that the purpose of the W2L from Haifux's point of view is PR for Haifux itself, making the experience more enjoyable to us all, by injecting new blood of speakers and listeners. Users who care for the Windows experience are not likely to be any of those.

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Eli Billauer
Hello again. Thanks to those who gave me valuable examples. Some of those definitely go on board. My (lightning) lecture, as planned, is going to give the practical perspective on why Linux should interest students here and now. I leave the ideological part to Monday. There are millions of

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Sorana Fraier
about listening to lectures, is it only audio or audio + video? There is a possibility to play audio at double speed. if it's with video it is more problematic. which players they use on windows to play at double speed? On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
about listening to lectures, is it only audio or audio + video? There is a possibility to play audio at double speed. if it's with video it is more problematic. which players they use on windows to play at double speed? They are audio and video files hosted on the Technion's MMS server.

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Sorana Fraier
Are they allowed to download it at all? VLC is capable to save streams locally. The problem here is that there are some players that play audio at double speed but it's problematic with the video as well. There is a pitch. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Sorana Fraier
VLC is capable of play faster. But it's not double speed. Would that be ok for them? On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Sorana Fraier sf10...@gmail.com wrote: Are they allowed to download it at all? VLC is capable to save streams locally. The problem here is that there are some players that

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
Are they allowed to download it at all? No, but there are work arounds. However, it takes a full hour to download a lecture as it can only be downloaded in realtime. And they are hundreds of megabytes in size. Downloading is impractical. VLC is capable to save streams locally. The problem

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Yossi Gil
Shahar is a subscriber. I suggest he speaks up... 2009/11/1 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Are they allowed to download it at all? No, but there are work arounds. However, it takes a full hour to download a lecture as it can only be downloaded in realtime. And they are hundreds of

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Sorana Fraier
The question is if x1.6 works ok and there is no problem of synchronization between audio and video. Did you try this on linux with vlc? On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Are they allowed to download it at all? No, but there are work arounds. However,

Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world

2009-11-01 Thread Sorana Fraier
Sorry, I didn't notice that you mentioned it doesn't work with vlc. Can you try with newer vlc and see if it works at least in the streaming with faster play. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Sorana Fraier sf10...@gmail.com wrote: The question is if x1.6 works ok and there is no problem of

[Haifux] advanced of programming in Linux

2009-11-01 Thread Shahar Dag
Hello To extent Elli's question: We try to convince our students that programming on Linux is easier / faster relative to Windows, so they better learn how to work with Linux. We claim that using the build in shell commands and pipes we can compose a solution for complex problem (almost)