Re: [Haifux] Public Domain Day event - January 5th, HaifaU
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 04:03:33PM +0200, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: A laptop with Linux, so people can see Linux on a desktop A laptop with Linux installed with kids games * gcompris should have decent Hebrew support IIRC. * sugar is interesting and innovative. I finally managed to get it working on my laptop as a separate login. Not all it working, but there are some interesting things. * Show yesterday's eclipse in Stellarium (I may or may not be able to attend) -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Pulseaudio: Sounds good in theory
Hello all, I've been doing some sound editing lately on my FC12, just to discover that there is a new annoyance in town, namely Pulseaudio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio I discovered it when Audacity failed to play back files or made choppy noises. Other applications also seem to get messed up with this piece of I-don't-know-what. My first instinct is to kick it out of my system, but since Fedora is a system for experts (are they going to open a Red Hat University soon?) I don't really know how to do that and what consequences I may face. I mean, it's not so easy to just shut down. Killing the server makes it restart (as a matter of fact, killall -9 pulseaudio has become my catch-all solution for audio problems lately). And I haven't even figured out how to disable this restart mechanism. And unfortunately, with all those fancy graphs and fluffy talk about generalized everything, I haven't gotten to grasp how the machinery ticks. Are there any special files? Domain sockets? What? Does anyone have insights about this? Is there any reason why this audio server could be really useful, except for all the fine words said about it? Weren't things OK as they were in the good old times, when audio was just /dev/dsp? But most important of all: Should I give this thing a mighty kick in the bottom? And if so, how? Thanks, Eli -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Pulseaudio: Sounds good in theory
hi. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote: Hello all, I've been doing some sound editing lately on my FC12, just to discover that there is a new annoyance in town, namely Pulseaudio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio I discovered it when Audacity failed to play back files or made choppy noises. Other applications also seem to get messed up with this piece of I-don't-know-what. My first instinct is to kick it out of my system, but since Fedora is a system for experts (are they going to open a Red Hat University soon?) I don't really know how to do that and what consequences I may face. I mean, it's not so easy to just shut down. Killing the server makes it restart (as a matter of fact, killall -9 pulseaudio has become my catch-all solution for audio problems lately). And I haven't even figured out how to disable this restart mechanism. don't kick it. many packages depend on it. gnome, kde... And unfortunately, with all those fancy graphs and fluffy talk about generalized everything, I haven't gotten to grasp how the machinery ticks. Are there any special files? Domain sockets? What? forget it :) please explain what do you do with audio, maybe it makes sense to make sure you have the right version of audacity (or additional packages for its pulseaudio support installed) Does anyone have insights about this? Is there any reason why this audio server could be really useful, except for all the fine words said about it? Weren't things OK as they were in the good old times, when audio was just /dev/dsp? there were many problems back then. it was old oss interface with no parallel device access, and many other problems. you may try using oss v4, but I doubt fedore included a pulse audio package with support to oss v.4 But most important of all: Should I give this thing a mighty kick in the bottom? And if so, how? don't do that. see the 1st remark. please specify your work tasks. Thanks, Eli -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Maxim Kovgan ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Pulseaudio: Sounds good in theory
I see that the votes stand at 1:1 right now. Anyhow, I didn't even think about uninstalling the relevant rpm (if I can find which one it is) just to see my whole computer getting uninstalled. Upgrading is not my cup of tea either. As for the things I want to do, I'll take that question as a car mechanic asking me where I want to drive to. The answer is everywhere reasonable for that kind of car. In my case, I want any possible application involving sound to work. In the past, I've even written small command line applications that opened /dev/dsp directly. I wonder if that's possible today without a B.Sc. from Red Hat University. The bottom line is that everything works if I kill pulseaudio before starting a given application. And hey, that's slightly better than fixing things by rebooting the computer, which I suppose is soon to be the best advice Linux people will get for solving their problems. Does that remind some other OS? And the solutions offered are to do things without understanding why they work, if they work. Does that remind some other OS? Since it seems like I won't understand how pulseaudio works, and it happens to work so-so, I think the best thing is to kill it without that little Frankenstein waking up again. Even just to see what happens. Isn't that the good old way to check things? The irony is that I have no idea how to do it. And if applications really depend on it in the practical sense. (I googled get rid pulseaudio fedora as suggested. That was a good lead. Maybe I'll find something interesting there) Eli Maxim Kovgan wrote: hi. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il mailto:e...@billauer.co.il wrote: Hello all, I've been doing some sound editing lately on my FC12, just to discover that there is a new annoyance in town, namely Pulseaudio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio I discovered it when Audacity failed to play back files or made choppy noises. Other applications also seem to get messed up with this piece of I-don't-know-what. My first instinct is to kick it out of my system, but since Fedora is a system for experts (are they going to open a Red Hat University soon?) I don't really know how to do that and what consequences I may face. I mean, it's not so easy to just shut down. Killing the server makes it restart (as a matter of fact, killall -9 pulseaudio has become my catch-all solution for audio problems lately). And I haven't even figured out how to disable this restart mechanism. don't kick it. many packages depend on it. gnome, kde... And unfortunately, with all those fancy graphs and fluffy talk about generalized everything, I haven't gotten to grasp how the machinery ticks. Are there any special files? Domain sockets? What? forget it :) please explain what do you do with audio, maybe it makes sense to make sure you have the right version of audacity (or additional packages for its pulseaudio support installed) Does anyone have insights about this? Is there any reason why this audio server could be really useful, except for all the fine words said about it? Weren't things OK as they were in the good old times, when audio was just /dev/dsp? there were many problems back then. it was old oss interface with no parallel device access, and many other problems. you may try using oss v4, but I doubt fedore included a pulse audio package with support to oss v.4 But most important of all: Should I give this thing a mighty kick in the bottom? And if so, how? don't do that. see the 1st remark. please specify your work tasks. Thanks, Eli -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org mailto:Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Maxim Kovgan -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
