Re: [Haifux] שרותים מהעירייה
I just sent the URL of this page to the Daily WTF: http://www.haifa.muni.il/Haifa/Pages/edjucation.aspx -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Who wants to be famous?
A nice sociology student from the University of Haifa turned to me to conduct an interview on the subject of open source software. I now live in Be'er Sheva (and wake with sand in my ears) so I cannot meet her for an interview. NOW IS YOUR CHANCE!!! If any northernly folks who contribute to open source software would like world fame, 3.1415 million dollars, 72 virgins, and root login to an NSA server, then let me know and I'll arrange an interview. You must promise to shower and (guys) shave first, so RMS is not CCed. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] No Poetry Today
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 14:37, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com wrote: Orr writes poetry, I am not in the mood. The talk queue is empty, and this is not good. So think of a topic, Suggest an idea, Pick yourself a date Winter is near. Orna writes in verse Her expression rather terse She's worried about the queue Not knowing what to do I'd like to help her assert But I'm stuck in the desert So I'm merely mock her rhyme And pass up the lecture another time. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] When was the last time you have given a talk @ Haifux?
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:33, Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In case you do not know, the next haifux meeting will take place on Monday, 30/5. You can see that this is in 4 weeks, despite the fact that ... well... you know... Monday in two weeks is actually a regular day. How this happened? Well, no one apparently does not want to talk about something... So - if you have any talk you want/think/can/desire to give, speak now or until the 30/5 hold your breath... Here's a novel idea: I'll be in Be'er Sheva that day. I'll do the talk over Ekiga / Skype / Google Chat / any other video technology. The topic? Video chat in Linux. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] When was the last time you have given a talk @ Haifux?
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 14:12, Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com wrote: Since the email, we already filled the spot with a real presence (Thanks Eli!). Great. My offer still stands, though, if you ever need to fill a spot. I think that it would be an interesting lesson for both sides of the conversation. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] MCTIP computer technician course
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:03, amichay p. k. am1chay@gmail.com wrote: Do you think the lecturer will let me sit in the class? Maybe one of you have her's email? Technion lectures don't check attendance, you could sit in and nobody would care so long as there is room in the class. However, you would have to present an ID to take a test or exam, so forget about that. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Getting mouse buttons to work
Hi all, first off I must confess that this is a crosspost. I posted a similar question to the Debian list, then to the Fedora list, but it's not getting very far and I know that there are some smart folks here who could probably help. I have a nice new Teac OX-1100 mouse with two extra multimedia buttons that supposedly perform the Zoom functions in Windows. When I try to get the scancodes with xev, xbindkeys -k, showkey, or showkey -s then I see no output. There are some other functional keys on this mouse which also show no output with those tools, such as the side scroll feature, so I suspect that there must be _some_ way to get the codes. Other than Xev, Xbindkeys, and Showkey, what tools can I use? I specifically bought this mouse because of the location of the two extra keys, as I have a manual disability and cannot use the special keys of regular mice. This is the rodent: ✈ganymede:~$ grep -i mouse /var/log/Xorg.0.log [15.197] (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled [15.289] (II) Microsoft Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000: Found 1 mouse buttons [15.289] (II) Microsoft Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000: Configuring as mouse [15.292] (II) config/udev: Adding input device MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse (/dev/input/event2) [15.292] (**) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Applying InputClass evdev pointer catchall [15.292] (**) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall [15.292] (**) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: always reports core events [15.292] (**) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Device: /dev/input/event2 [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Found 9 mouse buttons [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s) [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Found relative axes [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Found x and y relative axes [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Found absolute axes [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Found keys [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Configuring as mouse [15.300] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: Configuring as keyboard [15.300] (**) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 [15.300] (**) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200 [15.300] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse (type: KEYBOARD) [15.301] (II) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: initialized for relative axes. [15.301] (WW) MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse: ignoring absolute axes. [15.301] (II) config/udev: Adding input device MLK OX-1100 wireless Laser Mouse (/dev/input/mouse0) However, 10 of the 12 buttons work, not just the 9 that it found. I've tried to google a picture of the mouse, I see no info on Teac mice even on the Teac website. The buttons are zoom buttons that I suppose are activated by a Windows driver on the OS that the package states that it supports. Thanks in advance for any advice on how to continue! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Getting mouse buttons to work
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:19, Yedidyah Bar-David
linux...@didi.bardavid.org wrote:
I have no idea about the specific mouse or issue, but other places you
can check are:
1. Outside of X, do
od -tx1 /dev/input/mice
then press various buttons and see what happens.
Interesting approach. In fact, even buttons that _do_ work did not
reliably give any output. However, I could get absolutely zero output
from the buttons in question.
2. Try playing with acpi/acpid. E.g., from the examples of acpid
- look at /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples/default{,.sh}
(or at least that's where they are on my laptop - Debian Lenny).
I personally managed to make Fn F7 move between internal/external
monitor by playing with it and an example I once found on google -
I think it was this one:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Sample_Fn-F7_script
I have no idea if you can get acpi events from normal keys (not Fn)
and did not try this (yet?).
Thanks, but I don't see how I could adapt that to a mouse. In any
case, it would have to be after I get a scancode from the device
buttons.
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Re: [Haifux] Getting mouse buttons to work
Here is a picture of the rodent, the buttons in question are the two Zoom buttons on the upper left: http://www.pompa.co.il/images/ItemPics%5COX1100.jpg The two multimedia buttons on the left side of the mouse (below the Zoom buttons in the picture) work as expected, as does the four-way scroll. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Getting mouse buttons to work
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 16:19, Leon Romanovsky l...@leon.nu wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 16:10, Shahar Dag d...@cs.technion.ac.il wrote: Hi dotan This is from Ubunto, so it may not work for you try xinput list to see if you get any useful data (use xinput list | grep 'id=' to find mice id) if you can get data, then you can use xinput set-button-map to try and set buttons Shahar Thanks, Shahar. For some reason I did not get your mail, I only see it in the reply. Could you tell me to where it was addressed, I wonder how much other mail I'm missing. The mouse works, and does show up in xinput. Only the two Zoom buttons do not work. I've tried remapping the buttons but nothing got any output from those Zoom buttons. Hi Dotan, What is your X.org version ? ✈ganymede:~$ aptitude show xorg Package: xorg State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 1:7.5+6ubuntu3 I also tried on a Debian Squeeze partition, I'm not sure what version x.org was there but according to distrowatch it should have been 1.7.7. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [OT][NON-JOB OFFER] Beauty and the Geek 3 (Channel 10)
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:28, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I have a (probably unfounded) hope that guys on the linux lists will look for other things in women than just their external (!) beauty. Of course, if they can't cook then they're right out! Seriously, though, a production company was looking for stereotypical geeks and approached a Linux list maintainer. Were you not aware of the stereotype before you joined the list? Would you think it insulting if they were looking for Jewish extremists and approached the Hebron community? If they were looking for Salsa dancers and approached a community of Bolivian immigrants? These people know where to find what they need. It does not mean that everybody on the list meets the stereotype (they contacted Orna, a _female_) but it is reasonable to assume that there exist in this community stereotypical geeks. Where else should they have looked, in a gym? On the beach? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX LECTURE] A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:18, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 January 2011 22:36, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote: At times, we do record Haifux lectures, but I don't think that has been done for a while. This one will not be recorded for obvious reasons. Let me guess - you can't afford to pay the Copyright license, right? ;) No, it's a technical issue. The speaker is DRM encrusted, as are all Microsoft employees. I'm just learning C# and already I stutter when I say Debian on film, though in person it sounds fine. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX LECTURE] A FOSS Yankee in Microsoft's court - Boaz Goldstein
2011/1/16 Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il: Wow. This looks like a fascinating talk. But unfortunately I can't be there. Are the Haifux talks regularly recorded? If so, where can I find them, if not, can you make an exception this time? Thanks. Yes, since I left Haifa all the interesting talks have been coming out! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] a proposed lecture change
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 08:39, boazg boaz.ge...@gmail.com wrote: hi, as some of you may know, i am currently employed by Satan, e.g. Microsoft. Eli Bilauer proposed the lecture idea working at microsoft, a linux user's perspective. it sounds like a great idea, and i can fit it into my upcoming slot, especially since my cairo lecture is in no way gonna be ready on time. what you all? boazg. Tell me, did you all wait for me to leave Nesher to come up with all the interesting lectures?!? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX Lecture] SSDL Linux - a Love story or a Battle field? - Shahar Dag
Can someone record this? Patch me in via Skype? Teleport me? This is a very interesting lecture for me, but I now live in Be'er Sheva! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] two lecture proposals
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 18:35, boazg boaz.ge...@gmail.com wrote: 1) the BASH shell 2) the Cairo graphics engine Does Cairo run on Linux? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Moving house: have at my junk
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:49, Itay Donenhirsch i...@bazoo.org wrote: hi where do you live? Nesher, near Haifa. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Moving house: have at my junk
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:08, Eran Arbel sabrerun...@gmail.com wrote: That switch is a VGA controller right? Yes: video, keyboard and mouse. One of the positions is bad, but the rest work. Anyway, I could use the mirror and sunshades. They are yours. Are you near Nesher? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Moving house: have at my junk
I've had my coffee, here are the details: junk.jpg: * Atari video computer system * HP 4255 (needs work), HP 1600 (needs cartridges), Assorted chargers * Mango phone, Universal solar phone charger, Jabra bluetooth headset, Silicon case for N95, 4 port KVM, 20GB WD IDE hard drives, Optical drive (CD Writer I think), Mechanical 4 port KVM * IDE quick-remove drawer, 2 battery chargers with lots of AA batteries, Motion sensor, Electromagnet, Radio, Sony Minidisc player with lots of rewritable discs * Lamps, Speakers, Wide-view rear view mirror, Assorted wood for shelves, Car sunshades, Encyclopedic dictionary pci_junk.jpg: * 2 network cards, 2 modems * Internal ADSL modem, Sound card, TV card with remote -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Moving house: have at my junk
We're moving house and our junk is your gain. Below are two photos of the stuff you can adopt. I'm too tired now to list it all out, so I'll do that tomorrow morning. Enjoy. http:/dotancohen.com/images/junk.jpg http:/dotancohen.com/images/pci_junk.jpg -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Moving Dotan's lecture
On 22 May 2010 16:38, cool-RR cool...@cool-rr.com wrote: Hey all, I just noticed that Dotan's lecture is on the same day as IBM's SYSTOR: https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/conferences/systor2010/program.shtml I planned to attend both. SYSTOR is 3 days, and according to the official schedule the first day should end before 18:30. But conferences often run late, and in any case it will be tiring to go to two events the same day. Will Dotan and the people here be interested in postponing the lecture to next week? If not, I'll understand. I should have noticed this clash with SYSTOR weeks ago and told you then, sorry. Ram. I have no problem moving the lecture if others want to. I'll let the community decide. Will many people be at SYSTOR? Note that if it is moved it will likely be a two-week postponement, that is until the next Haifux meeting. That would either postpone Asaf's lecture, or postpone my own a month. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Where were the organizers?
On 21 May 2010 09:15, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010, Eli Billauer wrote about Re: [Haifux] Where were the organizers?: Please keep in mind that the only dedicated staff in any lecture, is the speaker himself (or herself). Arriving at a lecture expecting that everything has been fixed by just somebody is a bit of a gambling. While I agree that nobody owes anybody anything, I don't think this is a valid attitude. You have to remember that even if nobody is in charge of haifux, the lecturer often hasn't got any clue on any of the details. Just as an example, when I gave my Hspell presentation a couple of months ago, I had a few moments of worry. First, the fascists at the gate didn't let me in - apparently they didn't get the fax that was suppsosed to have been sent by someone in Haifux. After 10 minutes of arguments, and help from a chaver telefoni (Orna), they let me in. I usually arrange the entrance to the Technion. Going through the fine archives, I see that nobody requested ahead of time to arrange entrance. I will try to contact lecturers from now on, to ask if they need entrance to the Technion. Thanks for letting me know that this may be a problem. That projector isn't exactly national security... What would it hurt to duplicate the key and give it to many Haifux regulars? How difficult is it to have a smoother car-permit process? Blaming the presenters on not taking care of these things is a bit silly, I think. I think that the process is as smooth as it can be: just let me know. However, if it is not known that I should be contacted, that is a problem! Additionally, there is no place to store such a duplicate key for the projector. There are no regulars. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Where were the organizers?
On 10 May 2010 22:52, Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, For future reference: In case the desk with the projector equipment is locked, please go to the second floor, to room 203 (Alex Ratinzki's room), and ask Moti (who sits there) to open the projector at room 6. As for the organizers, we have other commitments, and we cannot arrive to all meetings, but usually there is at least one person in the audience who has the key (or knows Moti). For reference, Moti's (and his second-in-command, Alex) phone numbers: 04-829-4355 052-241-0243 -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX Workshop] The Web Rant Workshop
If you would like to have other means of communicating the current target, please let me know by private email. Orr, we should _not_ all write to the websites at once! It will be obvious that a small group of zealots is targeting them. Rather, it should appear to the sites that there are genuine problems that regularly affect everyday users. We should coordinate so that each site gets a letter from a different user every week, and don't even mention the browser or OS in the initial contact letter. I will gladly volunteer to coordinate this: interested users should register with me, and once a week (not always on the same weekday) I will send to them the address of a site to write to. That will ensure a steady flow of non-related complaints: a tactic that is much more effective than 5 complains all at once. I presented this idea before, and advocates such as Shlomi Fish from Linux-IL showed interest. I will organize everything now, and come to the meeting prepared. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX Workshop] The Web Rant Workshop
Even though we haven't tried as a community to approach such webmasters on a regular basis, history shows that people approached webmasters as individuals, and usually it did not succeed. Maybe trying as a group would have a better effect. I disagree. I have contacted tens of sites, and in most cases found that the sites want to accompany the users. In fact, only Israeli sites seem to have the my way or the highway attitude, and even that has changed since IE 7 came out. We'll talk about that at the meeting. Now, approaching several websites at the same time should be OK, as usually they do not correlate and share information about: hey XXX YYY ZZZ WWW all sent me complaints about W3C compliance Moreover, history shows that long term coordinated events are harder to pull over one time energy spike. A one-time event of ten emails is less effective than a one-time event of a single email. A one-time event of a single email means a lost purchase. A one-time event of ten emails means some zealots are being shmucks. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX Workshop] The Web Rant Workshop
I wish that I had seen this message sooner. I have been contacting sites about this issue for years. I hope to be there at 18:30, there is a lot that we as a group can do together to convince these sites to change. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Haifos?
Gah, this thread should have been a week ago. Like http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/969355 . Was that a serious question? No, that date, it looks familiar... I am going to post that very question to ubuntu-users. Oh, the troll I've become... -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Haifos?
Considering that many lectures and mailing list topics are not Linux-specific, might it be wise to take Shlomi Fish's example and rename to Haifos - Haifa Open Source? I personally like promoting Linux in the group name, but it is a bit inaccurate. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Haifux lecture on Yom Hasho'a?
On 2 April 2010 03:36, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote: Hello all, This message is relevant only for those who want to attend Haifux' next lecture about Genetic Algorithms. The Genetic Algorithm lecture is currently scheduled on April 12th. This happens to be Yom Hasho'a, or to be precise, the evening after the day of the ceremonies. So formally, there is nothing wrong with this date, but we wouldn't like to lose listeners because of this. The week following is Erev Yom Ha'azmauth, so the next possible date is April 26th. Haifux hasn't met for quite a while, so the dilemma is whether to postpone the lecture, and leave an even larger hole, or to run the lecture as scheduled, if the attendees are fine with it. So if you have serious intentions about attending, please cast your vote: http://www.doodle.com/qb9v7axc3ipi9xhe This would also be a good opportunity to remind you that we're open for suggestions on lectures in any subject which has some connection (even vague) with GNU, Linux or FOSS in general. Thanks and Hag Sameah (Pesach, that is). Eli Although I don't see anything wrong with the date, how much resistance would there be to delaying it one day? I don't think that there would be a problem with using the Taub building. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Whole disk encryption, because it costs nothing?
How about doing incremental backups every night(or week) to amazon S3? Duplicity tool can achieve this easily. Also TimeDrive is a nice GUI for it: http://www.oak-tree.us/blog/index.php/science-and-technology/time-drive. Thanks, Zaar, I just might do that! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Whole disk encryption, because it costs nothing?
It crossed my mind that a sequential test was too simplistic. My ideal test would be a database server running like crazy on the data, but this is not my application anyhow. I agree that I should test the system under load but I can't really think about a realistic under load scenario for 4 hyperthreaded CPUs. At least not something that I could test without turning it into a project. So I went for the session below. Why not use the Phoronix test suite: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Whole disk encryption, because it costs nothing?
I wound up setting up an encrypted partition, but only placing there things I consider sensitive (which does include the swap, mail, client's sources, my family images etc.), as well as some other automatically generated stuff (such as /var/lib/mlocate and ~/.bash_history, both via symlinks). I guess it really depends on your use scenario. I also considered putting personal things such as photos in an encrypted partition, but I wonder about data recovery. I backup every month, but for the most recent things, can data recovery be performed? I usually use JFS partitions, but I am open to others if need be. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Welcome to Linux - Help needed
2009/11/3 Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com: Hi everybody. The second poster is now online. I've put a more noticeable note in English. Hebrew to follow (when the magicians of hebrew will take care of that). Do you need magicians? How can I get write access to the server? I am familiar with HTML. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world
these aren't any noobs. they are CS students, and they care because their job might be on linux even if their desktop is windows. that's a point we have to make. Eli pointed out that this was at the W2L lecture: I'm working on the short talk I'm going to give on Wednesday on the W2L opening event. For CS students who need to know that Linux exists, I agree with you. But not for potential new desktop users. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world
about listening to lectures, is it only audio or audio + video? There is a possibility to play audio at double speed. if it's with video it is more problematic. which players they use on windows to play at double speed? They are audio and video files hosted on the Technion's MMS server. The files are not stored locally, they are streamed over the network. Downloading them for local play is not feasible as the files are hundreds of megabytes in size and stream in realtime. That means that downloading a 60 minute lecture takes 60 minutes. Although the lectures can be played at high speed, they cannot be downloaded as such. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world
Are they allowed to download it at all? No, but there are work arounds. However, it takes a full hour to download a lecture as it can only be downloaded in realtime. And they are hundreds of megabytes in size. Downloading is impractical. VLC is capable to save streams locally. The problem here is that there are some players that play audio at double speed but it's problematic with the video as well. There is a pitch. I have tried VLC, it does not play these videos at higher speed. I think that pitch-control is already built into the newest VLCs. VLC is capable of play faster. But it's not double speed. Would that be ok for them? Depends on the student. I like x1.6 speed. Most like x2.0. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [HELP HELP] Uses of Linux in the real world
2009/10/30 Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il: Hello, I'm working on the short talk I'm going to give on Wednesday on the W2L opening event. I'd like to give some examples of well-known uses of GNU/Linux. Does anyone have information, or even better, pointers to credible sources of such information? Does anyone have any credible number of Linux penetration in servers, business and government desktops? For example, some of Edimax wireless routers are actually Linux machines. How do I know? Because they give a link to the source. (See http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=268pl1_id=3pl2_id=18 ) I need more like these. Or articles. Thanks in advance, Eli You can tell them that Dotan Cohen uses Linux at home. Seriously, Linux noobs don't care which toasters or badgers are running Linux. They want to know if their desktop can do in Linux what it did in Windows. That's all. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Welcome to Linux - Help needed
2009/10/19 Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com: Dear all, To help us promote the upcoming W2L events, we've created a small poster in PDF (or ODT) format. Just print and put next to where people you know may find it. For the posters - http://www.haifux.org/W2L-Poster.pdf or http://www.haifux.org/W2L-Poster.odt See you there! That's great, but when the user actually goes to that adress, what does he find? I visited haifux.org from the point of view of someone who has never heard of Linux, and I found absolutely no information about the meetings. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Welcome to Linux - Help needed
Well, I think that the fact that there are four lectures marked as W2L is clear enough. No, it certainly is not. For one thing, what is W2L? Yes, _I_ know what it is, but does the newbie know? Furthermore, that information is hidden on the page. The site needs a big, bright, obvious link for the newbies who found the site from the posters to click on. From there, they should get a very informative, clear page. If you have any suggestions on how to improve their visibility, feel free to send them to us (webmas...@haifux.org) offline. I will try to spend some time on the literary content this week. But does anybody have any gimp skills to make a nice Welcome noobs, click here banner? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [W2L] Call for lecturer + Linux guru
2009/10/15 boazg : as a side note, a seperate lecture on git for CS students, and how to use it with t2 would be a good idea. As a subside note, a separate lecture on getting the video.technion.ac.il site videos working in Linux would be great. VLC plays them, but not at 150% speed or other effects. This is rather important for video lectures. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [W2l] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
When talking with someone a few days ago, I had a moment of Serendipity (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity ). Why don't we do a Welcome-to- FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) this year instead of Welcome-to-Linux? We could show people some cool stuff about FOSS in both Linux and Windows: I think that this is a great idea, in fact I often introduce new users to Firefox and occasionally to Open Office as well. 1. Cross-platform (or even Windows-only) User-oriented FOSS - Firefox, OpenOffice.org, Inkscape, VirtualBox, GIMP, 7-zip, Notepad++, Audacity, various FOSS games, other stuff here - http://wiki.perl.org.il/index.php/FOSS_on_Windows and here - http://www.opensourcewindows.org/ This is a great idea. I must state, however, that in contrast to other FOSS applications (such as Firefox, Audacity, and Thunderbird), introductions to Open Office and Gimp should start with their drawbacks (OOo-MSO compatibility issues, Gimp UI different than Photojopa). Once users convince themselves that they can live with the drawbacks, they are then ready to accept the benefits. Firefox, Thunderbird, and Audacity do not suffer from serious drawbacks so this is not really an issue with them. 2. Open Source Development with a focus on rapid scripts/GUI-programs/etc. development using Perl/Python/Ruby/etc.[ScriptLang] 3. Don't be afraid of the command line. - why the UNIX command line can be useful. No! This should _never_ be in an introduction to anything! _You_ find it comfortable, others find it scary. Don't tread here. 4. The Free and Open Source Software philosophy and ideology and its positive implications on FOSS development and the computer and software industry: - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/foss-other-beasts/ - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/obj-oss/ - Also see the links from there. (Ori would probably be happy to give it.) Just don't make it a religion and people will be interested. 5. And naturally and possibly - something about how to try out Linux, possibly using a VirtualBox/etc. VM. I find that giving them a dual-boot system works better than giving them a VM. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [W2l] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
IMHO, we should also pay a careful attention to how the title will sound in Hebrew. I suggest: ברוכים הבאים לעולם של תוכנה חופשית In Morphius' voice. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Me Volunteering to Give a Presentation
2009/9/7 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: ... Remember, LUG is Linux _User_ Group, so I think that the lectures should focus on the users. What's in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; ---Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, 1594 Are you arguing that words have no meaning, and that one could say whatever he wants, giving his own meanings to the words and let the listener guess as to what the meanings might be? My answer to your quote would be: A clever quote proves nothing -- Voltaire Haifux is what we make of it. We are the people who attend the meetings. With that I could agree! Therefore, we have long ago expanded the charter of a LUG to code developing, non-Linux FOSS, open architectures, free graphics, public domain literature, free licensing and other related topics. I have no problem with this, in fact as a largely silent member of Haifux I do not expect that it would matter even if I did have a problem! However, I felt it right to point out to Shlomi from which perspective his lecture would be most parallel with what I perceive Haifux to be. BTW, when Haifux was founded in 1999 by guy keren and Orr Dunkelman, it was not based on a LUG but on LUPG - Little Unix Programmers Group: http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/ I see no mention of Haifux on that page, nor of that page on the Haifux site. Therefore, one could not deduce the Little Unix Programmers Group moniker from publicly- available Haifux information. I will however quote the opening lines of the Haifux website: The Haifa Linux Club is a home for Linux users and programmers in the Haifa area. Haifux stands for Haifa Linux Users Group. So, while you are correct that the group is made for programmers as well as users, I still contend that the name implies users as the main audience. Despite that, being that programmers are specifically mentioned in who the group is for, a lecture aimed at programmers would in fact be appropriate for the group. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Me Volunteering to Give a Presentation
Well, this is mentioned once in a while (especially when we discuss the charter of haifux). I need to read that charter! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Me Volunteering to Give a Presentation
2009/9/6 Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il: Hi all, due to the lack of recent volunteer presenters in the open-source clubs, I decided to step forward and volunteer to give a presentation. The usual caveat is that I tend to give pretty bad presentations: I don't have good diction, tend to create bad slides (though I'll try to spice them with some images, and good presentation advice - http://perl.net.au/wiki/Resources_for_Presenters - etc.) In any case I can give a talk about: 1. CMake - http://www.cmake.org/ - the opossum alternative to the GNU Autotools (a.k.a GNU Autohell). I gave a presentation about GNU Autotools before, which I knew were very bad, but has since then reached nirvana with CMake. 2. jQuery - portable and concise JavaScript - http://jquery.com/ - jQuery is the write less - do more JavaScript library, which abstracts most common JavaScript tasks in a succinct interface, which greatly speeds up and facilitates the coding. My approach to this will be to give several jQuery examples, and explain how and why they work. 3. Bottom-up Subversion - an introduction to http://subversion.tigris.org/ in a bottom-up fashion, as a complementary to the svnbook - http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ . 4. Anything from here - http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/ . I may need to update some of these presentations. 5. I can also adapt a lot of stuff from here - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/ (should have been /essays/ or /articles/ or something - yet another historical URL on my site) to presentations. 6. I've been working on the fifth installment of my Perl-for-Newbies presentation: http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture5/ My Perl-for-Newbies presentations did not prove very popular when I gave them one after the other to Telux, but I can give this separately. From the Haifux list, I would be ver interested in hearing you lecture about Jquery. I will be swamped with exams until the end of October, though. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Proposal for lecture 221: Introduction to Qt4
I just saw the other mail mentioning that the lecture will be in two days. See you there. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Proposal for lecture 221: Introduction to Qt4
2009/9/2 Diego Iastrubni elc...@kde.org: Hi all, I un-employed and bored and to fill my time I can give a lecture on Haifux. My topic is introduction to Qt4, and I will discuss: Why do we need a cross-platform toolkit The qmake build system Strings, list + iterators in Qt4 signals+slots Basic GUI building The purpose of the lecture is not to teach Qt4, but to explain what is available in Qt4 and then sit on your ass a learn it. The lecture is available online at http://qtedit4.googlecode.com/files/Introduction%20to%20Qt4.odp Please comment - diego I have exams on 16-9 30-9 and 15-10 so if the lecture does not interfere with that schedule, I will be there. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] save my Linux
i understand that if i burn an Ubuntu installation disc and just start a new installation every thing will go back to normal (i rather stay with Ubuntu and not KDE, i fined it friendlier). I don't promise that everything will be back to normal as it will be slightly different (improved) from your old install, but that is the fast route to a working install that will last a long time. if i cannot start Linux how will i back up the files that are saved on that partition? LiveCDs are great for this. and still with partitions: i have 3 main partitions on the hard disc, will the Ubuntu installation need redefining those partitions? and will Grab still work correctly? ( I'm not sure how you write it but its the program that allows you to choose whether to start windows or Linux) You will need to tell it where to install. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] save my Linux
Hello Zohar. It sounds like you've stopped the computer and botched a critical update. As Ubuntu 7.10 is no longer supported, the simplest (by far) solution would be to save your /home/ directory then install Ubuntu 9,04. You are in for a nice or a nasty surprise (depending on your point of view) if you use KDE, though. Before proceeding with my advice, however, have your brother confirm or deny that it is a good solution. He's the guy that _I_ trust! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] save my Linux
Personally, I'm a bit queasy about recommending 9.04 to people. It has too many reports of sound and video not working for people. I would go with 8.10 for newbies. I counter with Bluetooth not working in Kubuntu 8.10 (may not be an issue for Ubuntu / Xubuntu users, but was for me) and video display problems on my ATI x1400 Mobility Radeon card. I have installed Kubuntu 9.04 on a few systems, both desktops and laptops, and haven't yet run into sound problems. I did run into video problems with Mythbuntu one machine that was to be used for a satellite-based media center, though. The user wound up going with XP, which also had video problems if I remember correctly. In short, every two steps of progress in Linux is one step back, and Zohar will not know if Ubuntu 9.04 will work for him or not until he tries. Without knowing his equipment I'd hazard a guess that the odds are in his favor (from previous experience) and if not, 8.10 is only a half-hour install away (and another burned disc). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] what's the status of getting into the technion with a car?
If you reach after-hours and say your destiny is Michlol, there is a very good chance they will let you in. Actually, the Miclol is closed at 18:00 so be careful with that one! But the swimming pool is another good destination, and it is open until 21:00 at least every day. Don't say that you are visiting someone in the dormitory, because they call and check that, and often request that you park outside the Technion in any case. Although the VIP card is a nice thing. How do you get it? There is a Budke to the right of the Neve Shaanan entrance. That is security, where all passes are given. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] what's the status of getting into the technion with a car?
is it possible these days for haifuxers or not? Call me when you need access and I will arrange it. 054-788-1700 -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] OpenCL Talk postponed
Due to strong community feelings regarding Yom- Hasho'a evening, Ofer Rosenberg's OpenCl talk has been postponed to May 25th. Thanks. I will make sure that he has clearance for entering on that date. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] French Police Move to FOSS, Save Millions
Does any one know what is the proliferation percent, roughly, of FOSS in Israel government and national organizations? I think that it hovers somewhere around i%. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Windows-Free laptops in Haifa
As far as I've seen, it tells the user to check the policy for refund. It can very well be to cancel the whole deal, for a refund of the whole sum. And the software can also be considered a present. I mean, suppose that you go to the supermarket, and you get an extra piece of something because you bought for X shekels. Do you think you'll have a chance to get a refund for that? Then just erase the Windows and know that you would have paid the same price had you declined the present from the beginning. But in any case, the _effort_ of asking Dell for a non-Windows laptop is important, because the more they hear it the likelier they will be to provide it. And if you bought a travel package, and then found out something was wrong about it, wouldn't the best expectation be to simply cancel the deal, all money back? The thing you're missing here, is that when you buy a laptop, you're aware that there it comes with Windows. The only thing you can complain about, is that you were forced to agree to something you don't agree with. The only sensible solution in this case, in normal business terms, is to cancel the deal. Completely. Yes, after you've made a stink about Windows. Let Dell decide that the best course of action is to cancel the transaction, rather than to refund Windows. And at a bare bare minimum you've shown that Linux users exist. That's the current problem: they don't think that we exist because we are not vocal enough. I'm glad that Zvi Devir made some noise, because it got the message through, that a computer can run something else than Windows. But as far as I'm concerned, that's all there is to it. Then do that. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] The 10th tip?
The curriculum is such that they use Linux right from the start - that is, they have to make their C and C++ programs run on our mainframe - and they use a terminal windows to logon to that. Moreover, in their second semester Introduction to Systems Programming they learn about makefiles, shell programming and other UNIX stuff. We just do not do enough to make this learning effective... But, this beginners' courses lie out of the scope of SSDL. I have worked in a mechanical garage for six years. I know to rebuild engines, replace entire steering / braking systems, replace almost anything electrical in the vehicle, replace trim components, and of course how to diagnose mechanical problems. I have no problem getting all dirty and spending days on a customer's vehicle. But my own car? No thanks, I want it trouble free and I do _not_ want to get dirty. I think that it is reasonable to assume that CS students feel the same about their professions and their own computers. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Linux + Hebrew?
The situation is different with Linux: the Hebrew menus are confusing at best. They use inconsistent terminology, and, worse from my perspective, they feature embarrassing Hebrew mistakes and colloquialism. In using Linux in Hebrew, I find these do distracting that I loose focus. Please mention bugs like these on the Hebrew bugzappers list, and on the bugtracker for the application that you are using. Thanks. There is plenty of English documentation out there, and there is no hope for us to compete with these - students can find the material in English if they wish to. The difficulty is that they not always have this initial motivation. Our Hebrew documentation should serve in bridging the gap. Agreed 100%! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Long messages
Following the very large volume of communication, I've increased the maximal message size to 100 KB (the previous bound of 40 KB was to protect us from spam). Can we get attachments? I do not see that spam is yet a problem on this list. Furthermore, over 90% of my spam is under 20 kb. BTW, I would like to remind all that Hebrew is not the official language of this mailing list. While I have no problem with written English, is there a Hebrew-language list somewhere? It would be nice. I think that the Ubuntu-IL list is Hebrew, but there hasn't been a post there in months! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Bookcrossing tomorrow
2009/2/1 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com: I intend to bring some books to Haifux tomorrow (Tim Lord's lecture on /., reminder). Some Kilograms of fantasy. Ready for the taker (pay it forward style) Thank you Orna! I will be enjoying Dune as soon as this semester ends! Whoever wants it next can contact me. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Student complaints.
2009/2/2 Ohad Lutzky o...@lutzky.net: Point of information: VLC can, in fact, play the Technion videos, and is configured properly to do this at the lab. Ask the advisor (Tzafrir, last I checked) about this. Really? Can it fast forward, rewind, skip a few seconds back, jump to a new place, play back faster than normal? These are all features that I do regularly when watching video lectures. If so, can ME students get access to the lab? What beer does Tzafrir like? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Student complaints.
Err... what format do they use there? Streaming WMV from a Windows server. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Student complaints.
CAD/CAM for linux: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/159/ Orr, there is nothing that even comes close to competing with Solidworks. Moving students from Solidworks to anything that runs on Linux would be like removing MS Office and giving them Ed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Student complaints.
3. If they choose to use the same OS at home, they can get it absolutely free. Last time I checked, students always complain about the lack of money - so I find it hard to understand their desire to pay for Windows and the outrageously-expensive MS-Office. The Technion already bought all the students MS Windows, Office, and other software. So price is not an issue. Furthermore, piracy is the norm at the Technion and in Israel in general. Sorry, Linux cannot compete on price when Windows is essentially free. Worse, students ask why should they use 'free' when 'expensive' is available for the same price. You don't need to lecture me about the reasons, I know them well, but I am telling you what you are up against. 4. A typical Linux system has a much bigger variety of software than Windows, simply because on Windows every piece of commercial software (which is the type of software these students are wishing for) costs money. In a software development lab, most likely nobody will purchase software for photo editing, for OCR, for PDF encoding, for speech synthesis, or who knows what a student might need for his or her project or personal interests. On Linux, all of these things come (depending on how/what you installed) already with your OS, absolutely free. Linux has a broader selection of software, but it is the _wrong_ software. My faculty (mechanical engineering) insists upon sending us DOC files that do not display properly in OOo. There is no viable CAD software for Linux. No Linux video player can play the Technion's video lecture files. Shall I go on? I only have Ubuntu on my personal computers. That means that for all intents and purposes, I have no computer at all. I am stuck in the Technion computer farms at 3 am waiting for the Arabs to finish their C homework (the Turbo C version, mind you, not GCC compatible) or watch their lectures, or read their mail. But one good thing comes out of this: I see that the Arab students, the only students other than us Linux users who don't seem to have their own computers, are the most serious students at the Technion. They work hard and they work late. I learned a few things about study discipline from them. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Needed: Laptop+Firefox+Jabber for today
2009/2/2 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: Just to say that I wish you had a great meeting. Sorry I could not attend. Maybe in some other time. Probably one of the best meetings ever. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Needed: Laptop+Firefox+Jabber for today
2009/2/2 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com: Hi all, If anyone coming has a laptop which can be lent for the purpose of the presentation, with firefox and a jabber client on it (or is willing to install one), it would be highly appreciated and contributing. At what hour? 18:30? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] KDE?
2009/1/29 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: KDE is of course not related to networking, but, as I said, networking worked with 4.0 but not in 4.2. I guess it is an issue of integration with the distribution.I was not motivated enough to try to solve the problem, and I removed 200MB or so of KDE. I will just wait for Kubuntu 9.04, and give it another good try then. Re: KOffice, I asked that it is installed in the lab, so that students could play with it, and see that there is a diversity of tools to choose from. IMHO, LaTeX is the best for most tasks which take more than 1 to two pages. I would recommend that you don't use Koffice in the lab. Open Office is better developed and more compatible with common formats, furthermore, there is a native Windows version. I really think that pushing Koffice is a mistake at this point, with all due respect to the Koffice team. I fully support the Koffice efforts and we really need competition in the area, but right now the non-MSO market needs one consolidated player, and that is OOo. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Using apt to make a student ubuntu distribution
2009/1/28 boazg boaz.ge...@gmail.com: i think something like this is more fitting The project's choice of name is very... provocative. It reminds me to say PSTS instead of POTS when referring to analogue telephones in Israel. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] The April Event.
2009/1/28 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: 1. As per Dotan's advice, I just filled in a request for 50 Ubuntu disks, to be handed out to students. It would take time, but perhaps we will obtain this in time for the April meeting. 2. People who like Kubuntu better, should perhaps do the same... 3. But, we will discuss the April event on our Thursday party on Feb 19th. Discs delivered in April will likely be Ubuntu 8.10 as the 9.04 will take time to begin pressing _after_ 9.04 is released, which is scheduled for _late_ April. I currently have in my possession one official Kubuntu 8.04 and one Kubuntu 8.10 disk. They are pretty, and the licensing terms are printed right there in the clear: You are encouraged and legally entitled to copy, reinstall, modify, and redistribute this CD for yourself and your friends. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Party? Yes! Mark your calendars... Say YES if you will come.
- Raise your hand if you would like to take part in the Wiki updates. ☝ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] The April Event.
2009/1/29 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: I would like to make a paid order of disks. No point in doing that before 9.04 is out. Agreed about waiting for 9.04. Although Shipit will charge for multiple disks, if you write to Canonical and express that the disks are for distribution in Linux parties for noobs then they will likely send them for free. Then you save on disks, save on shipping, and most importantly do not have to deal with customs. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Wiki updates.
2009/1/29 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: Thanks Dotan for agreeing to help with SSDL wiki. Sure! I must stress, though, that I study mechanical engineering, not CS, at the Technion. Shahar: Can you please open a Wiki account for Dotan? I did not mention this before, but I think we could easily open an account and grant SSDL access to interested HLC members. The wiki itself asks for this info, so here is: * your full name Dotan Cohen * your e-mail address ssdl-linux splat dotancohen spot com * your phone number 0547881700 * and the project you want to contribute to Information for new Linux users, specifically for users switching from a Microsoft operating system. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Virtual Box\Machine
2009/1/29 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: Tal, I missed that note of yours. As you can all tell, I am not a big expert on distributions and the myriad of products. (I used to have a good understanding of the basic concepts, old kernel structure and the such, but not much more.) Anyway, I checked a bit about andLinux and about coLinux. They seem like good idea. I only knew about WUBI. Perhaps we should make a short web page describing alternatives for running Linux inside windows, so that interested students could do it? It would be real good if this is in Hebrew. We could put this page on the SSDL wiki, so that there is a joint editing effort? Anyone here interested in drafting something? This does not have to be full well balanced review, but just a summary so that interested people could check out the alternatives themselves? I hav enever used those technologies (I don't have Windows) but from gut feeling I think that having a real dual boot, or a single boot with Windows in VirtualBox, would be best. Running Linux inside of Windows sounds like having the terrible application selection of Linux, with the terrible stability and resourcefullness of Windows. A lose-lose situation. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Virtual Box\Machine
2009/1/27 Eran Arbel sabrerun...@gmail.com: Some things, like Word, work on a Virtual machine and I've been told to use Cedega but I could also use help on that front. Hebrew Word does not work at all in any wine or wine-based system, so we still need virtualization for that. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Virtual Box\Machine
2009/1/28 Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com: Hi. The Pizza/Softdrinks party will not run formal installation, but there is no decree against installation during that time. The lab has Ubuntu 8.04 distribution CD. If people could bring their other installation disks, perhaps we can help you out. Ask Canonical to send 10 officially burned Ubuntu 8.10 disks. They look nice professional, and it shows that the user is getting official software, not just another downlaoded cracked burned stolen OS. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] KDE?
Another thing that I'd like to mention is that I recommend Open Office instead of Koffice, just for compatibility's sake. They do not interpret ODF the same way. If you want help with the wifi, let us know and we will solve it. First, though, try opening knetworkmanager and see if that will get you connected. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Party????
I see that I am a bit late. I would like to help with the 'party' as well. I have done Linux installs for about 20 people, even some at the Technion, and of course I am the 'go to' person afterwards. So I am familiar with many of the issues new Linux users face, especially Hebrew- and Israeli- related issues. However, I see two problems with the date of the party: 1) The Technion will be in exams at the time planned. I suggest that the party wait until April, when people will have less on their heads. 2) Kubuntu 9.04 is being released in April with KDE 4.2. I have four people that I have told them that I will only change their WIndows XP Cracked Edition computers to Linux when that release is made. KDE is much more comfortable that Gnome for Windows converts, and KDE 4.2 is 95% of what KDE 3.5.x was, plus a whole lot more. However, the KDE 4.1 in the current Kubuntu release is _not_ meant for end users (and it shows) and moving someone to the all-but-abandoned KDE 3.x branch is not good at this point. I say that we wait three months, and can therefore deliver a better product at a more comfortable time. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Welcome2Linux?
2009/1/13 Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il Hello Haifa Linuxers! I wonder - why was it so long since we had Welcome 2 Linux lectures in Haifa? I had a couple of friends at home a week a go that have just installed Linux on their Laptops. One of them told me he haven't turned on his Window$ machine for more than a week and he is really happy with his Ubuntu 8.10 install (everything works - even WiFi) but he would like to know some more, have a better understanding of the inner workings of the Linux OS. I came across the Linux Reality Podcast and thought we could hold a series of lectures along the lines of the Podcast outline. Please don't flame me too much Sounds like a great idea, Amichai, but I am way too busy until May to even think about participating. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [CALL FOR LECTURE] R programming Language
2009/1/13 Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il: And in case someone picks up on this offer, I suggest comparing with MATLAB. Or Octave, if you're into free software. My impression was that it's basically the same principle, and we're facing Yet Another Language (TM). R is not meant to0 compete with Matlab, Octave, Maxima, or other CAS. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Warning: bug 2009
2008/12/31 ik ido...@gmail.com: Hi, I had a very small and bad bug that I discovered today. I use strftime to format a date, and I accidentally used the %g option rather then %y. The difference is that %g is returning the year of the week (2009 this week), while %y return the year of today (2008). So I wanted to warn everyone, so if you made the same mistake, you could find it easily enough. Ido Feature, not a bug! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Warning: bug 2009
2008/12/31 Noam Meltzer tsn...@gmail.com: Feature, not a bug! Bitchure, not a feature :) I'd actually call that a feature with six legs :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Some options for talks by a CEO from the silicon valley (on a special day)
2008/12/9 Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Open source - why? The people who go toLinux users groups don't need to hear this. * Linux hardware -- how to build Linux-ready hardware the easiest way possible Interesting. * The future of software and hardware development Because she has a crystal ball? * How to build a better, faster system inexpensively -- finding the right resources Interesting. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
2008/12/4 Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another question, does anyone have experience with ordering a laptop from a major manufacturer (Dell, Lenovo) over the Internet - from Ireland or any other place - without an OS? Is it easier than buying a laptop in Israel and going through a small claims court to get a refund? It is cheaper or more expensive? Do laptops come with a world-wide license, so that even if I buy one from, say, Dell Ireland, Dell Israel will provide me with full hardware support? Oh, well, Dell Israel are likely to say something like, Since you are not running Windows your warranty is void, and then one would have to go through a small claims court again, attaching the email exchange and the refund confirmation to the suit... With my Dell Inspiron, it was cheaper to order it with Windows than with FreeDOS, and Ubuntu was not offered at the time. I ordered the laptop from the 'states and had a partner that was traveling bring it to me. That was the most hassle-free and least-expensive option. Of course, it depends upon someone traveling across the pond in your favor. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!
2008/12/3 Rafi Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zvi, - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop. So may I ask: How long this process you ran took ? (from going to court till getting that payment) ? what do you advice me to do ? Or let's put it this way: it seems that your important struggle took a lot of time and headache. You won your case. However, from what appears in that news item, I doubt whether it is a precedent. They say there that it was a pshara, and it says there that they are not binded by this case and it is לפנים משורת הדין, So what do you advice me to do ? to buy and then to go to court ? It seems to me that all the hassle of such a procedure , and traveling from the north the vendor offices (usually in the center) and back in case I will win it, is simply is not acceptable for me. And if I am not wrong, I heard that there are man known vendors who seel laptops with free linux abroad. And this is true for quite a time. Regards, Rafi Rafi, contact Dell in Israel and tell them that you want a computer with either Ubuntu/FreeDOS (they call these Open Source Laptops in Dell-speak) or no OS at all. If we do not start telling the distributors that we want this, then how can we expect them to provide it? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Why open source
2008/11/28 Tal Abir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Lets say you wrote a utility that may be useful to others. Why would you open source it? How can you earn money from opening the code and giving it for free? Source forge is making money from hosting your utility, Wikipedia is making money from documenting it, what is left for the developer? Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. Is there someone who can give a lecture on the subject? Are there more people interested in the subject? Ask Alfred. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Cable modems lying around?
Does anyone have a cable modem lying around that they do not need? I have a friend in Haifa who needs a cable modem in order to connect to HOT. By the way, will any cable modem wok with HOT or do they need a special modem? Thanks in advance. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
2008/9/19 Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sorry for the confusion. I meant to say to show them the stuff that they _can_ do using point-and-click.. Now that it is evident that something should be done - it is the time to call the volunteers to step forward. Please do! I can step up for a November lecture, after Moed B and Miluim. But I myself am curious, what can users do with point and click in Linux that they cannot do with point and click in Windows? Serious question. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
2008/9/17 Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Showing people the stuff that they cannot do using point-and-click (which today is quite a lot). Don't do that until they ask. People who grew up on Windows don't care how much time the cli will save them. Just showing it to them will make them think that they _have_ to use it. That is enough to drive them away. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] GIMP workshop(s): Any interest?
2008/9/12 Dave Roi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the more important issue here is the fact that we, as a more technically inclined user group, are having such a hard time using it, how do we expect the simple windows user to do so? Maybe we should summarize all the problems we are having with it and open them as usability bugs. Just a thought, no intension of opening a flame war :-) I agree that usability reports should be filed when applicable. However, as a user with no background in image processing, I find Photoshop to be just as difficult to use in the rare instances when I need to do something. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Let's face it! (was W2L discussion)
2008/9/5 Eli Billauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Completely agreed. I would take it even further: No events should ever be announced there. This is the problem: people would _expect_ events to be posted there. Suppose a hypothetical Udi finds haifux on facebook. He signs up. Now, he expects all his info to come down that channel. What?!?, thinks Udi, I now have to go to another _website_ for info on this facebook group?!? wtf?!? and now he thinks bad of haifux. Multiply this by all the linkedins and mysplats and it will be a disaster. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L discussion
2008/9/2 Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear all, Next week, on Monday, Ohad is going to give a talk about this weird programming language, Ruby. He'll probably also try to convince you all to even go on rails. In any case, it would be a good opportunity to discuss W2L events. As there were very little discussion going on the mailing list (I can argue things with Dotan all day long, and a bit with Adir), I would like to suggest to hold a discussion before Ohad's talk. If somebody will bring a computer with skype, speakers, and a microphone, I will join the fun and the discussion (I've done this before in the past several times, in different meetings), and I could offer my 2 cents (european cents, btw) and of course the SCSI-cable that Marc was kind enough to lend me. If this is of any interest, please raise your hands (i.e., reply to all), and if someone is willing to bring a laptop with the necessary equipment, please contact me privately and we'll discuss the technical issues. Cheers, Orr. While I'd love to argue and I could provide the laptop with speakers and mic, I won't be at that meeting. I have a Solids 2 exam on Tuesday. I have been meaning to start attending regularly, but that silly Real Life keeps getting in the way. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] New Welcome to Linux Series
2008/8/15 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You may wish to look at Sagiv's slides: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/lin-club_files/w2l-linux_for_student1.sxi They seem to be a good starting point, but are terribly outdated. In any case, one can always use virtualisation. If one needs virtualisation, then I would not recommend that he move to Linux. I recommend using the OS that runs the applications that you need. There also used to be a Linux installation party / Linux day at certain points, where people brought their computers and other people helped them install Linux. This has always seemed a failure, at least in my opinion. We reached this conclusion in Telux too, and decided to skip it. Carrying a computer to such a party and back is not such a good idea. Exactly, especially now that the average computer user cannot even plug the peripherials into the right places! Better that we go to the user's house / dorm and do the install there. The whole should I move to Linux question should be one-on-one. Note that not _everyone_ is in a position where they should move to Linux yet. Yes, that's a good idea, and has been mine too. It is what I usually do. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] [W2l] New Welcome to Linux Series
2008/8/16 Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK Haifuxers, here is a short discussion that has to be done before Rami's talk - do we want to have a W2L event in haifa this year? I would recommend a campain as opposed to an event. The campain would be on two fronts: 1) Getting people ready for Linux: Switching to FOSS cross-platform software even on Windows (OOo, Thunderbird and Firefox in particular) 2) Getting Linux ready for people: writing to software makers (Solidworks in particular) and asking about Linux or Wine 1.0 compatible versions. Any other discussions about what is going to be in it, are sort of giving gas in neutral if there are no people to carry out the talks/ads. So I will give points in favor: * It's good to have a short series of a few talks introducing Linux - raises awareness, and helps people to get into Linux. Do this one-on-one with your friends, not in a lecture. * This is a forum to let people know of the future possibilities. * A good place to recruit new club members. Some points against: * A lot of work (usually the PR). * Should be very careful in the W2L not to discourage people (no attacks on Microsoft, no internal jokes - people will get the wrong impression). * This year, the students are going to be still stressed with all the artifacts of the last strike, so attendance will be slightly lower than expected. Especially in Haifa: the Technion only this week finished classes from spring semester, and is now going into Moed A tests. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] New Welcome to Linux Series
2008/8/11 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all! (Sorry for the English message, but English is the standard on some of the mailing lists here). Well, now that August Penguin is behind us - it's time to organise the next event - the Welcome to Linux series. I set up a page for co-ordination on the www.hackers.org.il wiki: http://www.hackers.org.il/mediawiki/index.php/W2L-2008 Please look at it, and see how you can contribute. See the Todo at the bottom. I'll update the welcome.linux.org.il site soon. Which clubs are planning to host a W2L series this year? I'm going to organise it for Telux, but need more information for other clubs. There's a lot to do, but we have time. Please comment. Regards, Shlomi Fish I signed up for the list. What kind of contacts do you need? I can be your man on the ground in Haifa, but to be honest, I really don't know much beyond the Fedora and Kubuntu GUIs in KDE. That said, I have helped a few people switch from Windows to Linux and I am familiar with most of the issues regarding such a switch in general and specific to Israel. I can help with installations and configuration of KDE including Hebrew GUI, consulting for end-users considering switching to Linux, and data migration from Windows. Note that is migration, not dual-boot, which I discourage. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] New address to send requests to enter Technion.
I am taking over the responsibility for sending the fax with guests names to the Technion Security. So those who need to enter the Technion with a vehicle are advised to send to me an email to this address (and a cc to haifux strudel dotancohen nkuda com would be good as well). Please include your name, vehicle type/year, and license plate number. My Orange cellphone number is 054-788-1700 for those who need it. I study in the Mechanical Engineering faculty and live very close to the Nesher gate if it helps anyone. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Fwd: Suggested lecture: Crash and burn: writing Linux application fault handlers
2008/7/19 Leon Romanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello All, As you all know, in the past we had arrangement with Technion's security office about vehicle entry. And it worked well, till I went busy. So, I'm looking for a replacement. It is very simple task, all you need is to send bi-weekly fax to kabat instead of me. Please, don't let to the agreement die. I can do that. What's the fax number, and where's the list? Can I bring it to them in person? (I study at the Technion) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Ideas for meetings
I'd like to see a meeting about building packages with tools like cmake. I know that the basic steps include wget something tar something cd somewhere cmake // i have no idea what this does make // what does this do? sudo make install // what really goes on here? It would be nice to analize the file system before and after each step, like this: wget something // Downloaded file. There is now a new file on the filesystem in the current directory tar something // Uncompresses archive. There is now a new directory, as a child of the current directory. It is full of files. cd somewhere // Move to new directory cmake // What is written in this step? Where? If I have to do it again, what must be erased first? make // What does this do? What does it write? sudo make install // Same questions as above. I could bring a laptop with a fresh Kubuntu install in a 10 GB partition for testing. The laptop has VGA out and wifi. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea for lecture: connecting to HOT / 012 without a router
2008/6/18 Sorana Fraier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 192.168.100.1 Suprisingly, it's for all modems Except for mine. Maybe HOT disabled it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Idea for lecture: connecting to HOT / 012 without a router
I have several people interested in having Kubuntu installed on their computers, however, I will not do it unless I know how to connect them to the Internet first! I can bring my own cable modem, though I doubt that there is HOT service in Taub. Or, I can invite the group to hold a meeting at our home in Nesher, 5-10 minute walk (two minute drive) from the Technion. Just let me know what beers everyone likes beforehand. Seriously, connecting to the Internet without a router in Israel is a known hassle in Linux and the issue needs to be addressed. Our friends at Nezeq and the other ISPs are not making it easy for us, as they require use of Windows-only dialers and restrict access to the modem's built-in http control panels. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea for lecture: connecting to HOT / 012 without a router
2008/6/17 Hai Zaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Last time I've checked pptp worked fine for bezeqint and zahav. But with Hot you've got even better solution - direct connection (le-lo haigan) - you just get your IP/DNS/gateway from cable modem and you are online! Works like charm. What is the modem's IP address? I have a Teredyne (sp? it's under the table and inaccessible right now) modem and I have googled but not found the IP address. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea for lecture: connecting to HOT / 012 without a router
2008/6/17 Tzafrir Rehan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Voting for the pptp packages to be on the ubuntu CD should also help this cause: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/6961/ props dave Thank you, I will vote. Why is this in an idea-storm and not a regular bug report? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
