Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
There are complete Linux distributions that can boot from CD, like Knoppix / SuSe live-eval. I suggest booting from CD, having NTFS resize then doing the real installation on the hard disk. But I'm not sure that Knoppix / SuSe has NTFS resize option on the CD. Eli Billauer wrote: Hello all. I have a nasty problem with my newly bought Presario 2121EA Laptop. Well, the problem is really with XP. But on a laptop, a reinstall of XP doesn't sound like much fun. The thingy came with a 18GB hard disk, in one partition of NTFS. I want to resize it to 5 GB (this is the Linux context, right?). I can't, because there is data stored above the cutting point, even though there is plenty of free space. The MS defrag doesn't do this, because there is a nice, unfragmented chunk in the middle of the hard disk. It just says, your disk doens't need defragmentation, which I translate to your computer doesn't need Linux. No piece of the chunk is unmovable. I've already killed virtual memory, hibernation and System backup. It's all plain files out there. I think. I've seen several programs that offer defrag, but all that I've seen are merely a front end to the built-in command-line defrag, which gives me exactly the same annoying answer. (Haven't checked Norton nor Partition Magic yet) I've tried to move files (copy, rename, delete old), but it seems like the chunk I have is the Windows directory itself. I think it's because the laptop installed itself from the hard disk I'm quite surprised that I haven't crashed the system with all this playing. Does anyone have an idea? Except for my own problem-solving, this is expected an issue on insta-parties. People will come with defragged hard partitions that you can't resize. You can tell me to reinstall XP (which I will soon), but that's because the computer is fresh. So, fellows, who knows what to do? Thanks in advance, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone, or by e-mail and delete the message from your computer. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Maor Meir wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Slava Shklyar wrote: Try Partition Magic ... Also, if you are going to install Linux, some distributions have own partition tools with NTFS support ... To the best of my knowledge there is only one free software ntfs resize tool, and their are various frontends for it, Mandrake now has a frontend, and QTparted knows how to use it and probably several more. ntfsresize currently does not support resizing fragmented partitions. Actually, qtparted seems to use ntfsresize (or the same code) for resizing NTFS partitions. I recently had exactly the same problem (fragmanted partition) with ntfsresize . ntfsresize gave me an error , and suggested to use XP's defrag. defrag turned out to be quite lousy: only after clearing out some more free disk space (~5GB instead of ~2.5GB) I could get it to defrag all the files. I still had one fragmanted directory, and a fragmanted MFT which seemed impossible to get reed of. Like Eli, I configured the syste,m not to use virtual memory. And still I got that error. The software is ntfs tools 0.51 (?) of knoppix 3.2 (22-9). qtparted seemed to have some problems with that partition. (and of course: resizing the filesystem is only the first stage. One has to be careful later when resizing the partition itself). -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
Hello all. I have a nasty problem with my newly bought Presario 2121EA Laptop. Well, the problem is really with XP. But on a laptop, a reinstall of XP doesn't sound like much fun. The thingy came with a 18GB hard disk, in one partition of NTFS. I want to resize it to 5 GB (this is the Linux context, right?). I can't, because there is data stored above the cutting point, even though there is plenty of free space. The MS defrag doesn't do this, because there is a nice, unfragmented chunk in the middle of the hard disk. It just says, your disk doens't need defragmentation, which I translate to your computer doesn't need Linux. No piece of the chunk is unmovable. I've already killed virtual memory, hibernation and System backup. It's all plain files out there. I think. I've seen several programs that offer defrag, but all that I've seen are merely a front end to the built-in command-line defrag, which gives me exactly the same annoying answer. (Haven't checked Norton nor Partition Magic yet) I've tried to move files (copy, rename, delete old), but it seems like the chunk I have is the Windows directory itself. I think it's because the laptop installed itself from the hard disk I'm quite surprised that I haven't crashed the system with all this playing. Does anyone have an idea? Except for my own problem-solving, this is expected an issue on insta-parties. People will come with defragged hard partitions that you can't resize. You can tell me to reinstall XP (which I will soon), but that's because the computer is fresh. So, fellows, who knows what to do? Thanks in advance, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
Give PartitionMagic a try, if you can. I don't know how it works with XP, but at least with Windows 2000 It does make wonders ;-). Although not being free, I think it's an excellent piece of software. Emil On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Eli Billauer wrote: Hello all. I have a nasty problem with my newly bought Presario 2121EA Laptop. Well, the problem is really with XP. But on a laptop, a reinstall of XP doesn't sound like much fun. The thingy came with a 18GB hard disk, in one partition of NTFS. I want to resize it to 5 GB (this is the Linux context, right?). I can't, because there is data stored above the cutting point, even though there is plenty of free space. The MS defrag doesn't do this, because there is a nice, unfragmented chunk in the middle of the hard disk. It just says, your disk doens't need defragmentation, which I translate to your computer doesn't need Linux. No piece of the chunk is unmovable. I've already killed virtual memory, hibernation and System backup. It's all plain files out there. I think. I've seen several programs that offer defrag, but all that I've seen are merely a front end to the built-in command-line defrag, which gives me exactly the same annoying answer. (Haven't checked Norton nor Partition Magic yet) I've tried to move files (copy, rename, delete old), but it seems like the chunk I have is the Windows directory itself. I think it's because the laptop installed itself from the hard disk I'm quite surprised that I haven't crashed the system with all this playing. Does anyone have an idea? Except for my own problem-solving, this is expected an issue on insta-parties. People will come with defragged hard partitions that you can't resize. You can tell me to reinstall XP (which I will soon), but that's because the computer is fresh. So, fellows, who knows what to do? Thanks in advance, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
Try Partition Magic ... Also, if you are going to install Linux, some distributions have own partition tools with NTFS support ... Eli Billauer wrote: Hello all. I have a nasty problem with my newly bought Presario 2121EA Laptop. Well, the problem is really with XP. But on a laptop, a reinstall of XP doesn't sound like much fun. The thingy came with a 18GB hard disk, in one partition of NTFS. I want to resize it to 5 GB (this is the Linux context, right?). I can't, because there is data stored above the cutting point, even though there is plenty of free space. The MS defrag doesn't do this, because there is a nice, unfragmented chunk in the middle of the hard disk. It just says, your disk doens't need defragmentation, which I translate to your computer doesn't need Linux. No piece of the chunk is unmovable. I've already killed virtual memory, hibernation and System backup. It's all plain files out there. I think. I've seen several programs that offer defrag, but all that I've seen are merely a front end to the built-in command-line defrag, which gives me exactly the same annoying answer. (Haven't checked Norton nor Partition Magic yet) I've tried to move files (copy, rename, delete old), but it seems like the chunk I have is the Windows directory itself. I think it's because the laptop installed itself from the hard disk I'm quite surprised that I haven't crashed the system with all this playing. Does anyone have an idea? Except for my own problem-solving, this is expected an issue on insta-parties. People will come with defragged hard partitions that you can't resize. You can tell me to reinstall XP (which I will soon), but that's because the computer is fresh. So, fellows, who knows what to do? Thanks in advance, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Slava Shklyar wrote: Try Partition Magic ... Also, if you are going to install Linux, some distributions have own partition tools with NTFS support ... To the best of my knowledge there is only one free software ntfs resize tool, and their are various frontends for it, Mandrake now has a frontend, and QTparted knows how to use it and probably several more. ntfsresize currently does not support resizing fragmented partitions. Meir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
Hello again. To begin with, I've ran defrag a zillion of times. There is this stubborn chunk that doesn't go away. And keep in mind that I don't need a resizing tool. I need a reallocation of files (which is commonly done with defrag). Now Partition Magic: There has indeed been rumors about PM 8.0 being capable of doing what I want, but since it costs something like $50 and there is no trial version of it, I don't jump on it. I think I would get too annoyed to buy it, just to find out that it runs the same old Windows defrag, or doesn't support defrag at all. Same goes with Norton. So -- can anyone tell me for sure that some tool really does what I want? Thanks, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Eli Billauer wrote: Google to the rescue! punching in: 'ntfs defrag' into google gave intresting results, mainly: http://www.storageadmin.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=13714 which lists a few defrag tools, some of which have a trial version downloadeable free. I did not myslef ever use, any of these tools, but since a freh system is not in risk of data loss, go ahead and try one of them. Meir. Hello again. To begin with, I've ran defrag a zillion of times. There is this stubborn chunk that doesn't go away. And keep in mind that I don't need a resizing tool. I need a reallocation of files (which is commonly done with defrag). Now Partition Magic: There has indeed been rumors about PM 8.0 being capable of doing what I want, but since it costs something like $50 and there is no trial version of it, I don't jump on it. I think I would get too annoyed to buy it, just to find out that it runs the same old Windows defrag, or doesn't support defrag at all. Same goes with Norton. So -- can anyone tell me for sure that some tool really does what I want? Thanks, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Resizing NTFS problem
Hello All. The good news are that a good defragmentation application exists: It's OO Defrag, available for a 30-day complete trial at http://www.oo-software.com/en/index.html. 30 days should be enough to repartition, I think. This tools offers several defragmentation algorithms, and it can also defragment in boot-time, thus solving the problem of page files and other similar problems. And the best thing: It tells you which files occupies the cluster. In short, it's a goodie. The back side is that it hasn't got any prepare-for-resize option. Anyhow, for me it didn't work. Some clusters, marked as system couldn't be moved. At this point I realized that I've played too much with a new system. It may be damaged already. So I went for a fresh start. Install gurus, wherever you are, you won't have this option! How about copying your stubborn chunk W to V, login through a rescue disk (windows one, I guess) rename W Wold rename V W login again, rm Wold, run defrag, see if anything has improved, repeat until satisfied? Algorithm experts, do you detect an infinite loop? ;) But then, you were willing to re-install, so we might give it a shot. Ah, I was just in the middle with fdisk when I got this. Starting all over again. The problems I run into from here are nevertheless exotic, but totally off-topic. Thanks to all who tried, Eli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
