Re: [Hampshire] Software bugs & impending liability

2009-08-07 Thread John Cooper
Stephen Davies wrote: > I'm wondering how other LUG Members would tackle the release of software > with known bugs and would it stop you from developing software in the > future if you had the spectre of being sued for bugss in your software. > Remember that the Microsoft EULA makes them NOT Lia

Re: [Hampshire] Software bugs & impending liability

2009-08-07 Thread Simon Reap
Stephen Davies wrote: > As someone who has been writing software professionally since 1975 the > issue of releasing software with known problems (or items Fixed in Next > Release) has always concerned me. > At DEC, we used to document the 'known issues & limitations' in the > release notes. I do

Re: [Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Pope
2009/8/7 Tim : > I think the morale of this story is, take better care of your passwords and > ensure adequate documentation!! > Nahh, so long as you have physical access to the machine, all bets are off, and you can get in. Unless of course you encrypt your filesystems and forget the key.. then

Re: [Hampshire] Software bugs & impending liability

2009-08-07 Thread gully gaoler
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Stephen Davies wrote: > At DEC, we used to document the 'known issues & limitations' in the > release notes. I don't see much of that in the FOSS world or even with > many of the hugely expensive commercial software packages I use of a > daily basis. there was a hu

Re: [Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Tim
On Friday 07 August 2009 09:14:38 Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/8/7 Tim : > > Can anybody point me in the direction of a set of instructions for > > password recovery that work, I have googled but there are many but I > > don't want to end up damaging the install trying to reset the password so > > I am

Re: [Hampshire] Is anybody here using puppet?

2009-08-07 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:01:57 +0100, si...@pseudo-anonymous.com said: > Does anybody use puppet? Have any tips/recipes they'd care to share? We use it at work to manage just over 100 servers and it works well. Tips? Yes: start small. Start with something really, really simple, then slowly build fr

Re: [Hampshire] Buying a Eee 901?

2009-08-07 Thread Russell Gadd
Andy Random wrote: > Hi, > > I've procrastinated about buying a 901 all year... > > Finally this week after getting my annual bonus (not as good as last year, > but in the current climate I'm not complaining) I decided I definitely > wanted one and now it seems I've left it too late :( > > Mos

[Hampshire] Software bugs & impending liability

2009-08-07 Thread Stephen Davies
There is an interesting article on infoworld http://infoworld.com/t/software-licensing/watch-out-developers-here-come-lawyers-436 about proposals to make developers liable for damages if they are caught shipping software with bugs and not telling the user about them. Oddly, Microsoft & 'The Linux

Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux

2009-08-07 Thread pavithran
2009/8/7 Andy Smith : > The free software movement has a very vocal minority of people like > yourself who are happy to say things like the first paragraph and > then argue endlessly about it like the second one. So you still say that I belong to the free software movement . No I don't I am just

[Hampshire] [ADMIN] August Meeting reminder: Saturday 08 August.

2009-08-07 Thread Hants LUG Chairman
Hi, A last minute reminder: Our August meeting will take place as a joint meeting with the Surrey LUG at the Nokia facility in Farnborough tomorrow, Saturday 8 August from 11am. For H&S reasons can you please email Bob first to let him know you are coming along to the meeting. When you arrive

Re: [Hampshire] Is anybody here using puppet?

2009-08-07 Thread Michael-John Turner
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:17:28PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > I believe there was a hantslug presentation about puppet a while > back, sadly I was unable to attend and don't remember who gave it. > Perhaps it's on the wiki? Speaking of presentations, R.I.Pienaar (who is UK-based) recently gave a t

Re: [Hampshire] Is anybody here using puppet?

2009-08-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Simon, On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:01:57AM +0100, Simon Strange wrote: > I've recently inherited ownership of a small network, and I'm > interested in using puppet to control it. > > In the past I've used CFEngine with success, so perhaps I should stick > to what I know. But it does seem that

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hi David, On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:40:23AM +0100, David Ramsden wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > [snip] > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:57:52PM +0100, David Ramsden wrote: > >> I have the need to upgrade 3 remote servers from Debian to Ubuntu. I'd > >> like to avoid a complete re-install because: >

Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux

2009-08-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hello Pavithran, On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0100, pavithran wrote: > 2009/8/7 Andy Smith : > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:24:07PM +0100, pavithran wrote: > >> And as Linux users we ( if we have enough free software spirit > >> ) need not give it its due by calling it respectfully with its

Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux

2009-08-07 Thread pavithran
2009/8/7 Andy Smith : > Hi Pavithran, > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:24:07PM +0100, pavithran wrote: >> Professional or not I believe this is *linux* users group . And M$ ( >> not Microsoft) has an awesome reputation of patent allegations against >> the Free software movement . And as Linux users w

Re: [Hampshire] Buying a Eee 901?

2009-08-07 Thread pavithran
2009/8/6 Andy Random : >I decided I definitely > wanted one and now it seems I've left it too late :( Unfortunately "Yes " :( But still you can get a second hand EEE 901 with 12 GB SSD pre loaded with windows XP on amazon . The happiest thing is no one is selling their Linux based EEE 901 of 20

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinst all?

2009-08-07 Thread Tony Whitmore
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:40:09 +0100, john lewis wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:34:05 +0100 > David Ramsden wrote: >> Unfortunately the package is provided by a 3rd party vendor, via >> their own repository. >> >> The latest major release of the package is Ubuntu only. I could >> probably downloa

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread Hugo Mills
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:40:09AM +0100, John Lewis wrote: > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:34:05 +0100 > David Ramsden wrote: > > Unfortunately the package is provided by a 3rd party vendor, via > > their own repository. > > > > The latest major release of the package is Ubuntu only. I could > > probab

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Pope
2009/8/7 john lewis : > This make me fume!  Ubuntu is "supposed" to be a derivative of Debian > and packages developed by Ubuntu developers were "supposed" to be > compatible with the parent distro or at least passed back to Debian to > be made compatible (/me simplifies a bit) > Says who? https:

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:34:05 +0100 David Ramsden wrote: > john lewis wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:26:49 +0100 > > David Ramsden wrote: > > > >> Alan Pope wrote: > >>> 2009/8/6 David Ramsden : > I have the need to upgrade 3 remote servers from Debian to > Ubuntu. I'd like to avoid

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread Anton Piatek
2009/8/7 David Ramsden : > Andy Smith wrote: > [snip] >> On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:57:52PM +0100, David Ramsden wrote: >>> I have the need to upgrade 3 remote servers from Debian to Ubuntu. I'd >>> like to avoid a complete re-install because: >>>    a) The servers are all remote and in three separ

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread David Ramsden
Andy Smith wrote: [snip] > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 04:57:52PM +0100, David Ramsden wrote: >> I have the need to upgrade 3 remote servers from Debian to Ubuntu. I'd >> like to avoid a complete re-install because: >>a) The servers are all remote and in three separate geographical >> locations.

Re: [Hampshire] [OT] DVD to PC

2009-08-07 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
2009/8/6 Hugo Mills : > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Rob Malpass wrote: >> What I want (and maybe I'm being too exacting here) is a program for >> Linux or indeed Windows that will just take a video DVD and dump out >> an avi / mpg / whatever file preferably at enough res that I can >>

Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?

2009-08-07 Thread David Ramsden
john lewis wrote: > On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:26:49 +0100 > David Ramsden wrote: > >> Alan Pope wrote: >>> 2009/8/6 David Ramsden : I have the need to upgrade 3 remote servers from Debian to Ubuntu. I'd like to avoid a complete re-install because: >>> Blimey, you're brave posting "Upgrade

Re: [Hampshire] Friday comic...

2009-08-07 Thread Hugo Mills
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:47:23AM +0100, Victor Churchill wrote: > 2009/8/7 Alan Blanchflower : > > Or even three. > > > > http://xkcd.com/214/ > > ... which serves to illustrate that there are at most six degrees of > separation between any two conceptual entities in a semantic database. > (I ju

Re: [Hampshire] Friday comic...

2009-08-07 Thread Victor Churchill
2009/8/7 Alan Blanchflower : > Or even three. > > http://xkcd.com/214/ ... which serves to illustrate that there are at most six degrees of separation between any two conceptual entities in a semantic database. (I just made that up, but it is an interesting thought... then again the I'm Sorry I Ha

Re: [Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/8/7 Alan Pope : > 2009/8/7 Tim : >> Can anybody point me in the direction of a set of instructions for password >> recovery that work, I have googled but there are many but I don't want to end >> up damaging the install trying to reset the password so I am looking for >> instruction that other

Re: [Hampshire] Friday comic...

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Blanchflower
On Friday 07 Aug 2009 09:13:11 Simon Reap wrote: > Victor Churchill wrote: > > 2009/8/7 Stephen Rowles : > >> Given the recent discussion of media centres on Linux I was amused to > >> read xkcd this morning and see this comic from Wednesday: > >> > >> http://www.xkcd.com/619/ > > > > aieee! it is

Re: [Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Alan Pope
2009/8/7 Tim : > Can anybody point me in the direction of a set of instructions for password > recovery that work, I have googled but there are many but I don't want to end > up damaging the install trying to reset the password so I am looking for > instruction that other have used without a proble

Re: [Hampshire] Friday comic...

2009-08-07 Thread Simon Reap
Victor Churchill wrote: > 2009/8/7 Stephen Rowles : > >> Given the recent discussion of media centres on Linux I was amused to >> read xkcd this morning and see this comic from Wednesday: >> >> http://www.xkcd.com/619/ >> > > > aieee! it is impossible to read just one page of xkcd! > > ;-)

Re: [Hampshire] Friday comic...

2009-08-07 Thread Victor Churchill
2009/8/7 Stephen Rowles : > Given the recent discussion of media centres on Linux I was amused to > read xkcd this morning and see this comic from Wednesday: > > http://www.xkcd.com/619/ aieee! it is impossible to read just one page of xkcd! ;-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk

[Hampshire] Is anybody here using puppet?

2009-08-07 Thread Simon Strange
I've recently inherited ownership of a small network, and I'm interested in using puppet to control it. In the past I've used CFEngine with success, so perhaps I should stick to what I know. But it does seem that puppet offers a few nice things, and is the new-cool. The only obvious problem is t

Re: [Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Stephen Rowles
On 08/07/2009 08:39 AM, Tim wrote: > I set my son up a laptop with xubuntu on it and the password I choose for root > was not the normal one I use (because he knows that one). Now the problem is I > can't rememebr what it was either. I want to add a couple of program and > update > etc. and I can'

Re: [Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Jack Knight
Tim wrote: > I set my son up a laptop with xubuntu on it and the password I choose for > root > was not the normal one I use (because he knows that one). Now the problem is > I > can't rememebr what it was either. I want to add a couple of program and > update > etc. and I can't now, my son i

[Hampshire] Reset root password

2009-08-07 Thread Tim
I set my son up a laptop with xubuntu on it and the password I choose for root was not the normal one I use (because he knows that one). Now the problem is I can't rememebr what it was either. I want to add a couple of program and update etc. and I can't now, my son is not setup as a sudoer use

[Hampshire] Friday comic...

2009-08-07 Thread Stephen Rowles
Given the recent discussion of media centres on Linux I was amused to read xkcd this morning and see this comic from Wednesday: http://www.xkcd.com/619/ :) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.h