Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Edward Beckmann
Dear all I just wanted to thank Ally for publicly asking the oft-debated with some good points, then Vic for starting the replies going with an excellent and understanding response pitched at just the right level. Thank you to the rest of the responders so far - very informative and varying

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Gordon Scott
On 14/02/2013 02:22, Keith Edmunds wrote: We get people applying for jobs, and sending CVs in in Word format. That doesn't (yet) automatically rule them out, but it tells us a lot about them before we've even looked at the CV. Hm, I should defend those people. Most of the employment agencies

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Chris Malton
On 14/02/13 09:35, Gordon Scott wrote: On 14/02/2013 02:22, Keith Edmunds wrote: We get people applying for jobs, and sending CVs in in Word format. That doesn't (yet) automatically rule them out, but it tells us a lot about them before we've even looked at the CV. Hm, I should defend those

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Alan Pope
On 14/02/13 09:52, Chris Malton wrote: I know the feeling, my CV is part-compiled by LaTeX to PDF - and unfortunately this is incompatible with many people. I got told yesterday that I couldn't apply for a job because my CV wasn't in Word format. and I was applying for a job as a Linux

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Michael Daffin
I quite like storing my cv in markdown, it's plain text and easy to read even in the raw format, easy to version control unlike compressed formats like word and you can convert it to many different formats including html and pdf and possibly word (if not you can always copy and paste). On 14 Feb

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Vic
Other companies take PDFs and strip all formatting, as I discovered to my detriment Think yourself lucky. I had an agent strip an entire page from my CV once, and had the interviewer repeatedly complain that I'd done nothing for 3 years after University. I lost count of the number of

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Chris Liddell
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:53:06 - (GMT) Vic l...@beer.org.uk wrote: Other companies take PDFs and strip all formatting, as I discovered to my detriment Think yourself lucky. I had an agent strip an entire page from my CV once, and had the interviewer repeatedly complain that I'd

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Michael Pavling
On 14 February 2013 10:53, Vic l...@beer.org.uk wrote: Other companies take PDFs and strip all formatting, as I discovered to my detriment Think yourself lucky. I had an agent strip an entire page from my CV once, and had the interviewer repeatedly complain that I'd done nothing for 3

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Jack Knight
On 2013-02-14 12:18, Chris Liddell wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:53:06 - (GMT) Vic l...@beer.org.uk wrote: Other companies take PDFs and strip all formatting, as I discovered to my detriment Think yourself lucky. I had an agent strip an entire page from my CV once, and had the

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-13 17:31, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 13 February 2013 22:02:32 Alan Pope wrote: I recently (1.5 years ago) installed Ubuntu for a retired chap who had only ever used Windows. He requested it because he was sick of viruses and slow-downs of Windows. I printed out a getting started

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Benjie Gillam
The TV I bought way back in '08 runs Linux beneath the hood. I didn't know this until I noticed all the legal notices at the end of the instruction manual... I've not tried hacking into it yet, waiting until I can afford to replace it... On 14 Feb 2013, at 15:06, j...@osml.eu wrote: On

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-13 17:02, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Ally, On 13/02/13 16:31, Ally Biggs wrote: Do you guys ever think there will be a day that Linux will be as popular as Windows in the desktop market. Given Windows has ~90%+ market share, I fail to see how mathematically any other distro can be as

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Alan Pope
On 14/02/13 15:06, j...@osml.eu wrote: ...and it's getting even easier, ne' the Chromebook. (groan issues from the collective group) But it's true. It Linux Jim, but not as we know it. A large percentage of the MS Windows using public have waken up to the fact that they don't need a 8-core

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-13 15:23, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:31:53 + Ally Biggs bluechr...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Hello Ally, The problem with desktop Linux I think is when the shit hits the fan and something needs to be configured or a driver needs to be added your average user isn't

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-14 10:43, Alan Pope wrote: On 14/02/13 15:06, j...@osml.eu wrote: ...and it's getting even easier, ne' the Chromebook. (groan issues from the collective group) But it's true. It Linux Jim, but not as we know it. A large percentage of the MS Windows using public have waken up to

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread john lewis
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:33:58 -0500 j...@osml.eu wrote: I see a slightly different future for Linux. The desktop, for many, will disappear. The Chromebook is a V2.0 successor to the Network Computer. It's a computing device. Read you email: Open a browser tab for G-Mail. Edit a

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-13 11:31, Ally Biggs wrote: Do you guys ever think there will be a day that Linux will be as popular as Windows in the desktop market. Yes, but you may not recognise it. Personally I can't see this happening anytime soon. This isn't a personal attack on Linux just want to get some

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-14 12:26, john lewis wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:33:58 -0500 j...@osml.eu wrote: I see a slightly different future for Linux. The desktop, for many, will disappear. The Chromebook is a V2.0 successor to the Network Computer. It's a computing device. Read you email: Open a

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Ally Biggs
I would defiantly be interested in getting further Linux experience whether it would be through work experience or volunteering. For me that would be a awesome position to be in. At my current role in the past I have been called a Open source evangelist, for setting up a Ubuntu server which

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Tim Brocklehurst
One question... Do you work for Google? On Thursday 14 Feb 2013 15:33:58 j...@osml.eu wrote: I see a slightly different future for Linux. The desktop, for many, will disappear. The Chromebook is a V2.0 successor to the Network Computer. It's a computing device. Read you email: Open a

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 07:54:17PM +, Tim Brocklehurst wrote: However, there is good mileage in what we do at the moment, which is to use a COTS machine (laptop, desktop or whatever) and download the software we wish to use as a package, which you then install and run. This avoids

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread jlk
On 2013-02-14 15:49, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 07:54:17PM +, Tim Brocklehurst wrote: However, there is good mileage in what we do at the moment, which is to use a COTS machine (laptop, desktop or whatever) and download the software we wish to use as a package, which

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

2013-02-14 Thread Tim Brocklehurst
On Thursday 14 Feb 2013 20:49:04 Andy Smith wrote: I agree with you that there is a trade-off, but I just wanted to point out that compared to devices like a Chromebook, anything you can build is neither C nor OTS. By COTS I meant a machine which was not self-built. The shelves that devices

[Hampshire] The Future of Linux/Career Advice

2013-02-14 Thread Leszek Kobiernicki 1
Trouble with all this advocacy of new devices, is, that their manufacturers don't intend you to use them above 2 years - their rated lifecycle, at best. They expect you to buy something ever-newer, bi-ennially. Which keeps 'em in business. They realized that servers, towers laptops were