Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-17 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
2010/1/17 Stephen Pelc step...@mpeforth.com: I would have said that I don't have the skill set for this - I'm not, and don't want to be, a Linux kernel guru. However, I have talked to a number of people who produce proprietary Linux apps in niche markeys, and they all agree that packaging is

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-17 Thread Anton Piatek
2010/1/17 Stephen Pelc step...@mpeforth.com: This is an aggregated response. If the lack of attribution upsets you, I apologise. A majority of the software for the Linux platform is distributed in source code form. That's the open source business model. It's a service model. You pay for

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-16 Thread Bob Dunlop
On Fri, Jan 15 at 11:40, Jacqui Caren-home wrote: John Cooper wrote: * I know Gentoo isn't packaged, but it has its own install procedures like a package. I really like /etc/portage/package.use as I often find I need an oddity such as a threaded perl and unlike most other systems gentoo

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-16 Thread Stephen Pelc
This is an aggregated response. If the lack of attribution upsets you, I apologise. A majority of the software for the Linux platform is distributed in source code form. That's the open source business model. It's a service model. You pay for service, not for acquisition. That's fine for

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-15 Thread Stephen Pelc
Oops. Next time, you might want to stage the upgrade, test your packages still build and then do it on the live system. So you have to have two boxes every time you upgrade? This is a good thing (TM)? Do you have some error messages though? It might just be trivial. The BUILDROOT macro

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-15 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
2010/1/15 Stephen Pelc step...@mpeforth.com: Our users don't want to have to edit repository lists. They want download, install, run. We try to provide what real users want. Sysadmins are not real users. It is not an admin task. You just put the download url in a different place. In the

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-15 Thread Sean Gibbins
Stephen Pelc wrote: You can only improve something by acknowledging what's wrong with it. When dealing with free, open source software coded largely by volunteers you can take it a stage further - you can get involved and fix it. Sean -- And I've made disapointment My very best friend

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-15 Thread Jacqui Caren-home
Sean Gibbins wrote: Stephen Pelc wrote: You can only improve something by acknowledging what's wrong with it. When dealing with free, open source software coded largely by volunteers you can take it a stage further - you can get involved and fix it. Sorry but this is where it gets flame

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-15 Thread Sean Gibbins
Jacqui Caren-home wrote: Sean Gibbins wrote: Stephen Pelc wrote: You can only improve something by acknowledging what's wrong with it. When dealing with free, open source software coded largely by volunteers you can take it a stage further - you can get involved and fix

[Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-14 Thread Stephen Pelc
rant Linux is getting more like Windows. A development box was upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10, and now our rpm packaging scripts are broken. Packaging under Linux is a complete shambles. We haven't had packaging issues for Windows software for over ten years. The idea that you have to ship

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-14 Thread Simon Huggins
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:20:17PM -, Stephen Pelc wrote: rant Linux is getting more like Windows. More users? Surely a good thing. A development box was upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10, and now our rpm packaging scripts are broken. Oops. Next time, you might want to stage the

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-14 Thread John Cooper
On 14/01/10 12:20, Stephen Pelc wrote: rant Linux is getting more like Windows. A development box was upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10, and now our rpm packaging scripts are broken. All updates should be tested before deploying AND have backups available to restore the original

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-14 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
2010/1/14 Stephen Pelc step...@mpeforth.com: rant Linux is getting more like Windows. A development box was upgraded from Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10, and now our rpm packaging scripts are broken. Packaging under Linux is a complete shambles. We haven't had packaging issues for Windows software

Re: [Hampshire] Packaging help needed

2010-01-14 Thread dee
2010/1/14 Stephen Pelc step...@mpeforth.com: It is much the same with windows. Creating a package for windows 95, or Windows 7 is likely to be different. I'm sorry to say that it's not :) There are a few differences in distributable files between versions, but nothing to warrant separate