Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-06-07 Thread Full Circle Podcast
I liked author Charles Stross' take on the whole thing: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/05/implied-consent.html Implied consent: if you use this blog and attempt to post comments, or are an active moderator or guest blogger, you are presumed to have given consent to the use of

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-28 Thread john lewis
On Sun, 27 May 2012 08:31:57 +0100 Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote: Rather topically, this popped up as I browsed The Independent's Web site this morning: http://www.independent.co.uk/service/cookie-policy-7785164.html I like the bit in the What's The Law? section where it

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 26/05/12 08:55, Brad Rogers wrote: So, it's an ill-considered, poorly executed, impossible to police law. You'd think it was one of ours, not pan-European. Good point Brad, although the thing I have noticed with these 'ill-considered and poorly executed laws' is that they often turn out to

[Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Sean Gibbins
Rather topically, this popped up as I browsed The Independent's Web site this morning: http://www.independent.co.uk/service/cookie-policy-7785164.html I like the bit in the What's The Law? section where it says 'To find out more about the law, click here', and doesn't offer a link to click

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Tony Wood
On 27/05/12 07:52, Sean Gibbins wrote: On 26/05/12 08:55, Brad Rogers wrote: So, it's an ill-considered, poorly executed, impossible to police law. You'd think it was one of ours, not pan-European. Good point Brad, although the thing I have noticed with these 'ill-considered and poorly

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Chris Dennis
On 25/05/12 11:22, Tony Whitmore wrote: I've seen the news articles about the new laws concerning cookies[1]. From what I can tell from the ICO website[1] there is no exemption from this law for personal or non-profit making websites. A brief check of my personal website shows 7 cookies are

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 27 May 2012 09:42:36 +0100 Tony Wood tonywoo...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hello Tony, Surely not ! Oh yes indeed. Oh, and don't call me Shirley. :-) -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent I'll be the paint on the

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 27 May 2012 07:52:24 +0100 Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote: Hello Sean, 'ill-considered and poorly executed laws' is that they often turn out to be extremely broad-ranging in their scope as a result, and quite handy for shutting down dissent or forming an excuse to spy on

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:50 +0100 Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hello Stephen, I just installed an addon for Firefox that allows me to view the cookies for a site. Why do you need an add-on for that? FF, in common with all the browsers I've ever used, allow you

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 27 May 2012 09:27:29 Brad Rogers wrote:  FF, in common with all the browsers I've ever used, allow you to view the cookies via their settings pages. How? Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread john lewis
On Sun, 27 May 2012 11:38:49 +0100 hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2012 09:27:29 Brad Rogers wrote:  FF, in common with all the browsers I've ever used, allow you to view the cookies via their settings pages. How? In opera it is Tools Preferences Advanced Cookies

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Tony Whitmore
On 26/05/12 09:49, john lewis wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:22:40 +0100 Tony Whitmore t...@tonywhitmore.co.uk wrote: A brief check of my personal website shows 7 cookies are being set as a result of using Wordpress and Google Analytics. Accordingly it seems I should be advising users of

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread john lewis
On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:02:44 +0100 Tony Whitmore t...@tonywhitmore.co.uk wrote: On 26/05/12 09:49, john lewis wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:22:40 +0100 Tony Whitmore t...@tonywhitmore.co.uk wrote: A brief check of my personal website shows 7 cookies are being set as a result of using

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Jacqui Caren
On 27/05/2012 12:01, john lewis wrote: On Sun, 27 May 2012 11:38:49 +0100 hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2012 09:27:29 Brad Rogers wrote: FF, in common with all the browsers I've ever used, allow you to view the cookies via their settings pages. How? In opera it is

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread hantslug
On Sunday 27 May 2012 12:01:54 john lewis wrote: In opera it is Tools Preferences  Advanced Cookies Manage Cookies I imagine FF does something similar. I can't find it anywhere. :-( Perhaps I am being blind, but I still can't find it. Hence my asking how. Lisi -- Please post to:

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Dominic Cleal
On 27/05/12 12:28, hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2012 12:20:59 Jacqui Caren wrote: Yuo Tools- Page info then security to view cookeis. or select the Permissions tab to modify the cookie acceptance permissions for the site. It was page info I was failing to find - I was

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Tony Whitmore
On 27/05/12 09:58, Chris Dennis wrote: On 25/05/12 11:22, Tony Whitmore wrote: I've seen the news articles about the new laws concerning cookies[1]. From what I can tell from the ICO website[1] there is no exemption from this law for personal or non-profit making websites. A brief check of

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-27 Thread Tony Whitmore
On 27/05/12 08:37, Tim B - Mobile wrote: And the chance of the ICO going after Microsoft is what exactly? More likely they'll go after Facebook because it enables free speech. Oh sorry, doesn't declare it's cookies. Looks like we'll all have to add a disclaimer... Caution. This site

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
On 25 May 2012 11:22, Tony Whitmore t...@tonywhitmore.co.uk wrote: I've seen the news articles about the new laws concerning cookies[1]. From what I can tell from the ICO website[1] there is no exemption from this law for personal or non-profit making websites. A brief check of my personal

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:22:40 +0100 Tony Whitmore t...@tonywhitmore.co.uk wrote: A brief check of my personal website shows 7 cookies are being set as a result of using Wordpress and Google Analytics. Accordingly it seems I should be advising users of these cookies, giving them a chance to

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread Stephen Davies
As I understand it, the law only applies to Tracking Cookies. Session Cookies are outside the legislation. Again, AFAIK, if you don't have links to the vast number of tracking sites on your website then you don't have anything to worry about. There are sites that go bonkers with these

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread Vic
As I understand it, the law only applies to Tracking Cookies. Session Cookies are outside the legislation. No. this is not true. All cookies are covered by the legislation. Regulation 6 requires that the user is given clear and comprehensive information about all cookies used, and that

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 May 2012 23:13:31 +0100 Tim Brocklehurst t...@engineering.selfip.org wrote: Hello Tim, A little more digging reveals this from the guidance notes... {snipped} So, it's an ill-considered, poorly executed, impossible to police law. You'd think it was one of ours, not pan-European. --

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread Stephen Davies
I just installed an addon for Firefox that allows me to view the cookies for a site. I checked against a pure Wordpress (no links to other sites) site anf I can see 5 cookies. Three are wordpress session cookies (I did login) Two are timer cookies that will expire after 24 hours, i.e. when

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 May 2012 22:56:45 +0100 hants...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello hants...@googlemail.com, I don't order from Which?. I just read the site. And now it is Like I said; just one example. Tracking your use of the site is another. If only to target advertising at you, based on your site

[Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Tony Whitmore
I've seen the news articles about the new laws concerning cookies[1]. From what I can tell from the ICO website[1] there is no exemption from this law for personal or non-profit making websites. A brief check of my personal website shows 7 cookies are being set as a result of using Wordpress

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Tim Brocklehurst
Apparently it's a slow news day at the Beeb. There are plenty of cookie controls in the browser itself, and everyone accepts the use of cookies. So no, I haven't changed my sites. I expect users to exercise their intellect and turn off cookie support if they don't like it. Tim B. -- Please

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Tony Whitmore
On 25/05/12 19:07, Tim Brocklehurst wrote: Apparently it's a slow news day at the Beeb. There are plenty of cookie controls in the browser itself, and everyone accepts the use of cookies. So no, I haven't changed my sites. I expect users to exercise their intellect and turn off cookie support if

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:07:10 +0100 Tim Brocklehurst t...@engineering.selfip.org wrote: Hello Tim, Apparently it's a slow news day at the Beeb. There are plenty of It might be a slow news day, but that doesn't alter the fact that the law changes regarding the setting of cookies. Users will

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread hantslug
On Friday 25 May 2012 21:47:51 Tony Whitmore wrote: You need to explicitly tell users what cookies you set, what they are used for and allow them to opt out of having them set. I've seen a number of companies and organisations changing their website to reflect these requirements too. The

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Martin N
Lo, At 11:22 25/05/2012, you wrote: I've seen the news articles about the new laws concerning cookies[1]. From what I can tell from the ICO website[1] there is no exemption from this law for personal or non-profit making websites. A brief check of my personal website shows 7 cookies are

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 May 2012 22:08:19 +0100 hants...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello hants...@googlemail.com, The site does in fact work fine without cookies because I have yet to Many sites will. It can be a painful experience though. Having to enter your name and address *every* time you order

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread hantslug
On Friday 25 May 2012 22:26:16 Brad Rogers wrote: Many sites will.  It can be a painful experience though.  Having to enter your name and address *every* time you order something from a supplier is just one example. I don't order from Which?. I just read the site. And now it is impossible to

Re: [Hampshire] The Cookie Law

2012-05-25 Thread Tim Brocklehurst
A little more digging reveals this from the guidance notes... In a domestic context there will usually be a subscriber (the person in the household paying the bill) and potentially several other users. If a user complained that a website they visited was setting cookies without their consent the