Kissing cousins? I assume this is an allusion to Hardy's Jude The
Obscure.
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Gregory Woodhouse
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
--Niels Bohr
On Sep 20, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Cameron Schlehuber wrote:
I don't recall if this has been posted here ...
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 08:50 +0530, Suchi Pande wrote:
ELSIE CASUGAY wrote:
This whole thing VISTA-OFFICE is entirely unfair not only to the physicians
but also to vendors. I feel like it is being controlled by some group. This
VA software is FOIA and supposed to be open source but I have
Kevin --
E-mail works, please.
Wine is supposed to handle DOS file names. If you have a fix to wine,
you can communicate it back to Code Weavers, but lets discuss changes
first.
Regards
-- Bhaskar
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 18:07 -0400, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
Bhaskar,
If someone were to take
On 9/21/05, Todd Berman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the way forward for the VISTA-office people is to require an
indemnity from anyone who wants to install it on their own without
support from a certified vendor.
This is implicitly given due to any rational licensing terms.
Isn't
Could someone verify or if I'm wrong, correct this.
The VOE beta requires
1) Windows Box to host
2) Cache server with multi-user license which runs...
3) VOE Beta which needs...
4) CPT Codes from AMA.
That's all the $ pieces, right, excepting workstations running CPRS?
TIA
Mike
In a production system, you would presumably want a backup server and a
mechanism for remote storage of a backup as well and there are some
additional proprietary pieces you might possibly want that the VA removes
from FOIA.
See the Readme.html on the VA ftp site
http://tmlr.net/jump/?c=15494m=3303p=1206440t=164a=296
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On 9/21/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a production system, you would presumably want a backup server and a
mechanism for remote storage of a backup as well and there are some
additional proprietary pieces you might possibly want that the VA removes
from FOIA.
See the
I'm not opposed to allowing authors of proprietary software to have free rein
to market their software and support as aggressively as their business ethics
allows. VistA is in the public domain under FOIA, therefore CMS really shouldn't
have the right to release a derivative of it (i.e.
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 12:25 -0400, Dr. Schrom wrote:
I'm not opposed to allowing authors of proprietary software to have free rein
to market their software and support as aggressively as their business ethics
allows. VistA is in the public domain under FOIA, therefore CMS really
shouldn't
On 9/21/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have little doubt that you will have that same Linux server option with VOE
sometime in the future, likely when it is fully released, and you have the
enhancements such as prescription writing suitable for a physician's office,
DOQIT
I don't think that follows. Being available through FOIA doesn't imply
a GPL style license.
--- Dr. Schrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not opposed to allowing authors of proprietary software to have
free rein
to market their software and support as aggressively as their
business ethics
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 10:33 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
I don't think that follows. Being available through FOIA doesn't imply
a GPL style license.
Absolutely.
As an aside, has there been any confirmation that VOE will be released
into the public domain, or under any OSI compat license?
Gentlemen;
Please be aware that there are some additions to the FOIA as implemented
in VistA Office. Some of these are Pediatrics, OB/Gyn, and support for
Billing. These are not represented in the FOIA currently. The expectation
is that these functionalities will be aded to the FOIA
Here at Clinica, all the cost analysis we do tells us it is going to be
very expensive to migrate to electronic medical records. We can see our
net costs will increase and that will be true for every clinic like
ours, I believe.
Our drivers are:
1) A strong desire to capture clinical data to
Thanks it work.
--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try a mupip rundown and then a mupip integ to check
for database structural integrity. If that's OK try
running VistA again.
Most likely, GT.M is generating an error message
about being unable to access the database, but the
VistA
Thanks David it work now i can sucssesfuly add a ward
and a bed.
Thanks a lot.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi my name is samuel and i want to know how i add
a
Ward Location in vista.
Thanks,
Samuel
I am not an MAS (Medical Adminstration Service)
ADPAC
(Automated Data
Anyone that is begining working with vista and want
documentation about installing vista,GTM, adding
patients,users,wards,beds, and assign patients to beds
and to wards can contact us here in puerto rico. We
had created a documentation on how to do that with the
help of all people in the forum. It
Hi my name is Samuel and i want to know how i add a
medicine to an inpatient. I already create patients,
wards, beds, medicines. But the medicines i create
only can be assigned to outpatients. When i admit a
patient and assign him a bed and a ward the medicine i
create are not available anymore.
The VistA error trap in ^%ZTER attempts to log errors in a global. If GT.M
can't access
the database then it can't save a record of the error, so there will be nothing
to display.
In that case, it might have left a dump file or something else behind in its
working
directory, something like
All I can say is that perhaps CMS shouldn't have made the announcement of
free EHR for physicians, until they had completed all tests, releases to
FOIA, etc.
It sounds to me as that announcement was a political move, which only
produced high expectations in groups like this, and maybe we won't
Todd Berman wrote:
The other thing that BSD code allows you to do that you are missing is
it actually allowed greater *developer* freedom.
Please explain. As I understand it, the only thing lost to developers in using
the GPL is
the freedom to hide the source code for the applications they
Samuel, we would appreciate it if you would add your documentation to the
WorldVistA wiki. If you are willing and have trouble doing it easily, please
send it to we and I will work on getting it posted for you.
The wiki is at
http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/
On Wednesday 21
That's the conclusion I'm coming to also!
Alberto Odor wrote:
All I can say is that perhaps CMS shouldn't have made the announcement of
free EHR for physicians, until they had completed all tests, releases to
FOIA, etc.
It sounds to me as that announcement was a political move, which only
Hi:
I'm trying to install Hui OpenVista on Debian Gnu/Linux Sarge.
Linux Barcelona 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
I tried to install from script, but it didn't installed well. It didn't
decompressed the globals on the g directory. Then I tried the manual install
I suspect that you obtained a version of GT.M that was several years old and
also that
your version of VistA is rather old as well. You would do better with a newer
version of
GT.M. I installed version 4.4-004 on Debian Sarge some time ago and I am sure
that others
have installed version 5 with
Mike,
Have a look at this URL for the VOE specific features:
http://www.vista-office.org/software/features/
One of the benefits of the Beta phase is that it will give us the
opportunity to explore and address what the market tells
us is needed to improve VOE. Related to this it will also give
Hi:
I changed the GT.M to the latest one from Sanchez. Now I get the following
error when I run mumps -r ^GDE:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/2.5/r$ mumps -r ^GDE
%GTM-E-ZROSYNTAX, $ZROUTINES syntax error:
/home/vista/2.5/o(/home/vista/2.5/r/A /home/vista/2.5/r/D /home/vista/2.5/r/E
Hopefully sooner. If you begin with VistA FOIA, you will eventually receive
patches that will bring your FOIA in line with VistAOffice if you choose the
correct options.
On Wednesday 21 September 2005 01:19 pm, Mike Lieman wrote:
On 9/21/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have
Javier, now you have the newer GTM, you should go for a newer OpenVistA as
well. There is a more recent version of OpenVistA in the 0.4 Semi-viva or
Viva found on the WorldVistA site on the Sourceforge web site at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista.
There are also other flavors of
I'm sure no GT.M expert (I don't even run it), but the stray
parenthesis is /usr/local/gtm) looks odd.
--- Javier Vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
/home/vista/2.5/r/_ /usr/local/gtm) /usr/local/gtm()
%GTM-E-FILEPARSE, Error parsing file specification:
/home/vista/2.5/r/F
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 22:20 -0500, Suchi Pande wrote:
[KSB] ...snip...
However, one catch is that there is no warranty in GPL licenced code
(essentially because there is no fixed vendor).
[KSB] This is not quite true. A company may well offer a warranty for a
piece of GPL'd software in
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 12:26 -0700, Jim Self wrote:
Todd Berman wrote:
The other thing that BSD code allows you to do that you are missing is
it actually allowed greater *developer* freedom.
Please explain. As I understand it, the only thing lost to developers in
using the GPL is
the
Hello to everybody in the list. I have been searching in the mailing
list archives looking for messages about Journaling in GT.M...
I could enable journaling in my database using:
mupip set -file
-journal=enable,on,before_images,buffer_size=512,filename=/var/vista/mumps.mjl
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 14:16 -0500, Larry Andreassen wrote:
If this is in a Cache environment, check out their debugger...
http://platinum.intersystems.com/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GCOS_debug#GCOS_debug_debugger
Their debugger allows setting break and watch points, stepping thru
Samuel has been good enough to send me his documentation. It is in Word
documents, some of which can be converted to text files and some with screen
captures, so it will be a bit before I figure out exactly how to get it on
the wiki, unless I can just post the files after talking with those in
Somehow I think it does not recognize the space between /home/vista/2.5/r/F
and /home/vista/2.5/r/G as a space. I have had the experience of retyping a
line and having it look exactly the same and yet work when the previous
version did not. I would suggest either looking at the underlying
Is test data available to populate the Open VistA once I have it downloaded
and installed? By test data I mean, test patients, etc ...
Is the test data from the OpenVista CPRS demo available?
Thanks!
-James Lane
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James Lane wrote:
Is the test data from the OpenVista CPRS demo available?
Yes. That is in OpenVistASemiVivAVADemo0.1.tgz
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Jim Self
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Mike --
I can't speak for VistA, but at least for GT.M on x86 GNU/Linux, there
is no requirement to purchase support.
I would hope, however, that if you were using it successfully, you would
purchase a support contract because that's what funds ongoing
development of GT.M on x86 GNU/Linux, and
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 11:45 -0500, Todd Berman wrote:
[KSB] ...snip...
No. That is *WHAT* Public Domain means. It means anyone can take
anything and do anything with it. Which is why CMS can take
[KSB] Not to pick nits, but this is not strictly true. For example, I
can't take a listing of
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 18:39 -0400, K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 11:45 -0500, Todd Berman wrote:
[KSB] ...snip...
No. That is *WHAT* Public Domain means. It means anyone can take
anything and do anything with it. Which is why CMS can take
[KSB] Not to pick nits, but
This appears to be some sort of problem with the Linux library
configuration, or maybe some compatibility issue between GT.M and your
run time libraries. What version of GT.M are you using?
How about downloading and installing a current version of GT.M (from
Looks like $ZROUTINES ($gtmroutines in the shell is not set up
correctly). It should be *one* l-o-n-g logical line of the form:
/home/vista/2.5/o(/home/vista/2.5/r/A ... /home/vista/2.5/r/_) /usr/local/gtm
But this is of setting thing up the hard way. Recent releases are much
more simply
César --
Let me point you to two resources - the GT.M Admin and Ops Guide at
http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/user_doc.htm and the GT.M
Acculturation live CD (get it at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm). The live CD includes the
Admin and Ops Guide. Work through the
From your statement, I assume that you have thoroughly tested all VistA
options in the 100+ different VistA modules to verify that VistA works fine
without them.
- Original Message -
From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday,
Title: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem with Hui OpenVista installation
Thanks.
Id rather have it on my SuSe version. I have a triple boot on my laptop now
and it makes the hard drive a little sparse. mmk
-Original Message-
From: Bhaskar, KS
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
I've already read the online Admin guide (in the chapter 6 talks about
journaling), and I am using the examples and notes described there and
I still have the same problem, actually, the instructions mentioned
before it comes from that documentation, but thanks :)
is there something missing that
Where can I find prices?
Kevin
On 9/21/05, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike --I can't speak for VistA, but at least for GT.M on x86 GNU/Linux, thereis no requirement to purchase support.
I would hope, however, that if you were using it successfully, you wouldpurchase a support contract
Well, I'm sure they are used SOMEWHERE. But I haven't encountered a need for them yet in our practice after about 6 months of use.
Kevin
On 9/21/05, smcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From your statement, I assume that you have thoroughly tested all VistAoptions in the 100+ different VistA
The standard is 3 firewalls separating the data center from the off site
media, read this as at another location.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy
Anthracite
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:04 AM
To:
Improved clinical documentation
Computerized tracking of immunizations
Ability to share data with peers electronically
More accurate billing
Rx order checking before the order gets to the pharmacy
Key clinical indicator tracking
Instant medical history retrieval - labs, radiology reports, etc.
I fail to see who going with FOIA VistA will circumvent the cost.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy
Anthracite
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:56 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VOE
Steve!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smcphelan
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 7:37 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VOE Beta requirements
From your statement, I assume that you have
Should read:
I fail to see how going with FOIA VistA will circumvent the cost.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Gaber
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 8:36 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE:
Title: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem with Hui OpenVista installation
SuSE 9.0 is pretty old. I have personally run GT.M 4.4 series releases on SuSE 9.1 9.2.
-- Bhaskar
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-Original Message-
From:
My point had nothing to do with the cost, just that all the benefits of VOE
would not necessarily be lost if someone were to start out with a FOIA VistA
installation now rather than waiting for the release of VOE as eventually
they should move closer together or maybe even merge completely.
Nancy Anthracite wrote:
Samuel has been good enough to send me his documentation. It is in Word
documents, some of which can be converted to text files and some with screen
captures, so it will be a bit before I figure out exactly how to get it on
the wiki, unless I can just post the files
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 18:26 -0700, Jim Self wrote:
Todd Berman wrote:
If I am writing a program under a non-GPL compat license (and this does
not mean commercial, there are plenty of popular OSI compat licenses
that are not GPL compat, like the Apache License for example). I can not
use a GPL
César --
I suspect some interaction of the Before and Since parameters, but I have not
played with them very much. Try one or the other first, and then put them
together.
Regards
-- Bhaskar
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of César Yáñez Fernández
Sent: Wed
Thanks for your contribution, Samuel.
I have put up the first section of your guide on the wiki
(watch the word wrap)
http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Installation_How_To_VistA_GT.M_Linux#Samuel_Fontanez.27_Installation_Guide
I have not taken much care with the formating,
Wendell Murray wrote:
I'm not privy to the whatever machinations might exist behind the scenes at
HHS in regard to the release of VOE. The important fact is that it has been
released and people can start doing things with it.
The fact is it hasn't been released.
Todd Berman wrote:
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 10:33 -0700, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
I don't think that follows. Being available through FOIA doesn't imply
a GPL style license.
FOIA implies public domain. That is do anything you want with it.
...and excludes GPL.
My understanding from previous threads
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