Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Dieter Spaar
Hello Nils, Nils Faerber wrote: > On the other hand I also do not like the idea of having wrap wire in the > modem part - makes a good antenna for all kinds of interference. > I don't think the wire is a big problem, its in the shielded "chamber" for baseband processing, RF processing and the

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Werner Almesberger
Nils Faerber wrote: > The one I tried it on was a GTA01-V3. GTA01v4 here. > I am quite hesitant to try that since I fear to hit other components in > the process - the crystal is pretty close, the other capacitor next to > it or even worse the Calypso itself. And then there are the fragments > fl

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Nils Faerber
Daniel Willmann schrieb: > Hi, Hi! > On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:58:53 +0200 > Joerg Reisenweber wrote: >> Last not least: probably a better battery management will have more >> positive effects on standby time than fixing #1024 in hw and using >> AT%sleep=4 all the time. First raw estimations seem to

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Nils Faerber
Dima Kogan schrieb: > I got a better solution. Like Dieter, I added a 10uF cap instead of > replacing the capacitor altogether. However, instead of using a wire, I > placed the new capacitor directly adjacent to the original cap. If > looking at the photo Dieter sent originally, I placed the cap >

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Nils Faerber
Daniel Willmann schrieb: > Hello, Hi! > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:32:59 -0300 > Werner Almesberger wrote: >> Nils Faerber wrote: >> My first try was the "single iron, lots of solder" attack. >> To my great dismay, the cap didn't budge. I then went through >> all my electronics torture chamber has to

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Dima Kogan
I got a better solution. Like Dieter, I added a 10uF cap instead of replacing the capacitor altogether. However, instead of using a wire, I placed the new capacitor directly adjacent to the original cap. If looking at the photo Dieter sent originally, I placed the cap diagonally, bottom-left to top

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:32:59 -0300 Werner Almesberger wrote: > Nils Faerber wrote: > > For testing the process I tried to do the rework on a NEO1973 and > > promptly got into trouble - I was not able to remove the capacitor! > > Is it possible that it is glued to the board? > > Oh, so I

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Nils Faerber
Werner Almesberger schrieb: > Nils Faerber wrote: >> For testing the process I tried to do the rework on a NEO1973 and >> promptly got into trouble - I was not able to remove the capacitor! Is >> it possible that it is glued to the board? > > Oh, so I wasn't the only one with that luck. When I tri

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Werner Almesberger
Nils Faerber wrote: > For testing the process I tried to do the rework on a NEO1973 and > promptly got into trouble - I was not able to remove the capacitor! Is > it possible that it is glued to the board? Oh, so I wasn't the only one with that luck. When I tried to convince Dieter that replacing

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-10 Thread Nils Faerber
For testing the process I tried to do the rework on a NEO1973 and promptly got into trouble - I was not able to remove the capacitor! Is it possible that it is glued to the board? I tried a hot-air rework station but it kept stuck. Then I tried with two (!) irons simultaniously heating both ends of

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-07 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hi, On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:58:53 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Last not least: probably a better battery management will have more > positive effects on standby time than fixing #1024 in hw and using > AT%sleep=4 all the time. First raw estimations seem to suggest > there's an increase in sta

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-06-02 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 25 May 2009, Dieter Spaar wrote: > We have now tested a few phones and it seems that > increasing a capacitor solves the re-camping bug. What a nice surprise to have after a week away :-) Many thanks to Dieter and everyone else involved. ___

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-30 Thread Steve Mosher
thx joerg Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Just to mention it once again, and to stop a possible stampede: > AT%sleep=2 (sw-fix[1]) has fixed recamping reliably for 100% of affected > devices. Not all devices suffer from #1024, actually it seems it's only a > small percentage. FSO is capable of switc

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-29 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Just to mention it once again, and to stop a possible stampede: AT%sleep=2 (sw-fix[1]) has fixed recamping reliably for 100% of affected devices. Not all devices suffer from #1024, actually it seems it's only a small percentage. FSO is capable of switching to AT%sleep=2 even automatically[1]. L

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-28 Thread Mike Westerhof (mwester)
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Just an additional heads-up. Daniel reworked my device on the hardware > workshop which was part of the first FSOSHR conference last weekend in > the LinuxHotel. > > Since then I exposed my FreeRunner to the tough RF conditions in my > office-basement here in Frankf

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-28 Thread Nils Faerber
Perfect, many thanks! Daniel Willmann schrieb: > Hi, > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:59 +0200 > Nils Faerber wrote: > >> Dieter Spaar schrieb: >>> The other solution is to remove C1009 and replace it >>> with a 22 uF capacitor. Daniel Willmann has done this >>> successfully with a few phones. >>

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-28 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hi, On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:59 +0200 Nils Faerber wrote: > Dieter Spaar schrieb: > > The other solution is to remove C1009 and replace it > > with a 22 uF capacitor. Daniel Willmann has done this > > successfully with a few phones. > > So this is really 22µF, not 22nF? > This a quite big capa

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-28 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hi, On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:18:46 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Since then I exposed my FreeRunner to the tough RF conditions in my > office-basement here in Frankfurt/Main and I'm glad to announce that I > had not a single recamping since then. Great! How did fso-abyss and framework tre

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-28 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Just an additional heads-up. Daniel reworked my device on the hardware workshop which was part of the first FSOSHR conference last weekend in the LinuxHotel. Since then I exposed my FreeRunner to the tough RF conditions in my office-basement here in Frankfurt/Main and I'm glad to announce that I h

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-28 Thread Nils Faerber
Dieter Spaar schrieb: > Hello, Hi! > We have now tested a few phones and it seems that > increasing a capacitor solves the re-camping bug. First of all: Congratulations for finding a solution! Many thanks! [...] > The other solution is to remove C1009 and replace it > with a 22 uF capacitor. Dan

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Dieter Spaar
Hello Werner, Werner Almesberger wrote: > Dieter, I think we all owe you a big applause for finding a solution > for this bug. #1024 is as old as Openmoko or even predates it. Many > people have tried their luck at solving this problem and it has been > overlooked, denied, ignored, given up on, an

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Werner Almesberger
I wrote: > Let's also not forget all the others who have contributed towards > killing this beast, [...] And Tony ! - Werner (needs new memory) ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dieter Spaar wrote: > Increasing the capacitor which buffers this power supply > line seems to help. Dieter, I think we all owe you a big applause for finding a solution for this bug. #1024 is as old as Openmoko or even predates it. Many people have tried their luck at solving this problem and it

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:28:55 +0200 David Garabana Barro wrote: > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 11:17:24 Dima Kogan wrote: > > I just performed this fix and so far the recamping is successfully > > squashed. I'm not seeing any recamping (was fairly common before the > > fix). Instead of placing the secon

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Dieter Spaar
Hello, David Garabana Barro wrote: > Dima: Could you please make any tests on battery life with and without > calypso_deep_sleep? > Just a note: The time how long the GSM modem can go into "Deep Sleep" is mainly determined by a parameter of the cell. Its the BS_PA_MFRMS, parameter, range 2 to

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread David Garabana Barro
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 11:17:24 Dima Kogan wrote: > I just performed this fix and so far the recamping is successfully > squashed. I'm not seeing any recamping (was fairly common before the > fix). Instead of placing the second capacitor away from the first and > using a wire to connect the two, I

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Dieter Spaar
Hello Dima, Dima Kogan wrote: > I just performed this fix and so far the recamping is successfully > squashed. I'm not seeing any recamping (was fairly common before the > fix). Instead of placing the second capacitor away from the first and > using a wire to connect the two, I placed it directly

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Dima, wow this is excellent news! How long did it take you to do this fix? How hard was it, how about likelihood that the phone will get damaged in the process? Maybe we should publish a proper PDF SOP, wich some neat pictures and such? Or roll it into the buzz-rework SOP? More reports on this

Re: Bug #1024 (oscillating re-camping), a possible solution.

2009-05-26 Thread Dima Kogan
I just performed this fix and so far the recamping is successfully squashed. I'm not seeing any recamping (was fairly common before the fix). Instead of placing the second capacitor away from the first and using a wire to connect the two, I placed it directly adjacent to the first, using some elect