Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-21 Thread Werner Almesberger
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > So *no* "new GPIO routing" ;-). Okay, I just saw two GPIOs connected to components handling power, amidst a flurry of other changes, and felt my neck hair rise. > And of course I considered reverse-feeding: Alright, you rule ;-) Cheers, Werner __

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-21 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Do 21. August 2008 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: > This rail is 0V as long as there's no USB-supply voltage. We are fine for > all cases except shutdown when on charger. Actually the problem case is "shutdown, hooked to charger, AND overvoltage detected". Then we still got 100kR on this line /

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-21 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 20. August 2008 schrieb Werner Almesberger: > Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > Fine! But where in this description is the point about ME suggesting sth > > like routing (new) GPIO to all sorts of peripherals??? > > Ah, this was the mail that scared me: > https://lists.internal.openmoko.org/pipe

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Jay Vaughan
> There are people that think all kinds of stupid stuff, we shouldn't > let > it divert us from reality. > - -Andy If I'd read it on a wet t-shirt, I'd believe it, but as it stands, just some dork email .. meh. I want to BELIEVE! ; -- Jay Vaughan __

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Fine! But where in this description is the point about ME suggesting sth > like routing (new) GPIO to all sorts of peripherals??? Ah, this was the mail that scared me: https://lists.internal.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2008-August/000497.html > I'm well aware about the

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 20. August 2008 schrieb Werner Almesberger: |> Joerg Reisenweber wrote: |>> HUH? Please give a pointer or quote! :-( |> Phew. Instead of spending the rest of the day searching through our |> archives

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 20. August 2008 schrieb Werner Almesberger: > Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > HUH? Please give a pointer or quote! :-( > > Phew. Instead of spending the rest of the day searching through our > archives for those old problems, let me just briefly describe what > happened: Fine! But where in th

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > HUH? Please give a pointer or quote! :-( Phew. Instead of spending the rest of the day searching through our archives for those old problems, let me just briefly describe what happened: - GTA01: while powering down (PMU.NoPower), the GPIOs would "jerk", causing MODEM_

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
> > If I'm in a situation where I absolutely want to make sure we don't > > emit any power, I'd remove the battery anyway. > OK, there are people who feel uncomfortable with a battery in *any* cellphone > nearby, when they have some confidential talk ;-) OTOH, I'm more concerned about possible t

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 20. August 2008 schrieb Werner Almesberger: > I don't have any specific problem I suspect to happen. I just wanted > to point out the general problem (which seems particularly bad with > those Samsung SoCs), which seems to be important since Joerg recently > suggested to run all sorts of GPI

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Andy Green wrote: > Have a look at the circuit and give some examples of signals that can be > in this condition in "off" state, then we can talk about it. Otherwise > it's just handwaving. I don't have any specific problem I suspect to happen. I just wanted to point out the general problem (whic

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | So unless we're absolutely sure no GPIO can ever have a non-zero | potential (or only through a very large impedance) while we're in Have a look at the circuit and give some examples of signals that can be