Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Uwe Klein
On 8/19/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This power removal is done by U1705, and it should relyably cut power when we disable IO_3V3 what is quite normal for shutoff. No special kernel action required. This is in a lot of cases a faulty assumtion. Depending on the internal

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 8/19/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | This power removal is done by U1705, and it should relyably cut power when we | disable IO_3V3 what is quite normal for shutoff. | No special

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Uwe Klein
On 8/20/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 8/19/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | This power removal is done by U1705, and it should relyably cut power when we |

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 8/20/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | On 8/19/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Uwe Klein
On 8/20/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, which pins still have any high level that can feed GSM side through protection diodes in this situation? CPU doesn't have any rail above 0V... Sorry for herding goats. MY understanding was we talk about CPU up _and_ GSM down. i.e.

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | So unless we're absolutely sure no GPIO can ever have a non-zero | potential (or only through a very large impedance) while we're in Have a look at the circuit and give some examples of signals that can

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 8/20/08, Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | That's why try to control as many signals to subsystems that are | active in PMU.STANDBY as possible from PMU GPIOs. And yes, it would | be

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Andy Green wrote: Have a look at the circuit and give some examples of signals that can be in this condition in off state, then we can talk about it. Otherwise it's just handwaving. I don't have any specific problem I suspect to happen. I just wanted to point out the general problem (which

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Uwe Klein wrote: Would reeducating the PMU help? If you have some technology how to alter the mask-programmed default settings we (and probably lots of others as well) would be extremely interested ;-) - Werner ___ hardware mailing list

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 8/20/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We have no control over PMU startup. It brings up various rails how it | likes all at the same time at levels it likes. | The PCF50633 ? | I have printed

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 20. August 2008 schrieb Werner Almesberger: I don't have any specific problem I suspect to happen. I just wanted to point out the general problem (which seems particularly bad with those Samsung SoCs), which seems to be important since Joerg recently suggested to run all sorts of GPIOs

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
If I'm in a situation where I absolutely want to make sure we don't emit any power, I'd remove the battery anyway. OK, there are people who feel uncomfortable with a battery in *any* cellphone nearby, when they have some confidential talk ;-) OTOH, I'm more concerned about possible

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: HUH? Please give a pointer or quote! :-( Phew. Instead of spending the rest of the day searching through our archives for those old problems, let me just briefly describe what happened: - GTA01: while powering down (PMU.NoPower), the GPIOs would jerk, causing

Re: Wifi

2008-08-20 Thread Uwe Klein
On 8/20/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but the datasheet does not have all the info. There are various mask-programmed options on our variant I don't know are listed anywhere externally. But the basic deal is it switches on a bunch of regulators all at the same moment with

Re: Wifi / PMU Startup actions enforced by our variant

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 8/20/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Yes, but the datasheet does not have all the info. There are various | mask-programmed options on our variant I don't know are listed anywhere |

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 20. August 2008 schrieb Werner Almesberger: | Joerg Reisenweber wrote: | HUH? Please give a pointer or quote! :-( | Phew. Instead of spending the rest of the day searching through our | archives for

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Werner Almesberger
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Fine! But where in this description is the point about ME suggesting sth like routing (new) GPIO to all sorts of peripherals??? Ah, this was the mail that scared me: https://lists.internal.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2008-August/000497.html I'm well aware about the

Re: Wifi / off-state leakage

2008-08-20 Thread Jay Vaughan
There are people that think all kinds of stupid stuff, we shouldn't let it divert us from reality. - -Andy If I'd read it on a wet t-shirt, I'd believe it, but as it stands, just some dork email .. meh. I want to BELIEVE! ; -- Jay Vaughan