RE: [ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-21 Thread heatherlenson
I just read this story to a class. The brothers were not jealous of each other. They were concerned for each other. -- Heather Lenson E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (440) 542-0036 Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed

[ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-21 Thread Linda Silver
HaSafran never fails! There were many replies to my question about the origin of the two brothers story and the majority opinion is that is probably Arabic, rather than Jewish, in origin, with a Jewish variant not appearing until the 19th century. Thanks to everyone from the US, Canada, Spain,

RE: [ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-21 Thread Bernstein, Steven (Library)
Heather, The story I posted to the listserv is an Israeli joke. It is a parody of the story of the two brothers who are concerned for each other. Read the punch-line again. Steven Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily

Re: [ha-Safran]: Two brothers

2007-10-19 Thread Tirocinio S.L.
There is another original Jewish story of a Christian twins, one of which would be sequestered an educated as a Jew in a different place. They meet at the University and they went astonished by their similitudes. A series of involving and moving circumstances are shown. The Jew didn't refuse

RE: [ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-18 Thread Bernstein, Steven (Library)
Daniel Stuhlman researched the answer to this question in the February 1997 issue of his Librarian's Lobby http://home.earthlink.net/~ddstuhlman/crc2.htm. Apparently, the story is of unknown origin. There is a similar story about two brothers who lived on opposite sides of a hill. One was

Re: [ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-18 Thread Stanley Nachamie
I think there was discussion of this on Hasafran a number of years ago, but I don't remember all the specifics. I think it was found in a late source, and possibly is of non-Jewish origin, especially since many elements of the story contradict the Tanakh and the Talmud. -Stanley Nachamie

Re: [ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-18 Thread Daniel Stuhlman
I wrote an article on this story. None of the above are the source. See: home.earthlink.net/~ddstuhlman/crc2.htm Daniel Stuhlman ddstuhlman at earthlink.net Chicago, IL Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the

[ha-Safran]: Two brothers

2007-10-18 Thread Joseph Tabory
The earliest appearance of this story seems to be in the book of Alph. De Lamartine, Voyage en Orient, 1, 1875, p. 329. the author states that he heard it from Arabs when he visited Palestine. These facts, and the further history of the story, appear in Z. Vilnay, Legends of the Sacred Land

Re: [ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-18 Thread Michael Pitkowsky
The source is most likely an Arab folk tale. I wrote about it on my blog last year. http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2006/03/30/two-brothers-a-field-and-the-temple/ Michael Pitkowsky Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily

[ha-Safran]: Two Brothers

2007-10-17 Thread Linda Silver
The story about the two brothers who look after one another and on whose land, in recognition of their good deeds, Solomon built the Temple, is a staple of Jewish children's literature. It is usually attributed to midrash. Does anyone know of a precise source for the story, whether