* Oh, Network.HTTP is non-standard!? Thats wierd. * Uh Oh. Google reveals at least three different implementations... * Now, how do I determine which one is installed here? * Is there a local copy of the package somewhere? * No? Ok, is it available for download somewhere? * Uhm, is the version I am using still available for download? * Oh, we made local changes too!? What were they? * Ok, we added Network.Socket.SSL. That's standard right? [rinse/repeat] [A lot of detective work later...] * Ok, now we've figured out all the packages, how do we ship them? [shipping strategy devised...] * But what happens if I don't have root/admin on the target machine? [...] * Oh, this package conflicts with something already installed? [etc.]
It is true that Cabal's Build-Depends doesn't do everything you want it
to, but your proposal also duplicates some of the functionality of
Build-Depends, and makes it so that there are two places where
dependencies are stored. We should only have to specify dependencies once.
I agree you should only have to specify dependencies once. But, deferring dependency tracking to the point you are ready to ship (with Cabal or otherwise) is a recipe for disaster. Every code dependency should be explicit and verified at compile time. You should be able to to look at any block of code at any time and be able to produce the list of packages required to make it run.
Strawman proposal 2:
Modify the import syntax to allow package identifiers:
import qualified HaXML HaXML.XML.Parse import HAppS HAppS.ACID import Personal MyLib
Define a packages file format to resolve package ids to locations:
<packages>
<package id="HaXML" src="http://haskell.org/HaXML/HaXML.hkg";>
<remap ref="HUnit" src="http://haskell.org/HUnit2"/>
<remap ref="Parse" src="#Parse"/>
</package>
<package id="Parse" src="http://parser.org/parse.hkg"/>
<package id="HAppS" src="http://haskell.org/HAppS.hkg"; />
<package id="Personal" src="../MyLibs" />
<redirect from="http://oldversion"; to="http://newversion"; />
</packages>Add a -p option to the compiler pointing to a packages file and use the content of that file to resolve module ids to implementations. The compiler MUST give an error if the user tries to associate the same module id with two different implementations [no grafting/module relativity!]
Remove the -i compiler option. Any import of a module not in the local path must have a package id. [Get rid of import path order/overlap ambiguity!]
Replace Cabal's Build-Depends field label with a Packages field label that takes a path to a packages file as a value. Add option to include a copy of all packages used by the current package.
Give error if modules from other packages give conflicting module implementations. Allow user to resolve conflict in imported package files by using remap and redirect elements in the packages file.
I don't think it's necessary to specify dependencies with module granularity. This just increases the number of possible error cases, without adding functionality.
If I use multiple packages that export the same module identifier, I need a way to specify which one I want to use. Haskell's existing packaging model doesn't let met do that easily.
- Package dependencies in Build-Depends could be specified using
URLs.
But then dependencies aren't checked at compile time and you can't specify which modules come from which packages.
- Cabal could download, build, and install dependencies without any
user intervention.
Download and build? Great! Install? No thank you!
In a fundamental sense, *installation* of third party libraries is exactly what I am opposing here. Library installation is what allows untracked dependencies to creep in. Users of executables definitely want a process for installation of executables in their local environment because they need a way to adjudicate potential conflicts between them (e.g. file associations). However, what users of libraries want is just a safe and easy way to populate a local cache of module-implementations from various sources and that is what I am asking for here.
-Alex-
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