Re: gcc GHC?

2001-07-27 Thread Reuben Thomas
ghc for win32 isn't cool. We're trying to make it cooler. If you have any specific gripes, we'd be happy to hear them (mostly they're things we know about, but we like to have user input to know what to concentrate on). it remind me java in gcc 3.0. How so? is there any ghc project as gcc

RE: wait(2)

2001-07-27 Thread Simon Marlow
This is interesting, but not what I want. I want something to wait on a real, Posix, child, _process_!! Not a GHC thread. Ah. Oops :) There's one other way that Marcin didn't mention: wait for SIGCHLD, which can be done without blocking the whole process. Unfortunately there's no easy

Re: frp neophyte query (franTk specific)

2001-07-27 Thread Amit Garg
Hehe ...i figured it out :) Essentially followed the thread of logic outlined in the 'fix' for the 'remainder' problem by Lars. Thanks! btw, would it be correct to say that 'fixIO' is used to create unbounded loops without using run-time recursion? Or that its a way of telling the compiler not

newbie prelude question

2001-07-27 Thread Cagdas Ozgenc
Hi, I was investigating the prelude the other day. I was bewildered with the highly complicated expressions, and interesting syntax. My question is : are there any tweaks in the prelude? I mean : are there any language constructs which have some sort of special treatment? Which ones are hard

computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread Miles Egan
I apologize if this question has already been asked, but I couldn't find a searchable version of the mail archive. Doug Bagley's computer language shootout, http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/, a collection of mini-benchmarks in several languages, doesn't paint a very flattering picture of

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread matt hellige
[Miles Egan [EMAIL PROTECTED]] I apologize if this question has already been asked, but I couldn't find a searchable version of the mail archive. Doug Bagley's computer language shootout, http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/, a collection of mini-benchmarks in several languages, doesn't

RE: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread brk
GHC ranks quite poorly currently. (I think there's an AWK implementation that's ahead of it, nevermind Ruby or Python). There are still a couple of benchmarks that haven't been implemented yet for Haskell, and a couple more that don't make sense for a non-OO language. I spent a little while

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread Miles Egan
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:18:49AM -0500, matt hellige wrote: [Miles Egan [EMAIL PROTECTED]] I apologize if this question has already been asked, but I couldn't find a searchable version of the mail archive. Doug Bagley's computer language shootout,

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread Miles Egan
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:11:20AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say (and this also relates to the newbie question thread) that I don't understand why GHC fares so poorly, and I guess I find it a little frustrating. I think it's important to keep these benchmarks in perspective,

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread matt hellige
[Miles Egan [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Overall speed ratings on the scorecard page place GHC below AWK and slightly ahead of TCL. GHC does perform well on a few of the benchmarks but performs surprisingly poorly on many others, which makes me think that there's a lot of room for improvement.

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread Marc van Dongen
Miles Egan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [shootout] Before it starts to explode, can we move this thread to the Haskell Cafe? Regards, Marc -- Marc van Dongen, CS Dept | phone: +353 21 4903578 University College Cork, NUIC | Fax:+353 21 4903113 Western Road, Cork, Ireland |

RE: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread brk
-Original Message- From: Miles Egan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:11:20AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say (and this also relates to the newbie question thread) that I don't understand why GHC fares so poorly, and I guess I find it a little

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread Miles Egan
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:34:40AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Bryn Keller] While this is absolutely true, and well worth remembering, GHC's performance is in some cases reasonably competitive, but in others is many times slower than Ocaml. For instance: Times are

Re: computer language shootout

2001-07-27 Thread Miles Egan
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 06:28:26PM +0100, Marc van Dongen wrote: Miles Egan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [shootout] Before it starts to explode, can we move this thread to the Haskell Cafe? Happily. I apologize if this isn't the right list. It wasn't quite clear to me which list was

Re: newbie conceptual question [from haskell list]

2001-07-27 Thread D. Tweed
Important confession since Fergus is in the discussion: I've not actually read any of the C or C++ standards; I've got an impression of what they say from various textbooks and the gcc mailing lists. On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Fergus Henderson wrote: But there are so *many* such stupidities. If

Re: newbie conceptual question [from haskell list]

2001-07-27 Thread matt hellige
[Fergus Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Could you be more specific about exactly which kinds of optimizations you are referring to here? If/when multiple-CPU machines become common, so that automatic parallelization is a serious issue, then it will be much more important. But currently the