[Haskell] ANN: Chart library v1.0

2013-08-29 Thread Tim Docker
://hackage.haskell.org/package/Chart-diagrams Tim Docker ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Problem with mailman at projects.haskell.org

2013-05-13 Thread Tim Docker
, 2013 7:24 AM, Tim Docker t...@dockerz.net wrote: Hi, Has anyone noticed problems with the mailman instance running at projects.haskell.org? As best I can see there are no new posts in any of the hosted list archives since mid April. I know that there have been posts made to ch

[Haskell-cafe] Problem with mailman at projects.haskell.org

2013-05-12 Thread Tim Docker
Hi, Has anyone noticed problems with the mailman instance running at projects.haskell.org? As best I can see there are no new posts in any of the hosted list archives since mid April. I know that there have been posts made to ch...@projects.haskell.org in May, and these have neither be

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Looking for portable Haskell or Haskell like language

2013-04-28 Thread Tim Docker
On 27/04/13 15:21, Christopher Howard wrote: Hi. I've got this work situation where I've got to do all my work on /ancient/ RHEL5 systems, with funky software configurations, and no root privileges. I wanted to install GHC in my local account, but the gnu libc version is so old (2.5!) that I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] MVar which can not be null ?

2013-03-18 Thread Tim Docker
On 18/03/13 19:07, s9gf4ult wrote: nor STM, becuase IO is not acceptable inside STM transaction. I just need some thread-safe blocking variable like MVar modifyMVar :: MVar http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.6.0.1/doc/html/Control-Concurrent-MVar.html#t:MVar a - (a - IO

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Open-source projects for beginning Haskell students?

2013-03-12 Thread Tim Docker
On 12/03/13 05:26, Jason Dagit wrote: Myself and several of my friends would find it useful to have a plotting library that we can use from ghci to quickly/easily visualize data. Especially if that data is part of a simulation we are toying with. Therefore, this proposal is for: A gnuplot-,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Trouble installing and using Chart/cairo on windows 7

2013-03-03 Thread Tim Docker
On 04/03/13 07:22, Arnaud Bailly wrote: Then I managed to install splot and timeplot. I then tried to use Chart to draw a simple chart, following http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/Chart/0.16/doc/html/Graphics-Rendering-Chart-Simple.html and it hang forever with a CPU at 100%. As

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Type classes, collections, sum types, closures, and a massive headache

2013-01-30 Thread Tim Docker
On 29/01/2013, at 12:43 PM, Bob Hutchison hutch-li...@recursive.ca wrote: The immediate problem is mapping an input to the system, some json message containing a reference to the 'thing' (like a key of some kind). I have to take that reference and find the thing and operate on it. All

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Suggestiong for inter-thread communication

2013-01-27 Thread Tim Docker
Hi Eric, In a previous project, I chose vty over ncurses: - you can write your own event loop, and hence handle different event sources. - more liberal license (BSD3 versus GPL) Tim On 26/01/13 19:24, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, I am in the process of writing a Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: cabal-install-1.16.0 (and Cabal-1.16.0.1)

2012-10-04 Thread Tim Docker
Does this new release included the sandbox functions discussed in this blog post: http://blog.johantibell.com/2012/08/you-can-soon-play-in-cabal-sandbox.html ? Tim ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Over general types are too easy to make.

2012-09-02 Thread Tim Docker
On 01/09/12 04:00, timothyho...@seznam.cz wrote: I'd have to say that there is one(and only one) issue in Haskell that bugs me to the point where I start to think it's a design flaw: It's much easier to type things over generally than it is to type things correctly. Say we have a data

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Over general types are too easy to make.

2012-09-02 Thread Tim Docker
On 02/09/12 20:35, timothyho...@seznam.cz wrote: It seems to be a probability approaching law, that I run into this for a given multi-constructor type. Regardless of it's purpose. Maybe your large multi-constructor types are too monolithic? Again it's hard to know given a fabricated

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ghc-7.4 on CentOS-5.8 ?

2012-06-27 Thread Tim Docker
Here's the steps I had to go go to get ghc7.0 working on RHEL 5.6: http://twdkz.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/installing-ghc-7-0-3-and-the-haskell-platform-on-rhel-5-6/ I expect that the same steps will work for ghc 7.4. I need to use a more recent version of gcc that than supplied with RHEL5.6.

Re: [Haskell] JustHub 'Sherkin' Release

2012-06-14 Thread Tim Docker
On 14/06/12 18:36, Peter Simons wrote: it might be of interest to know that the Nix package manager [1] offers that functionality too, but it can install such Haskell environments on all Linux variants and on MacOS X without requiring superuser privileges. Is this actually the case? When I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Drawing charts over a lot of data

2011-11-28 Thread Tim Docker
On 22/11/2011, at 10:55 AM, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: Be aware that Chart is pretty slow on large data sets. I've noticed this too. I believe the issue is with the cairo bindings - hopefully a new version of gtk2hs will fix this:

[Haskell-cafe] stack overflow pain

2011-09-21 Thread Tim Docker
I'm getting a stack overflow exception in code like this: -- applyAction :: A - IO [B] vs - fmap concat $ mapM applyAction sas return vs I don't get it if I change the code to this: -- applyAction :: A - IO [B] mapM_

Re: [Haskell-cafe] stack overflow pain

2011-09-21 Thread Tim Docker
On 21/09/11 02:39, Heinrich Apfelmus wrote: Tim Docker wrote: I'm getting a stack overflow exception in code like this: -- applyAction :: A - IO [B] vs - fmap concat $ mapM applyAction sas return vs I don't get it if I change the code

Re: [Haskell-cafe] mapM is supralinear?

2011-09-21 Thread Tim Docker
On 09/09/2011, at 8:19 PM, John Lato wrote: Agreed. Whenever I'd like to use mapM (or any other function for which a *M_ is available), I've found the following rules helpful: 1. If I can guarantee the list is short (~ n=20), go ahead and use mapM 2. Otherwise use mapM_, foldM_, or

memory statistics via an API ?

2011-07-19 Thread Tim Docker
The +RTS -s runtime arguments give some useful details the memory usage of a program on exit. eg: 102,536 bytes allocated in the heap 2,620 bytes copied during GC 36,980 bytes maximum residency (1 sample(s)) 28,556 bytes maximum slop 1 MB

[Haskell-cafe] haskell platform question

2011-06-07 Thread Tim Docker
I'd like to build the haskell platform against a recent GHC snapshot, for testing purposes. I see that I can download the source for the platform from: http://lambda.galois.com/hp-tmp/2011.2.0.1/haskell-platform-2011.2.0.1.tar.gz with instructions:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell platform question

2011-06-07 Thread Tim Docker
On 07/06/11 14:03, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 07:34, Tim Dockert...@dockerz.net wrote: do others go about testing their code with many hackage dependencies against a new ghc? I would have expected that the first thing to do would be get the We don't, for the most part;

Re: memory slop

2011-04-19 Thread Tim Docker
On 14/04/2011, at 6:24 PM, Simon Marlow wrote: I made some changes to the storage manager in the runtime today, and fixed the slop problem with your program. Here it is after the changes: 14,928,031,040 bytes allocated in the heap 313,542,200 bytes copied during GC 18,044,096

memory slop (was: Using the GHC heap profiler)

2011-03-22 Thread Tim Docker
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:59 AM, I wrote: My question on the ghc heap profiler on stack overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5306717/how-should-i-interpret-the-output-of-the-ghc-heap-profiler remains unanswered :-( Perhaps that's not the best forum. Is there someone here prepared to

Re: memory slop

2011-03-22 Thread Tim Docker
On 22/03/11 05:33, Daniel Fischer wrote: On Wednesday 23 March 2011 03:32:16, Tim Docker wrote: Is the slop number above likely to be a significant contribution to net memory usage? Yes, absolutely. Are there any obvious reasons why the code below could be generating so much? I suspect

Re: memory slop

2011-03-22 Thread Tim Docker
On 22/03/11 10:47, Brandon Moore wrote: It sounds like the space is allocated but unused pages. Unless you have messed with some kernel memory manager settings, unused virtual pages consume no physical RAM. You could confirm this by using ps to check how much RSS is actually used, compared to

Using the GHC heap profiler

2011-03-20 Thread Tim Docker
My question on the ghc heap profiler on stack overflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5306717/how-should-i-interpret-the-output-of-the-ghc-heap-profiler remains unanswered :-( Perhaps that's not the best forum. Is there someone here prepared to explain how the memory usage in the heap

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: Chart v0.14

2010-10-27 Thread Tim Docker
: http://dockerz.net/software/chart.html Thanks to Malcolm Wallace, Eugene Kirpichov, and Matt Brown for their contributions to this release. Tim Docker -- New features in v0.14 - * Plot Type: AreaSpots4D

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Candlestick charts

2010-09-27 Thread Tim Docker
On 25/09/10 06:57, rgowka1 wrote: What are the libraries to use in Haskell to generate a stock candlestick chart like http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPYp=Db=5g=5id=p05007254056 I will use Finance-Quote-Yahoo to get the quote data from Yahoo. The chart library:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Chart package segfaults when rendering to window

2010-08-01 Thread Tim Docker
On 27/07/10 21:37, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: I can run any of the examples from the home page that render to screen. the AM chart is the one I'm using. BTW, the AM chart has a bug. It does not include the proper color modules and needs a (opaque color) instead of just color. gtk2hs is 11

[Haskell-cafe] class Arbitrary in quickcheck

2010-05-05 Thread Tim Docker
I've notice a behaviour of quickcheck that is unexpected to me. With this code: import Test.QuickCheck main = check myconfig ((\v - v == v) :: (Maybe Double,Maybe Double) - Bool) myconfig = defaultConfig{configMaxTest=10, configEvery = \n args - show n ++ :\n

Re: [Haskell-cafe] class Arbitrary in quickcheck

2010-05-05 Thread Tim Docker
On 5 May 2010 09:01, Ozgur Akgun ozgurak...@gmail.com wrote: your quick check property (in a different way of writing) is the following: prop_1 :: Maybe Double - Bool prop_1 v = v == v I think you misunderstood me. The property was fabricated just for

[Haskell-cafe] Re: class Arbitrary in quickcheck

2010-05-05 Thread Tim Docker
On May 5, 10:57 pm, Ozgur Akgun ozgurak...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try to understand you then. What happens when you run the following command in ghci? sample (arbitrary :: Gen (Maybe Int, Maybe Int) ) Do you still always get (Just _, Just _) or (Nothing, Nothing) pairs, or do you also get

Re: [Haskell-cafe] HDBC-ODBC and SqlValues

2010-04-08 Thread Tim Docker
Jason: Thanks for the reply. I suspect the solution is to correctly tell Haskell what type you expect and then hopefully HDBC will do the conversion. For example, using fromSql: http://software.complete.org/static/hdbc/doc/Database-HDBC.html#v% 3AfromSql Yes. I can use fromSql to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] HDBC-ODBC and SqlValues

2010-04-08 Thread Tim Docker
John Goerzen wrote: Tim Docker wrote: Yes. I can use fromSql to convert the result back to an appropriate numerical type. But internally the numeric data has still been converted to an intermediate string representation. I'm wondering if this is intentional, and whether it matters. Yes

[Haskell-cafe] HDBC-ODBC and SqlValues

2010-04-07 Thread Tim Docker
I'm experimenting with haskell and relational databases. I have successfully coupled unixodbc + freetds + hdbc-odbc, and can make trivial queries. However, I'm surprised at the result types: $ ghci GHCi, version 6.10.3: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ :? for help Loading package ghc-prim ... linking

Re: [Haskell-cafe] IORef memory leak

2009-06-18 Thread Tim Docker
I'm having some trouble with excessive memory use in a program that uses a lot of IORefs. I was able to write a much simpler program which exhibits the same sort of behavior. It appears that modifyIORef and writeIORef leak memory; perhaps they keep a reference to the old value. I tried

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Stack overflow

2009-05-27 Thread Tim Docker
Thanks for the tip, although it seems tricky to get it right. I wonder why there is no strict version of atomicModifyIORef? Dually there might be a strict version of IORef datatype. Alternatively, you could use STM, where you can write your own atomic update function, which has the strictness

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Binary suboptimal instance

2009-05-24 Thread Tim Docker
andrewcoppin: The problem seems to boil down to this: The Binary instance for Double (and Float, by the way) is... well I guess you could argue it's very portable, but efficient it isn't. As we all know, an IEEE-754 double-precision floating-point number occupies 64 bits; 1 sign bit, 11

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Data.Binary and little endian encoding

2009-05-14 Thread Tim Docker
On a related matter, I am using Data.Binary to serialise data from haskell for use from other languages. The Data.Binary encoding of a Double is a long integer for the mantissa, and an int for the exponent. This doesn't work too well for interacting with other languages as I'd need to have an

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Is Haskell a Good Choice for Web Applications?(ANN: Vocabulink)

2009-05-07 Thread Tim Docker
I think that multi-threading in combination with laziness makes space usage harder to manage. In fact, just today I have discovered a problem with a long running server process with a subtle space leak. With a regular process that communicates with the outside world via IO, I know that the act of

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Is Haskell a Good Choice for Web Applications?(ANN: Vocabulink)

2009-05-07 Thread Tim Docker
I think that multi-threading in combination with laziness makes space usage harder to manage. In fact, just today I have discovered a problem with a long running server process with a subtle space leak. With a regular process that communicates with the outside world via IO, I know that the act of

[Haskell-cafe] Data.Map and strictness (was: Is Haskell a Good Choice for WebApplications?(ANN: Vocabulink))

2009-05-07 Thread Tim Docker
documentation. -Original Message- From: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Tim Docker Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 6:04 PM To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Is Haskell a Good Choice for WebApplications?(ANN: Vocabulink

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Difficulties in accessing inner elements of data types

2009-03-03 Thread Tim Docker
While writing an OrgFile is fairly easy, reading (and accessing inner parts) of an org file is very tedious, and modifying them is horrendous. Have you looked at http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/data-accessor It's something I've used successfully when wanting to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Animated line art

2008-12-08 Thread Tim Docker
On 06/12/2008, at 6:32 AM, Andrew Coppin wrote: Tim Docker wrote: If you implement your drawing logic as a function from time to the appropriate render actions, ie | import qualified Graphics.Rendering.Cairo as C | | type Animation = Time - C.Render () then you just need to call

[Haskell-cafe] detecting socket closure in haskell

2008-12-04 Thread Tim Docker
This is a haskell + networking question... I have a multi threaded haskell server, which accepts client connections, processes their requests, and returns results. It currently works as desired, except where a client drops a connection whilst the server is processing a request. In this

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Animated line art

2008-12-04 Thread Tim Docker
It seems that the correct course of action is to design a DSL for declaratively describing animated line art. Does anybody have ideas about what such a thing might look like? Someone else already mentioned FRAN and it's ilk. But perhaps you don't need something that fancy. If you implement your

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Proof of a multi-threaded application

2008-11-17 Thread Tim Docker
Ketil Malde wrote: My apologies for side-tracking, but does anybody have performance numbers for STM? I have an application waiting to be written using STM, boldly parallelizing where no man has parallelized before, but if it doesn't make it faster, the whole excercise gets a lot less

[Haskell] Announce: Chart-0.9

2008-10-29 Thread Tim Docker
Chart-0.9 is now available via hackage and a darcs repository. This is a library for drawing 2D charts. It relies upon the haskell cairo binding that is part of gtk2hs, and hence supports several backend output formats (png, pdf, ps, etc). Further information is available here:

[Haskell-cafe] typeclass question

2008-09-11 Thread Tim Docker
I have a typeclass related question that I have been puzzling over. In a library I am working on, I have a series of functions for converting values to Renderables: | labelToRenderable :: Label - Renderable | legendToRenderable :: Legend - Renderable | axisToRenderable :: Axis v - Renderable |

Re: [Haskell-cafe] typeclass question

2008-09-11 Thread Tim Docker
Also, MPTC take me out of the world of haskell 98, which I was trying to avoid. Why. Everyone does it, Well, it's a library that others might use, so I would prefer to avoid using language extensions, especially functional deps which I don't understand, and which seem to have an uncertain

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Functional references

2008-09-09 Thread Tim Docker
I've discussed the license of data-accessor with it's authors (Luke Palmer Henning Thieleman). They are ok with changing it to BSD3. So I don't think the license will be a reason not to use it. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ganesh

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Propeganda

2008-08-27 Thread Tim Docker
Dan Weston wrote: Tim Docker wrote: That differs from my experience. Most segfaults that *I've* caused (in C or C++) have been due to dereferencing null pointers. Type safety does help you here, in that Maybe lets you distinguish the types of things that are optionally present from

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Propeganda

2008-08-26 Thread Tim Docker
David Roundy wrote: Which illustrates the point that it's not type safety that protects us from segfaults, so much as bounds checking, and that's got a non-trivial runtime cost. At least, most segfaults that *I've* caused (in C or C++) have been from overwriting the bounds of arrays, and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Alternatives to convoluted record syntax

2008-07-03 Thread Tim Docker
For access to nested record fields I implemented the record-access package. Unfortunately the field accessors must still be written manually. http://darcs.haskell.org/record-access/src/Data/Accessor/Example.hs I looked for this on hackage, but found instead this:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: library for drawing charts

2008-06-04 Thread Tim Docker
Neal Alexander wrote: I was using the HaskellCharts library and needed the same two things; so i rolled a quick and dirty pie chart generator (Barchart is on the TODO list). http://72.167.145.184:8000/Screenshot.png http://72.167.145.184:8000/PieChart.hs Nice! Do you mind if I refactor

Re: [Haskell-cafe] library for drawing charts

2008-05-25 Thread Tim Docker
Peter wrote: Has anyone got some code for drawing charts? I don't mean graphs of functions, ala http://dockerz.net/twd/HaskellCharts ... I would like something that can generate PNGs in memory, i.e. not directly to a file. The library at the above URL supports a range of backends through

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Interesting critique of OCaml

2008-05-08 Thread Tim Docker
| An interesting critique of OCaml. | | http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/2008/05/07/why-ocaml-sucks/ Interesting to me is that my pet ocaml peeve is not there: namely the lack of convenient operator overloading. Admittedly I only used ocaml for 6 months, but I never adapted to needing to write

[Haskell] ANN: Chart 0.6

2008-03-10 Thread Tim Docker
A post to announce that Chart-0.6 is now available from it's darcs repository and from hackage. This is a library for drawing 2D charts. It relies upon the haskell cairo binding that is part of gtk2hs, and hence supports several backend output formats (windows, png, pdf, ps, etc). I'm announcing

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How to make GHC 6.6 and 6.8 co-exist -- was: First go at reactive programming

2008-01-28 Thread Tim Docker
stevelihn wrote: In my brief experience with Ocaml's GODI, GODI has a way to specify them in a so-called config package. The install package then reads what it needs from the config package. In perl's CPAN shell, you can specify them in the cpan config file (to some extent). I suggest

[Haskell] hbeat: a rhythm sequencer

2008-01-15 Thread Tim Docker
I've just uploaded to hackage a step-based music sequencer, called hbeat. It's little more than a toy, but it's fun. It ought to be cross platform, though has been built and tested solely on linux. Given that it's only 400 or so lines, it may be a useful example for anyone wanting to

[Haskell-cafe] Interesting data structure

2007-12-27 Thread Tim Docker
I'm using a control structure that's a variation of a monad and I'm interested in whether - it's got a name - it deserves a name (!) - anything else similar is used elsewhere Please excuse the longer post... I have two programs that need to interact with the outside world, and I

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Point and link

2007-12-09 Thread Tim Docker
Andrew Coppin wrote: Such a GUI would be cool for a number of projects. It still needs to exist first. ;-) I don't think anyone has mentioned this: http://haskell.org/Blobs which I haven't used, though the screenshots look good. ___ Haskell-Cafe

RE: [Haskell-cafe] cabal under windows (was Re: Haskell-CafeDigest, Vol 51, Issue 180)

2007-11-29 Thread Tim Docker
Duncan Coutts wrote: Tim Docker wrote: Is it actually reasonable to expect any cabal packages that depend on external c libraries and headers to build out of the box on windows? How can cabal find out where those files are, without requiring a config file to be edited? It's usually

[Haskell-cafe] cabal under windows (was Re: Haskell-Cafe Digest, Vol 51, Issue 180)

2007-11-28 Thread Tim Docker
Well I'd say none of the packages I've tried, build out of the box... I'm not a windows developer, but Is it actually reasonable to expect any cabal packages that depend on external c libraries and headers to build out of the box on windows? How can cabal find out where those files are,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Chart plotting libraries

2007-11-15 Thread Tim Docker
droundy: Chart has rather a complicated API. I've written a simpler API (but somewhat less flexible), if anyone's interested (Tim wasn't). My API is closer in complexity (of use) to matlab's plotting. I'd describe the API as verbose rather than complicated. It takes 5-10 lines of haskell to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Chart plotting libraries

2007-11-14 Thread Tim Docker
don: jon: I'd like some free software to help me plot charts like the one from the ray tracer language comparison: A quick search of hackage.haskell.org, http://dockerz.net/twd/HaskellCharts I need to update the package to build under ghc-6.8.1, though I think it's just a change to

RE: [Haskell-cafe] FP design

2007-11-07 Thread Tim Docker
levi.stephen wrote: I have similar questions about Haskell abstracting away implementations behind interfaces as well. I have become used to an approach where I will not worry about databases/persistence when beginning. I will create an interface to a database layer (e.g., save(object),

RE: [Haskell-cafe] FP design

2007-11-07 Thread Tim Docker
levi.stephen wrote: My concern (which may be inexperience ;) ) is with the monads here though. What if I hadn't seen that the IO monad (or any other Monad) was going to be necessary in the type signatures? You'd have some refactoring to do :-) But actually, it's not possible to create an

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Best Linux for Haskell?

2007-11-06 Thread Tim Docker
I can confirm that ghc-6.8.1 builds from source completely without fuss on the latest ubuntu (7.10). (... though it took a couple of hours of cpu time :-) Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seth Gordon Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Go parallel

2007-11-05 Thread Tim Docker
Is it possible to use the forkIO primitive to cause pure computations to be evaluated in parallel threads? It seems to me that laziness would always prevent any evaluation until the result was used in a consuming thread (and hence would occur serially, in that thread). Tim -Original

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Go parallel

2007-11-05 Thread Tim Docker
November 2007 11:16 AM To: Tim Docker Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org; Bulat Ziganshin Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Go parallel timd: Is it possible to use the forkIO primitive to cause pure computations to be evaluated in parallel threads? It seems to me that laziness would always prevent any

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Polymorphic (typeclass) values in a list?

2007-10-21 Thread Tim Docker
TJ: After all, sometimes all you need to know about a list is that all the elements support a common set of operations. If I'm implementing a 3d renderer for example, I'd like to have class Renderable a where render :: a - RasterImage scene :: Renderable a = [a] Everyone has launched

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Polymorphic (typeclass) values in a list?

2007-10-21 Thread Tim Docker
TJ: Ah... indeed it can, in this case. It won't work if class Renderable also has a method for saving to file, etc, I suppose, unless scene :: [(RasterImage,IO (),...whatever other operations...)] In this case I would generally create a record: data Renderable = Renderable { image ::

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Pixel plotter

2007-10-14 Thread Tim Docker
Andrew Coppin: As far as I know, all of this is *possible* with Gtk2hs right now - it's just vastly more complex than making a single function call. So what I'd like to do is write a small library which will enable me to do each of the above tasks in 1 function call. However, I'm getting

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: binary 0.4: high performance, pure binary parsing and serialisation

2007-10-08 Thread Tim Docker
don: The main thing is porting to ghc 6.8 -- which means the new (*faster*) lazy bytestring representation, and the smp parallel quickcheck driver for the testsuite (it'll use N cores, watch the jobs migrate around). Great news... Thanks for the collective work on this. I'm looking forward to

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Vital for real Haskell?

2007-09-13 Thread Tim Docker
Pivotal was/is Vital's successor: http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/projects/pivotal/ However, it's not clear from the website how alive the project is. I'd love to see a robust implementation of something like this. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Knuth Morris Pratt for Lazy Bytestrings implementation

2007-07-31 Thread Tim Docker
Now I wonder what that 7MB file might be? :-) We (team TNT) implemented KMP over lazy bytestrings as part of our icfp 2007 contest entry. As I remember, for the DNA evaluator it gave modest speed improvements over more naïve searching. Our implementation was based upon this blog post:

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Tools for Haskell and COM

2007-06-27 Thread Tim Docker
Alistair Bayley wrote: I want to interface Takusen with MS Sql Server, but AFAICT the recommended C API is OLE DB, which is a COM API. An alternative would be to write a takusen - freetds binding (http://www.freetds.org/). This would have the potential benefits of being * cross platform

[Haskell-cafe] teaming up for the IFCP contest

2007-05-29 Thread Tim Docker
I've put aside the weekend of July 20-23 for the ICFP contest (http:// www.icfpcontest.org/), and am looking to form or join a haskell wielding team. Any interest? Geographically I'm in Sydney, but have entered in a previous year with a team of 3 from around the globe which worked fine.

RE: [Haskell-cafe] type class question

2007-05-22 Thread Tim Docker
: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 10:11 PM To: Tim Docker Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] type class question On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Docker wrote: I think this must almost be a FAQ, or at least a PAQ (Previously AQ)... I think it too, thus I added your case to the Wiki: http

[Haskell-cafe] type class question

2007-05-21 Thread Tim Docker
I think this must almost be a FAQ, or at least a PAQ (Previously AQ)... If I have a type class for conversion to a type X: class XType a where toX :: a - X I can define instances for instance XType Int where toX = ... instance XType Double where toX = ...

RE: [Haskell-cafe] type class question

2007-05-21 Thread Tim Docker
Derek Elkins wrote: I believe there is a trick where essentially you end up with, instance IsChar a = XType [a] where ... That is simple enough, and works fine. Thanks! Tim ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Is Excel a FP language?

2007-05-06 Thread Tim Docker
The pivotal project: http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/projects/pivotal/ is more or less what you are referring to (ie an interactive environment where haskell is the evaluation language), though it doesn't have the exact GUI of a spreadsheet. Tim From: [EMAIL

RE: [Haskell-cafe] COM and Haskell

2007-04-19 Thread Tim Docker
There are also equivalent libraries (for producing xls files without excel) for python: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyexcelerator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyxlwriter/ perl: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Spreadsheet-WriteExcel/ so you don't have to use java... Tim -Original

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Plotting in Haskell

2007-02-27 Thread Tim Docker
Chirs Witte wrote: Are there any good libraries for drawing plots (2D and 3D) in Haskell (under Windows using GHC)? Dons has already mentioned my charting library: http://dockerz.net/software/chart.html This is 2D only for now. good depends your perspective :-) It is (intended to be)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: OO Design in Haskell Example (Draft)

2007-02-26 Thread Tim Docker
Steve Downey wrote: interesting. it leads to something that feels much more like an object based, as opposed to a class based, system. as far as haskell is concerned, everything has the same type, even though different instances have very different behavior. the question is, which plays

RE: [Haskell-cafe] OO Design in Haskell Example (Draft)

2007-02-25 Thread Tim Docker
Steve Downey wrote: So, I've been working on a Composite example. I've used existential types to have a generic proxy to the base type, rather than a simple algebraic type, since adding new leaves to the algebraic type means modifying the whole type, a violation of the Open-Closed

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Strings in Haskell

2007-01-23 Thread Tim Docker
Alexy Khabrov wrote: I wonder if that's another reason OCaml is used in a(t least one) hedge fund -- why Jane St. preferred OCaml to Haskell, I wonder? Was it the state of affairs then that OCaml was more efficient (? -- WAGuess), and would they prefer Haskell now? Ocaml definitely

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Tim Docker
afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? One point in wxHaskell's favour is that it supports Mac OS X directly. At present, to the best of my knowledge, you can only run GtkHs applications on OS X using

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Comma in the front

2006-07-13 Thread Tim Docker
On Jul 12, 2006, at 9:18 PM, Joel Reymont wrote: Are cool kids supposed to put the comma in front like this? , foo , bar , baz Is this for historical or other reasons because Emacs formats Haskell code well enough regardless. Thanks, Joel These layouts feel a bit artificial to

[Haskell] ANN: A Haskell Charting Library

2006-05-14 Thread Tim Docker
I'm making available the current state of my 2D charting library for haskell. It's still at quite an early stage, but may prove useful. At present it has: - line charts, points charts, fills, and combinations. - Automatic layout sizing and adjustment. - Auto scaling of axis

RE: [Haskell] Haskell as a disruptive technology?

2006-03-27 Thread Tim Docker
Robert Dockins wrote: All we have to do is be ready for it when it arrives. When people see that, using Haskell, they can write programs using 1) fewer man-hours with 2) fewer bugs which 3) scale effortlessly to highly parallel hardware to beat the pants off C/C++/Java/what-have- you,

[Haskell-cafe] embedded interpreters

2005-04-20 Thread Tim Docker
[I've asked this question on lambda-the-ultimate, but it remained unanswered, and it's probably more appropriate here in any case] The papers referenced here: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/552 describe a means of projecting values in an implementation language to and from

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Point-free style

2005-02-13 Thread Tim Docker
Ketil Malde wrote: (.) . (.) .(.) I entered it into GHCi, and got :: forall a a b c a. (b - c) - (a - a - a - b) - a - a - a - c I spent a minute or so attempting to intuit the type signature of this, before cheating and entering it into ghci also.

RE: [Haskell] IO, exceptions and error handling

2004-06-14 Thread Tim Docker
Keith Wansbrough wrote: Read the paper _A Semantics for Imprecise Exceptions_. The problem is that the evaluation order of Haskell would have to be fixed for this not to lose referential transparency. What is the value of catchExcept (show (makeExcept E1 + makeExcept E2)) (\x - x)

RE: [Haskell] IO, exceptions and error handling

2004-06-14 Thread Tim Docker
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: The ability to fail doesn't need the do notation, just use of return for success - similar for propagating failure. I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean writing functions like: sqr x | x 0 = fail less than zero | otherwise = return (sqrt x) If

RE: [Haskell] IO, exceptions and error handling

2004-06-14 Thread Tim Docker
Keith Wansbrough wrote: s/fail/error/ s/return// Then you can easily write I can't (easily) write text c = sqr x + sqr (x+1) You just can't *catch* this outside the IO monad. Of course... that was my second alternative error strategy. I'm interest in how/when people decide

RE: ANNOUNCE: Release of Vital, an interactive visual programming environment for Haskell

2003-11-13 Thread Tim Docker
As a serious programmer, I'd be very happy to have a more graphical, more interactive programming experience as far as _output_ is concern. I'm happy to input textual expressions and definitions, but I'd like instant feedback and display of intermediate results as tables, graphs, trees, charts

RE: access to fields in nested records

2003-11-05 Thread Tim Docker
One thing that bugs me about the named record syntax, is that with a datatype: data T = T { t_f1 :: X, t_f2 :: X }; the function t_f1 has the type of an accessor, ie t_f1 :: T - X but there doesn't any tidy way to get at the mutator function t_f1' :: X - T - T without

RE: access to fields in nested records

2003-11-05 Thread Tim Docker
(Apologies for previous incomplete post: Here's the whole thing) One thing that bugs me about the named record syntax, is that with a datatype: data T = T { t_f1 :: X, t_f2 :: X }; the function t_f1 has the type of an accessor, ie t_f1 :: T - X but there doesn't any tidy way

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