Re: [OT] Teaching Haskell in High School (fwd)
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Rex Page wrote: This matches my experience, too. When I've taught Haskell to first year college students, there have always been some hard core hackers who've been at it in C or VB or Perl or something like that for years, and they rarely take kindly to Haskell. The ones without any programming background do better. I think Haskell would be great for a high school math class. They could learn some logic and induction along with it, and get a few proofs back into the high school math curriculum. Rex Page Actually, this doesn't match my experience. I teach first years too, and I always have some hard core hackers. In my experience, they have the advantage that they already understand notions such as a formal syntax and an algorithm, as opposed to expecting that the computer will somehow know what they mean. They also have something concrete to compare Haskell against ... which often leads them to become real Haskell enthusiasts! But then again, my course emphasises real programming and real-world problem solving, at the expense of logic and induction. John Hughes ___ Haskell mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
RE: [OT] Teaching Haskell in High School (fwd)
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, David Bergman wrote: Rex wrote: This matches my experience, too. When I've taught Haskell to first year college students, there have always been some hard core hackers who've been at it in C or VB or Perl or something like that for years, and they rarely take kindly to Haskell. The ones without any programming background do better. I think Haskell would be great for a high school math class. They could learn some logic and induction along with it, and get a few proofs back into the high school math curriculum. Rex Page I have always had that same experience with any (more or less) declarative language. BUT, as soon as the hackers (well, maybe not VB programmers, they are kind of doomed...) have passed the initial frustration, and acquired the new way of thinking, they actually perform much better than the real beginners. /David Yes, I've seen the same thing with some of the people who come in with experience. Some are lost, but a few of them really embrace the expressiveness of a language like Haskell. Rex -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 03:03:03 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jeltsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Haskell Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Teaching Haskell in High School On Tuesday, 2003-02-04, 01:01, CET, Hal Daume wrote: [...] However, I'm also well aware that Haskell is very difficult to learn (and, I'd imagine, to teach). Hi, I wouldn't claim that Haskell is very difficult to learn. I think, people often have problems with learning Haskell because they know imperative programming and try to apply their imperative thinking to programming in Haskell. Some months ago, a first year student told me that she liked Haskell very much and that she didn't find it very difficult. I asked her if she had had experiences with other programming languages before learning Haskell. She answered: No. [...] Wolfgang ___ Haskell mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell ___ Haskell mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell ___ Haskell mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [OT] Teaching Haskell in High School (fwd)
This matches my experience, too. When I've taught Haskell to first year college students, there have always been some hard core hackers who've been at it in C or VB or Perl or something like that for years, and they rarely take kindly to Haskell. The ones without any programming background do better. I think Haskell would be great for a high school math class. They could learn some logic and induction along with it, and get a few proofs back into the high school math curriculum. Rex Page -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 03:03:03 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jeltsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Haskell Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Teaching Haskell in High School On Tuesday, 2003-02-04, 01:01, CET, Hal Daume wrote: [...] However, I'm also well aware that Haskell is very difficult to learn (and, I'd imagine, to teach). Hi, I wouldn't claim that Haskell is very difficult to learn. I think, people often have problems with learning Haskell because they know imperative programming and try to apply their imperative thinking to programming in Haskell. Some months ago, a first year student told me that she liked Haskell very much and that she didn't find it very difficult. I asked her if she had had experiences with other programming languages before learning Haskell. She answered: No. [...] Wolfgang ___ Haskell mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell ___ Haskell mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
