Namespaces (was Re: GUI Library Task Force)

2001-10-10 Thread Hal Daume III
I think one important aspect of Java's java.foo.bar style has been overlooked: the semantics. sure, syntactivally, java.foo.bar and java_foo_bar; they're basically the same. the big issue (to me, at least) is that the Java compiler knows how to interpret the .s and will use them to navigate

Re: Namespaces (was Re: GUI Library Task Force)

2001-10-10 Thread Mark Carroll
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Hal Daume III wrote: (snip) least) is that the Java compiler knows how to interpret the .s and will use them to navigate directory structure. (snip) Yes, that's certainly an interesting idea. I'd like to fall short of mandating anything about location of source files in

Re: Namespaces (was Re: GUI Library Task Force)

2001-10-10 Thread Hal Daume III
So, barring this, I'm curious how other people handle this issue. I have multiple projects. Call them A, B, C. They are in directories: ~/projects/A ~/projects/B ~/projects/C repsectively. Say I'm creating a new project, D, in ~/projects/D that uses code that I've written in packages A,

Re: Namespaces (was Re: GUI Library Task Force)

2001-10-10 Thread John Meacham
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 03:29:03PM -0400, Hal Daume III wrote: So, barring this, I'm curious how other people handle this issue. I have multiple projects. Call them A, B, C. They are in directories: ~/projects/A ~/projects/B ~/projects/C repsectively. Say I'm creating a new

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-10-08 Thread Sengan
Manuel M. T. Chakravarty wrote: * After this, the main difference that remains is the representation of GUI components as a vanilla data type instead of opaque handles that do not make the structure of the components explicit in the types (like the TupLS does). From the paper, it

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-27 Thread Ketil Malde
Lennart Augustsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: S. Alexander Jacobson wrote: Great. So that is something that goes into some library conventions document. Java has a convention that libraries should have reverse domain name structure. Is that how we should use _? Yes, I think that could

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-27 Thread Simon Marlow
Great. So that is something that goes into some library conventions document. Such a document is here: http://www.haskell.org/~simonmar/libraries/libraries.html If there are comments on the design (which is by no means finalised), please take them to the libraries mailing list.

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-27 Thread Peter Achten
At 18:53 25-9-01 +1000, Manuel Chakravarty wrote: Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, | * Start from the API of GTK+ as a base line: That's fine by me. But can I suggest that the task force be sure to read the details of the Clean GUI library design. Peter Aachten (while

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-27 Thread Ian Lynagh
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:59:55PM +1000, Manuel M. T. Chakravarty wrote: Currently, there doesn't seem to be much interest in going for a completely new version of Haskell. The idea of adding addenda to H98 and so slowly and in incremental steps move to more functionality seems to be more

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-27 Thread Simon Marlow
I don't think this is compatible with things like adding support for the library hierarchy with multiple dots to Haskell 98 as you will then be able to write a program that is valid Haskell 98 by todays definition but not yesterdays. OTOH if what you mean is adding support incrementally to

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-27 Thread Manuel M. T. Chakravarty
Ian Lynagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:59:55PM +1000, Manuel M. T. Chakravarty wrote: Currently, there doesn't seem to be much interest in going for a completely new version of Haskell. The idea of adding addenda to H98 and so slowly and in incremental steps

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-26 Thread S. Alexander Jacobson
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Manuel M. T. Chakravarty wrote: Given that Haskell98 is not ready for libraries anyway, why are you so concerned about it? It isn't? Why? Because of the lack of hierachical name spaces? Then, C isn't ready for libraries either. As I posted in a prior thread: *

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-26 Thread Tim Sauerwein
S. Alexander Jacobson wrote: Haskell will not be production quality without concurrency. If concurreny allows for a cleaner API and easier to use library, then use it. BeOS had deep concurrency throughout and was a much better OS as a result. Its 2001, there is no reason I shouldn't be

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-26 Thread Lennart Augustsson
S. Alexander Jacobson wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Manuel M. T. Chakravarty wrote: Given that Haskell98 is not ready for libraries anyway, why are you so concerned about it? It isn't? Why? Because of the lack of hierachical name spaces? Then, C isn't ready for libraries either.

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-26 Thread S. Alexander Jacobson
Great. So that is something that goes into some library conventions document. Java has a convention that libraries should have reverse domain name structure. Is that how we should use _? -Alex- On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Lennart Augustsson wrote: S. Alexander Jacobson wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep

Re: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-26 Thread Lennart Augustsson
S. Alexander Jacobson wrote: Great. So that is something that goes into some library conventions document. Java has a convention that libraries should have reverse domain name structure. Is that how we should use _? Yes, I think that could be the way. And in addition there should be some

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-25 Thread Manuel M. T. Chakravarty
Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, | * Start from the API of GTK+ as a base line: That's fine by me. But can I suggest that the task force be sure to read the details of the Clean GUI library design. Peter Aachten (while visiting Cambridge) rendered a good chunk of it into

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-25 Thread S. Alexander Jacobson
Given that Haskell98 is not ready for libraries anyway, why are you so concerned about it? A GUI system without concurrency is still incomplete. The haskell library interface story is still pretty weak because there is no consensus about what monad they should expose (and whether they should

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-25 Thread Ashley Yakeley
At 2001-09-25 01:53, Manuel M. T. Chakravarty wrote: * I am not a big fan of introducing an extra monad (`GUI' in this case). It can easily become a pain in programs that do a lot of normal IO as you have to lift all IO functions to GUI. Heh. I had to do this for JVM-Bridge because all

RE: GUI Library Task Force

2001-09-24 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
| *** The GUI Library Task Force Strategy Proposal *** Great! | * Start from the API of GTK+ as a base line: That's fine by me. But can I suggest that the task force be sure to read the details of the Clean GUI library design. Peter Aachten (while visiting Cambridge) rendered a good