Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread wren ng thornton
On 5/16/12 7:43 AM, Yves Parès wrote: On the one hand, characterizing those who desire the best performance possible as simple-minded is, at best, a gross over-generalization. Like you, I work in a field where optimization is king (e.g., in machine translation, program runtimes are measured in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread Ertugrul Söylemez
wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org wrote: However, while the logical interpretation of Ertugrul's words may be that simple-mindedness implies performance-desire, that interpretation is not the only one available to the standard interpretation of his words, nor IMO the dominant interpretation.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread wren ng thornton
On 5/16/12 3:57 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote: Comparing languages is a highly non-trivial matter involving various disciplines (including various squidgy ones) and rarely makes sense without a very specific context for comparison. Exactly. That's what I was trying to get at re the problems of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread wren ng thornton
On 5/18/12 7:45 AM, Roman Werpachowski wrote: On Fri, 18 May 2012 15:30:09 +1200, Richard O'Keefeo...@cs.otago.ac.nz wrote: The claim was and remains solely that THE TIME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN *ALGORITHMS* can be bigger than THE TIME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN *LANGUAGES* and is in this particular

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread wren ng thornton
On 5/16/12 4:37 PM, Gregg Lebovitz wrote: 1) Outstanding best practices documents that capture this knowledge and provides useful answers. Organizing this information in an online document that can be searched by keyword or index would be really helpful. The hard part will be maintaining it. As

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread Paolino
Hello, I would like to add questions to yours. I'm not sure that C++ programs are same performance as C actually, so I can have a bad logic. How much is hard to port a haskell program to C ? If it will become harder and harder, (i.e. for parallelizations) than it's fair to choose haskell for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread Roman Werpachowski
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:57:38 +0200 From: Ertugrul S?ylemez e...@ertes.de Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++? To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Message-ID: 20120519085738.37548...@tritium.streitmacht.eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Haskell delivers

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread Janis Voigtländer
Am 19.05.2012 12:00, schrieb wren ng thornton: Exactly. That's what I was trying to get at re the problems of comparing Haskell to C++ (or indeed any pair of dissimilar languages). A legitimate comparison will involve far more than microbenchmarks, but then a legitimate comparison must always

[Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: time-lens-0.1

2012-05-19 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
I'm happy to announce the first, experimental version of the time-lens library. http://hackage.haskell.org/package/time-lens https://github.com/feuerbach/time-lens Its goal is to simplify working with time and date data structures in Haskell by providing lens-based overloaded accessors for

[Haskell-cafe] Protocol Buffers 2.0.7

2012-05-19 Thread Chris Kuklewicz
I have returned from the shadows of the intenet to maintain some packages! Version 2.0.7 of protocol-buffers (3 packages) has been uploaded to hackage. This makes it compile with ghc-7.4.1 and handle missing package names better. Thanks to everyone who sent email and patches, including Nathan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-19 Thread Isaac Gouy
From: wren ng thornton w...@freegeek.org Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++? -snip- Fair in what sense? That is, what _exactly_ are you hoping to compare? If the goal is to benchmark the implementation of the runtime, VM, or

[Haskell-cafe] Is protocol-buffers package maintainer reachable?

2012-05-19 Thread Chris Kuklewicz
To those looking for me: I live! And I got reminded to get back in touch via http://www.well-typed.com/blog/66 (kudos to them!). protocol-buffers is updated, now on to regex-* ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] cool tools

2012-05-19 Thread Simon Michael
Well said! ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe