Re: [Haskell-cafe] PSA: do not install xcode 5 if you are using ghc 7.6

2013-09-23 Thread Edsko de Vries
Just to add to Carter's message: if you happened to install Xcode 5 anyway, then realized your mistake and uninstalled it and installed Xcode 4 again, you will STILL have the command line tools that came with Xcode 5 and your Haskell toolchain will STILL be broken -- and so far I have been unable

Re: [Haskell-cafe] PSA: do not install xcode 5 if you are using ghc 7.6

2013-09-20 Thread Adam Foltzer
Hi Carter, Thanks for this heads up! Many of us here are cutting edge Mac users, and would have been bitten by this. Darin and I plan to spend some time next month preparing an unofficial patched version of ghc 7.6 that should play nice with clang / xcode 5, though at such a time ghc 7.8 will

Re: [Haskell-cafe] PSA: do not install xcode 5 if you are using ghc 7.6

2013-09-20 Thread Carter Schonwald
glad to help. an alternative for the discerning power user is to install a recent version of gcc locally (eg 4.8), and build 7.6.3 with that! (or just repoint your ghc settings file to a locally built version of real gcc.) yes, assuming we have the time (after all, it's all volunteer time), that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] PSA: do not install xcode 5 if you are using ghc 7.6

2013-09-17 Thread Obscaenvs
Wow, thank you for the heads up! f Le 2013-09-17 05:16, Carter Schonwald a écrit : Hey everyone, if you are actively using ghc 7.6 on your mac, for now please do not install xcode 5. It will break your ghc install, because 7.6 doesn't know how to correctly use Clang for the CPP work.

[Haskell-cafe] PSA: do not install xcode 5 if you are using ghc 7.6

2013-09-16 Thread Carter Schonwald
Hey everyone, if you are actively using ghc 7.6 on your mac, for now please do not install xcode 5. It will break your ghc install, because 7.6 doesn't know how to correctly use Clang for the CPP work. (ghc head / and thus 7.8 will work fine with xcode 5, thanks to some outstanding work by

Re: [Haskell-cafe] how do i get cabal to reinstall dependencies with profiling enabled?

2013-04-18 Thread Krzysztof Skrzętnicki
Another option: use cabal-dev with --enable-library-profiling. It should do the trick. Best regards, Krzysztof Skrzętnicki On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Anatoly Yakovenko aeyakove...@gmail.comwrote: ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

[Haskell-cafe] how do i get cabal to reinstall dependencies with profiling enabled?

2013-04-17 Thread Anatoly Yakovenko
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] how do i get cabal to reinstall dependencies with profiling enabled?

2013-04-17 Thread Patrick Mylund Nielsen
My simple way is to move ~/.ghc (or ~/.ghc and ~/.cabal) somewhere else, then make (e.g. by running cabal update) or edit ~/.cabal/config to say library profiling, executable profiling and documentation: True, then run cabal install on one of my projects. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM,

[Haskell-cafe] How do I specify language literals in hsparql?

2012-10-21 Thread Andrew Pennebaker
If the raw SPARQL is rdfs:label D (programming language)@en, what would the hsparql http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hsparql syntax be? The docshttps://github.com/robstewart57/hsparql/blob/master/tests/DBPedia.hs don't include any language literal examples. -- Cheers, Andrew Pennebaker

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I specify language literals in hsparql?

2012-10-21 Thread Antoine Latter
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Pennebaker andrew.penneba...@gmail.com wrote: If the raw SPARQL is rdfs:label D (programming language)@en, what would the hsparql syntax be? The docs don't include any language literal examples. Have you emailed the maintainer of the package? Not all

[Haskell-cafe] How do I generate random numbers using random-fu, with platform-agnostic code?

2012-09-13 Thread Andrew Pennebaker
I can't figure out how to use Data.Random.Source.IO to generate random numbers in a multiplatform way. I can generate random numbers in Unix using Data.Random.Source.DevRandom, and there is an example in the GitHub documentation for Windows using Data.Random.Source.MWC, but there is no example

Re: [Haskell-cafe] why do I need class context in declaring data constructor?

2012-08-31 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
Cafe | Subject: [Haskell-cafe] why do I need class context in declaring data | constructor? | | I had a toy program that encodes simply typed lambda in types. It used | to work fine with GHC prior to 7.2. But now it no longer compiles. | Here is a minimal fragment that demonstrates this problem

Re: [Haskell-cafe] why do I need class context in declaring data constructor?

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Liu
: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe- | boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Paul Liu | Sent: 30 August 2012 20:52 | To: Haskell Cafe | Subject: [Haskell-cafe] why do I need class context in declaring data | constructor? | | I had a toy program that encodes simply typed lambda

[Haskell-cafe] why do I need class context in declaring data constructor?

2012-08-30 Thread Paul Liu
I had a toy program that encodes simply typed lambda in types. It used to work fine with GHC prior to 7.2. But now it no longer compiles. Here is a minimal fragment that demonstrates this problem. {-# LANGUAGE GADTs, MultiParamTypeClasses, FlexibleInstances, FlexibleContexts #-}

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I marshall a pointer over SendMessage LPARAM or WPARAM?

2012-07-22 Thread Simon Peter Nicholls
Sorry Yuras, I missed this. It turns out that I made a mistake when trying to pinpoint my problem. I had started out using WM_COPY_DATA and COPYDATASTRUCT, but upon facing issues, tried simple sending of a C string and a WM_APP message. However, that simplifying resulted in me losing the memory

[Haskell-cafe] How do I marshall a pointer over SendMessage LPARAM or WPARAM?

2012-07-18 Thread Simon Peter Nicholls
Cross-posted from Haskell-beginners. Apologies for not posting in the right place (though I am a beginner and have probably made a simpleton error). I'm new to Haskell, and have had some good success with FFI so far, but using Win32's sendMessage to send a pointer in LPARAM or WPARAM is resulting

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I marshall a pointer over SendMessage LPARAM or WPARAM?

2012-07-18 Thread Yuras Shumovich
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 18:22 +0200, Simon Peter Nicholls wrote: Some sending code: Foreign.C.String.withCWString frustrator $ \s - do let wParam = System.Win32.Types.castPtrToUINT s :: System.Win32.Types.WPARAM Graphics.Win32.sendMessage wnd

[Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Ben Kolera
Saw this float by in twitter, and it made me a bit sad. Obviously this is still a large misunderstanding of FP in the larger programming community and it make me wonder what we FP enthusiasts are doing wrong to not get the message out to people. Programming languages that require random

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Ertugrul Söylemez
Ben Kolera ben.kol...@gmail.com wrote: Programming languages that require random senseless voodoo to get an effect are awesome. Let's make programming hard through poor design. [1] [...] Is it even worth trying to convince people so set in their ways? Someone saying something as stupid as

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Jonathan Geddes
I believe you are observing and commiserating over what Paul Graham famously refers to as the blub paradox[0]. Here is the problem from my perspective. It is a bootstrapping problem: you have to think FP is good to invest the time to learn it, but you have to invest a lot of time to learn it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread john melesky
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 05:59:57AM +1000, Ben Kolera wrote: Saw this float by in twitter, and it made me a bit sad. Obviously this is still a large misunderstanding of FP in the larger programming community and it make me wonder what we FP enthusiasts are doing wrong to not get the message out

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Christopher Done
On 18 June 2012 22:28, Ertugrul Söylemez e...@ertes.de wrote: You just have to live with the fact that there will always be a small percentage of retarded people.  It's best to just ignore them. Well, they're not stupid. Just very stubborn. Like most programmers. Stupid people can be taught to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Ertugrul Söylemez
Christopher Done chrisd...@googlemail.com wrote: You just have to live with the fact that there will always be a small percentage of retarded people.  It's best to just ignore them. Well, they're not stupid. Just very stubborn. Like most programmers. Stupid people can be taught to be

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Ben
just to add to the ridiculousness quotient of this conversation http://web.archive.org/web/20080406183542/http://www.lisperati.com/landoflisp/panel01.html (i don't know where to find this other than in the web archive.) ben On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Christopher Done wrote: On 18 June 2012

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Alexander Solla
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Jonathan Geddes geddes.jonat...@gmail.comwrote: I believe you are observing and commiserating over what Paul Graham famously refers to as the blub paradox[0]. Here is the problem from my perspective. It is a bootstrapping problem: you have to think FP is good

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Gregory Collins
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ertugrul Söylemez e...@ertes.de wrote: Indeed there is a line to be drawn here. However, I think I can fit both kinds of people under the adjective retarded. Off-topic: it would be even better to avoid using this ugly adjective to describe anyone, as it is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Gregory Collins g...@gregorycollins.netwrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ertugrul Söylemez e...@ertes.de wrote: Indeed there is a line to be drawn here. However, I think I can fit both kinds of people under the adjective retarded. Off-topic: it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do people still not understand what FP is about? What are we doing wrong?

2012-06-18 Thread Ben Kolera
Agreed, definitely out of context now that he has inadvertently cleared that up since this post. That thing that they say about jumping to assumptions … definitely well proven and in force today. Shouldn't be posting to mailing lists so early in the morning. :-/ To be clear though, this post

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-15 Thread Ryan Newton
I'm interested in mentoring any projects related to concurrent data structure implementation. Is it too late to propose new projects? http://parfunk.blogspot.com/2012/02/potential-gsoc-haskell-lock-free-data.html -Ryan On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Johan Tibell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-15 Thread Johan Tibell
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Ryan Newton rrnew...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in mentoring any projects related to concurrent data structure implementation.  Is it too late to propose new projects?  http://parfunk.blogspot.com/2012/02/potential-gsoc-haskell-lock-free-data.html Not

[Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-13 Thread Greg Weber
Other than changing the status myself, how do I get a priority attached to my GSoC proposal? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-13 Thread Johan Tibell
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Greg Weber g...@gregweber.info wrote: Other than changing the status myself, how do I get a priority attached to my GSoC proposal? What priorities are you referring to? -- Johan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-13 Thread Greg Weber
http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/summer-of-code/report/1 There is a column 'Priority'. And there are now several unrated proposals. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Greg Weber g...@gregweber.info wrote: Other than

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-13 Thread Thomas Schilling
It's usually the (potential) mentors who do the rating. I know we did that two years ago; can't remember last year, though. On 13 February 2012 23:45, Greg Weber g...@gregweber.info wrote: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/summer-of-code/report/1 There is a column 'Priority'. And there are now

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How do I get official feedback (ratings) on my GSoC proposal?

2012-02-13 Thread Johan Tibell
Yes. I rated some myself and left a motivation for my rating and waited for someone to disagree. :) In general I was just trying to help students out by pushing down proposals that (in my experience) where too hard to complete in a summer or that were too narrow to benefit a larger portion of the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-23 Thread Sebastian Fischer
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:25 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: The laws for monads only apply to actual values and combinators of the monad algebra You seem to argue that, even in a lazy language like Haskell, equational laws should be considered only for values, as if they where

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-23 Thread David Barbour
Thanks for the reference. I base my opinion on my own observations - e.g. the repeated failures of attempting to model stream processing with infinite lists, the relative success of modeling exceptions explicitly with monads compared to use of `fail` or SomeException, etc.. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-23 Thread Jake McArthur
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: the repeated failures of attempting to model stream processing with infinite lists, I'm curious about what failures you're talking about. - Jake ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-23 Thread David Barbour
Space leaks, time leaks, resource leaks, subtle divergence issues when filtering lists, etc. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Jake McArthur jake.mcart...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: the repeated failures of attempting to model

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-22 Thread Sebastian Fischer
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, I think the monad identity concept messed up. The property:   return x = f = f x Logically only has meaning when `=` applies to values in the domain. `undefined` is not a value in the domain. We can

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-22 Thread David Barbour
observably different from `undefined` If we understand `undefined` as meaning a computation that never ends, then you cannot ever observe whether one `undefined` is or is not equivalent to another. In strict languages, this is especially obvious. In any case, I don't accept a concept of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-22 Thread MigMit
Отправлено с iPad 22.01.2012, в 20:25, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com написал(а): Attempting to shoehorn `undefined` into your reasoning about domain algebras and models and monads is simply a mistake. No. Using the complete semantics — which includes bottoms aka undefined — is a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-22 Thread David Barbour
2012/1/22 MigMit miguelim...@yandex.ru Отправлено с iPad 22.01.2012, в 20:25, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com написал(а): Attempting to shoehorn `undefined` into your reasoning about domain algebras and models and monads is simply a mistake. No. Using the complete semantics — which

[Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Victor S. Miller
The do notation translates do {x - a;f} into a=(\x - f) However when we're working in the IO monad the semantics we want requires that the lambda expression be strict in its argument. So is this a special case for IO? If I wanted this behavior in other monads is there a way to specify

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread MigMit
On 21 Jan 2012, at 21:29, Victor S. Miller wrote: The do notation translates do {x - a;f} into a=(\x - f) However when we're working in the IO monad the semantics we want requires that the lambda expression be strict in its argument. So is this a special case for IO? If I wanted

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
* Victor S. Miller victorsmil...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 12:29:32-0500] The do notation translates do {x - a;f} into a=(\x - f) However when we're working in the IO monad the semantics we want requires that the lambda expression be strict in its argument. I'm not aware of any semantics

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Barbour
As noted, IO is not strict in the value x, only in the operation that generates x. However, should you desire strictness in a generic way, it would be trivial to model a transformer monad to provide it. E.g. data StrictT m a = StrictT (m a) runStrictT :: StrictT m a - m a runStrictT (StrictT

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Horne
On 21/01/2012 17:29, Victor S. Miller wrote: The do notation translates do {x- a;f} into a=(\x - f) However when we're working in the IO monad the semantics we want requires that the lambda expression be strict in its argument. So is this a special case for IO? If I wanted this behavior

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
* David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 10:01:00-0800] As noted, IO is not strict in the value x, only in the operation that generates x. However, should you desire strictness in a generic way, it would be trivial to model a transformer monad to provide it. Again, that wouldn't be a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Horne
On 21/01/2012 18:08, Steve Horne wrote: Even so, to see that strictness isn't the issue, imagine that (=) were rewritten using a unary executeActionAndExtractResult function. You could easily rewrite your lamba to contain this expression in place of x, without actually evaluating that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Barbour
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Roman Cheplyaka r...@ro-che.info wrote: * David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 10:01:00-0800] As noted, IO is not strict in the value x, only in the operation that generates x. However, should you desire strictness in a generic way, it would be

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Menendez
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Roman Cheplyaka r...@ro-che.info wrote: * David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 10:01:00-0800] As noted, IO is not strict in the value x, only in the operation that generates

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Barbour
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM, David Menendez d...@zednenem.com wrote: The Eval monad has the property: return undefined = const e = e. You can't write `const e` in the Eval monad. From what I can tell, your proposed monads do not. You can't write `const e` as my proposed monad,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
* David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 11:02:40-0800] On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM, David Menendez d...@zednenem.com wrote: The Eval monad has the property: return undefined = const e = e. You can't write `const e` in the Eval monad. Why not? ghci runEval $ return

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Barbour
Oops, I was misreading. You have `e` here as the next monad. In any case, I think the monad identity concept messed up. The property: return x = f = f x Logically only has meaning when `=` applies to values in the domain. `undefined` is not a value in the domain. We can define monads - which

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Barbour
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Roman Cheplyaka r...@ro-che.info wrote: * David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 11:02:40-0800] On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM, David Menendez d...@zednenem.com wrote: The Eval monad has the property: return undefined = const e = e. You

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Roman Cheplyaka
* David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com [2012-01-21 11:09:43-0800] Logically only has meaning when `=` applies to values in the domain. `undefined` is not a value in the domain. We can define monads - which meet monad laws - even in strict languages. In strict languages 'undefined' is not a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread Yves Parès
(StrictT op) = f = StrictT (op = \ x - x `seq` runStrictT (f x)) Are you sure? Here you evaluate the result, and not the computation itself. Wouldn't it be: (StrictT op) = f = op ` seq` StrictT (op = \x - runStrictT (f x)) ?? 2012/1/21 David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com On Sat, Jan 21, 2012

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Monads, do and strictness

2012-01-21 Thread David Barbour
Evaluating the argument/result was my intention. Evaluating the computation itself might be useful in some cases, though. Regards, Dave On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Yves Parès yves.pa...@gmail.com wrote: (StrictT op) = f = StrictT (op = \ x - x `seq` runStrictT (f x)) Are you sure?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Lentczner
On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? No. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-12-05 Thread Daniel Fischer
On Monday 05 December 2011, 17:03:35, Mark Lentczner wrote: On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? No. I thought it was dead. Since it isn't: also no. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-12-01 Thread Paulo J. Matos
Yes On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-12-01 Thread Clark Gaebel
Yes. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Paulo J. Matos pa...@matos-sorge.comwrote: Yes On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-27 Thread edgar klerks
Yes and I like that one. :D On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Liyang HU haskell@liyang.hu wrote: On 25 November 2011 17:28, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html Uh. W...T...F...??? Do I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
Yes On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. -- Heath Matlock +1 256 274 4225 ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-26 Thread serialhex
i wouldn't mind a cool mascot, so yes hex -- * my blog is cooler than yours: http://serialhex.github.com * The wise man said: Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. * As a programmer, it is your job to put yourself out of business. What you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Liyang HU
heathmatlock heathmatlock at gmail.com writes: Question: Do you want a mascot?  Yes And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html /Liyang ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
On 25 November 2011 19:13, Liyang HU haskell@liyang.hu wrote: heathmatlock heathmatlock at gmail.com writes: Question: Do you want a mascot? Yes And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html Uh. W...T...F...??? Do I want to know what's going on there? :p

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Liyang HU
On 25 November 2011 17:28, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html Uh. W...T...F...??? Do I want to know what's going on there? :p It's called Reduce! λ Girl, a parody of Invade! Squid Girl.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Daniel Fischer
On Friday 25 November 2011, 09:28:29, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: On 25 November 2011 19:13, Liyang HU haskell@liyang.hu wrote: heathmatlock heathmatlock at gmail.com writes: Question: Do you want a mascot? Yes And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread Yves Parès
Yes. 2011/11/24 Colin Adams colinpaulad...@gmail.com No. On 23 November 2011 19:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
No. Am Mittwoch, den 23.11.2011, 13:11 -0600 schrieb heathmatlock: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-24 Thread David Virebayre
2011/11/23 Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com: 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep track of the results) Not that I care that much about a mascot (I like the lamb though), but a few threads about it hardly counts for a flooding. Besides, a good email

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread Victor Nazarov
I have the same position. want a good mascot... Count this as yes. 2011/11/23 Gábor Lehel illiss...@gmail.com: I don't want a bad mascot. I do want a good mascot. If you must count me down for one side or the other, count this as a yes. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, heathmatlock

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-24 Thread Ketil Malde
David Virebayre dav.vire+hask...@gmail.com writes: Also, this is café, right ? Aren't people subscribed to this list supposed to expect a broad range of topics ? I don't mind a broad range of topics, but using it to collect polls is IMHO abusing it. I guess I can dust off the killfiling

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread philipp siegmantel
@Wolfgang Jeltsch: I'm sorry, that was indeed my intension. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread philipp siegmantel
And also: Yes! (sorry for double post) On 24 November 2011 20:51, philipp siegmantel philipp.siegman...@googlemail.com wrote: @Wolfgang Jeltsch: I'm sorry, that was indeed my intension. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

[Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
No On 24 November 2011 06:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread MigMit
No On 23 Nov 2011, at 23:11, heathmatlock wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Scott Lawrence
No -- Scott Lawrence ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread José Pedro Magalhães
Yes On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 19:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Alexander Bernauer
Yes PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Gábor Lehel
I don't want a bad mascot. I do want a good mascot. If you must count me down for one side or the other, count this as a yes. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Thomas Davie
Yes Reasoning: Haskell has the image of being unfriendly, assenine, filled with crazy symbols, and the dreaded MATHS! A mascot would say you know what, this is fun! if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; } On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:40, Alexander Bernauer wrote: Yes PS: Why not using

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer alex-hask...@copton.net wrote: Yes PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll? Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice. -- Heath Matlock +1 256 274 4225 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Alejandro Serrano Mena
Yes 2011/11/23 heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer alex-hask...@copton.net wrote: Yes PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll? Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice. -- Heath Matlock +1 256 274 4225

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Paul R
Yes If some people don't like it, they won't use it. I doubt it will find its way in highly technical haskell core team, but it could appear for fun here and there in web material. For example, I think we could have 3 variants of it, reflecting the haskell level (beginner, confirmed, guru).

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Karol Samborski
2011/11/23 heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
{^_^} ||| 2011/11/23 Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com Yes 2011/11/23 heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer alex-hask...@copton.net wrote: Yes PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll? Email is an easy way to make sure

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:52 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer alex-hask...@copton.net wrote: Yes PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll? Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice. 1. It's unlikely to get

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread Krzysztof Skrzętnicki
I second this. One way is to use Forms from Google Docs. 1. They have been used with success before for similar pools 2. Can provide more elaborate questions 3. Automatically put results into a spreadsheet, which is useful 4. Protect against double-voters (sort of) 5. No spam Best regards,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
heathmatlock wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? No. I also really think this poll should have been in a web site somewhere and not on this list. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote: 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep track of the results) 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Conrad Parker
I wouldn't mind getting a lamb-astronaut tshirt with a lambda-bind logo on it for my kid, and maybe next month a lion-skateboarder with a lambda-bind on his deck, and then maybe something with a dinosaur. I guess I don't really want a mascot either, but I like this artwork. Conrad. On 24

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
I closed the poll, it's showing 51% no and 50% yes, 129 to 128 respectively. I also found out you can vote as many times as you want without restriction, with no IP logging whatsoever. This is why I don't like putting polls on places where users regularly use anonymity for their own agendas, e.g.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Before sleeping, I would like to point out as of right now there are 12 up votes and 5 down votes, 70% yes and 30% no for the topic on Reddit. It doesn't necessarily reflect the view on the question being posed, but it seems about right from my discussions. With that, I will try to refrain from

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Jeroen Weijers
Yes 2011/11/24 Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org: I wouldn't mind getting a lamb-astronaut tshirt with a lambda-bind logo on it for my kid, and maybe next month a lion-skateboarder with a lambda-bind on his deck, and then maybe something with a dinosaur. I guess I don't really want a mascot

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Colin Adams
No. On 23 November 2011 19:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Do you want a mascot? Answers: Yes No -- This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

[Haskell-cafe] How do you describe systems in general with Haskell?

2011-11-05 Thread Grigory Sarnitskiy
If you are to describe a system, which consists of several subsystems, how do you approach the problem? What types, classes, functions whatever do you introduce? I guess it is a common problem, is there a general method? Just to describe, not to solve (though if the description implies the

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