Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Peter Verswyvelen
Looks good! I liked relational algebra much much more than SQL, so I'll certainly have to look into that. Thanks, Peter Justin Bailey wrote: I can speak to haskelldb a little, see below: On Jan 2, 2008 3:50 AM, Peter Verswyvelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ·regarding Haskell and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Peter Verswyvelen wrote: Looks good! I liked relational algebra much much more than SQL, so I'll certainly have to look into that. I agree. I have not tried haskelldb yet, but I would like to. My impression from some previous posts is that because of the high-level approach, it is difficult

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Peter Verswyvelen
Yitz wrote: My impression from some previous posts is that because of the high-level approach, it is difficult to control the precise SQL that is generated. In practice, you almost always have to do some tweaking that is at least DB-dependent, and often application dependent. Can't the same

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Lihn, Steve
things are optimized. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Verswyvelen Subject: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization Yitz wrote: My impression from some previous posts is that because of the high-level

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I wrote: ... to control the precise SQL that is generated. In practice, you almost always have to do some tweaking that is at least DB-dependent, and often application dependent. Peter Verswyvelen wrote: Can't the same be said regarding SQL itself? It sometimes needs tweaking. That's the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Lihn, Steve wrote: For small queries, it does not matter much which approach you choose. But for large, complex queries, such 3-table join (especial Star Transformation) and/or large data set (millions of rows involved in large data warehouses), the performance will differ by order of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-03 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Jan 3, 2008, at 16:32 , Peter Verswyvelen wrote: I see. But ouch, exactly the same could be said for Haskell no? :) Optimization by quasirandom insertion of bangs / seq? Already there :) -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] [EMAIL PROTECTED] system administrator

[Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-02 Thread Peter Verswyvelen
As I'm a selfmade man, I never really studied relational databases in detail. My intuition told me that the relational part was not really suitable for the 3D data, 2D images, animation curves, state machines, and other data I encountered in the videogame and animation business. I could always get

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-02 Thread Salvatore Insalaco
·regarding Haskell and databases, the page http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Libraries_and_tools/Database_interfaces describes a few, but which are the ones that are stable and practical? Any user experiences? During my experiments I found Takusen (http://darcs.haskell.org/takusen/) and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-02 Thread Cristian Baboi
I recommend you read Extending the database relational model to capture more meaning by E.F. Codd. On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:50:46 +0200, Peter Verswyvelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I'm a selfmade man, I never really studied relational databases in detail. My intuition told me that the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-02 Thread Steve Lihn
I have started documenting the Database Wikibook, in particular, about HDBC. It is still very rough at this time, but something is better than nothing :-) If you want to add more content, certainly welcome! http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Database On 1/2/08, Jeff Polakow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Consensus about databases / serialization

2008-01-02 Thread Justin Bailey
I can speak to haskelldb a little, see below: On Jan 2, 2008 3:50 AM, Peter Verswyvelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ·regarding Haskell and databases, the page http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Libraries_and_tools/Database_interfaces describes a few, but which are the ones that are stable and