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> From: "Benjamin L. Russell"
> Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell for children? Any experience?
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Chris Smith wrote:
Manuel,
Wow, that gloss package is really cool, and exactly the sort of thing I
was looking for. As I've said before, I don't think I can prevent this
from becoming about how to write games eventually. Gloss looks like
provides a nice way to approach graphics programming in
Jason wrote:
I remember when
I was a kid, I wanted to be able to write things to disk so badly (I
have no idea why), but to me that was what 'real' programming was all
about.
Actually, that reminds me of one of my motivations for programming when
I first started programming (in N80-BASIC on an
Manuel,
Wow, that gloss package is really cool, and exactly the sort of thing I
was looking for. As I've said before, I don't think I can prevent this
from becoming about how to write games eventually. Gloss looks like
provides a nice way to approach graphics programming in a simple
functional s
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:28 AM, aditya siram wrote:
> Ye gods! A B & D [1] language for kids? At least give them a fighting
> chance [2] at becoming future developers.
>
> Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
> takes a great deal of up-front patience and persever
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On 1/30/11 00:24 , Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote:
> Isn't there already a body of evidence that people who've never been exposed
> to procedural languages find functional programming to be much more natural?
Also worth pointing out is that kids get ma
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On 1/27/11 10:28 , aditya siram wrote:
> Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
> takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance, two very
> rare qualities in that demographic if my own childhood is any
> indic
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On 1/27/11 10:26 , Stephen Tetley wrote:
> John Peterson had some nice work using Haskore and Fran for elementary
> teaching on the old Haskell.org website. Google's cache says the old
> URL was here but its now vanished:
>
> www.haskell.org/edsl/camp
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
> Jason, thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, I probably won't do blogs
> about it. Hate to say it, but anyone who has read much outside of
> /r/haskell will surely agree it's irresponsible to write about children on
> Reddit. And things I
Jason, thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, I probably won't do blogs
about it. Hate to say it, but anyone who has read much outside of
/r/haskell will surely agree it's irresponsible to write about children on
Reddit. And things I write on my blog are likely to end up on Reddit.
I'll find s
Chris Smith schrieb:
> On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 11:44 -0600, aditya siram wrote:
>> I was a little negative in my last message so maybe I can contribute
>> something positive. If you're looking for a musical way to teach
>> Haskell I did a Haskell music hackathon [1] about a year and a half
>> ago. T
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Chris Smith wrote:
> Like I said in the original post, my initial
> reaction was to push for something like Python. But the kids are very
> clear; if I'm at all willing, they want to learn Haskell!
IMO the most important facet of education is motivation, which
I think this is a wonderful idea! Fer land sakes, I remember when kids were
taught BASIC or Fortran! I think Haskell will be a great improvement.
Now, how'z'bout web sites? Kids love web sites, yes? I've been working on a
small project, in quiet mode, to develop an "all in the web browser"
deve
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 08:22 +, Stephen Tetley wrote:
> Note that Haskore-vintage and Henning's Haskore are now quite
> different. From the date I'd assume John Peterson's slides would have
> been using "vintage" Haskore (at the time it wouldn't have been called
> vintage, of course).
Awesome!
On 28 January 2011 01:23, Chris Smith wrote:
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> I did look at Haskore, and there's a lot to like about it; but also a
> lot to worry about. The documentation talks about it only being able to
> do synthesis on Linux (but that documentation seems to be old; I wonder
> if this is still true
Hi all,
I've had good luck with Haskore as a way to bring kids into functional
programming. It's nice in that you can get a lot done in just 2 or 3 hours.
Lately I've switched over to a 3D game engine using FRP to make the programming
simple. I've been running a summer camp
(https://www.wes
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 09:28 -0600, aditya siram wrote:
> Ye gods! A B & D [1] language for kids?
I do share those concerns. Like I said in the original post, my initial
reaction was to push for something like Python. But the kids are very
clear; if I'm at all willing, they want to learn Haskell!
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 11:44 -0600, aditya siram wrote:
> I was a little negative in my last message so maybe I can contribute
> something positive. If you're looking for a musical way to teach
> Haskell I did a Haskell music hackathon [1] about a year and a half
> ago. The idea was to use Haskell
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 16:40 +0100, klondike wrote:
> Two days ago I was referred to this project:
> http://wizbang.sourceforge.net/WizBang/WizBang.html The language is
> quite imperative but to me looks as a child friendly programming
> language due to its low complexity.
Thanks for this and other
> Ye gods! A B & D [1] language for kids? At least give them a fighting
> chance [2] at becoming future developers.
>
> Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
> takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance, two very
> rare qualities in that demographic if
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:26:01 +0100, Stephen Tetley
wrote:
On 27 January 2011 15:04, Chris Smith wrote:
[SNIP]
I'm wondering if anyone has
experience in anything similar that they might share with me. I'm
trying to decide if this is feasible, or it I should try to do something
different.
Hi Chris,
I was a little negative in my last message so maybe I can contribute
something positive. If you're looking for a musical way to teach
Haskell I did a Haskell music hackathon [1] about a year and a half
ago. The idea was to use Haskell [2] to play music through a
Supercollider music serve
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 15:26 +, Stephen Tetley wrote:
> John Peterson had some nice work using Haskore and Fran for elementary
> teaching on the old Haskell.org website. Google's cache says the old
> URL was here but its now vanished:
>
> www.haskell.org/edsl/campy/campy-2003-music.ppt
That so
Hi,
I'm also curious about this. Is a pure programming style like
Haskell's less or more natural than an imperative mutable-state based
one to kids without experience. I intuitively expect that for kids
with a high-school background in mathematics would find the first more
natural, but this is not
Hi,
You said "Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance[...]"
I guess it is true for imperative programmers... but are you saying
that about kids that just know how to use a calculator?
Cheers,
Thu
2011/1/27 a
El 27/01/11 16:04, Chris Smith escribió:
> To be honest, as much as I love Haskell, I tried to push the idea of
> learning a different language; perhaps Python. So far, the kids will
> have none of it! This year, I've been teaching a once-a-week
> exploratory mathematics sort of thing, and we've
Ye gods! A B & D [1] language for kids? At least give them a fighting
chance [2] at becoming future developers.
Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance, two very
rare qualities in that demographic if my own chi
On 27 January 2011 15:04, Chris Smith wrote:
[SNIP]
> I'm wondering if anyone has
> experience in anything similar that they might share with me. I'm
> trying to decide if this is feasible, or it I should try to do something
> different.
Hi Chris
John Peterson had some nice work using Haskore a
So I find myself being asked to plan Haskell programming classes for one
hour, once a week, from September through May this coming school year.
The students will be ages 11 to 13. I'm wondering if anyone has
experience in anything similar that they might share with me. I'm
trying to decide if thi
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